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What Really Happened on 9/11?

 
 
Ticomaya
 
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Mon 26 Sep, 2005 03:14 pm
There used to be a poster at A2K by the name of "Rafick." And Rafick had a lot of ideas that were very similar to Zippo's. (Who could forget this thread.) Now, Zippo's lastest post is eerily similar to a posting made at talkleft.com on June 14, 2003, by one ... Rafeek Shabaz. LINK

"Rafick" <---> "Rafeeek"

Coincidence? .... I think not. I think we all know what this means: Bush (aka "Wolfowitz," aka "Rove") must be planning on causing an earthquake in San Francisco in the very near future.
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Ticomaya
 
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Mon 26 Sep, 2005 03:21 pm
Zippo wrote:
... and bush looks nothing like Wolfowitz.


Really?

Compare this picture from "conspiracyplanet.com":

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/funny%20report.jpg

... with this one:

http://www.station185.com/kronoson/kronosonic/assorted/bush_newman.jpg

Are you suggesting you don't see the resemblance?
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Bella Dea
 
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Mon 26 Sep, 2005 03:23 pm
I didn't take the 10 minutes to read your post, but what does that have to do with mine?
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Zippo
 
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Mon 26 Sep, 2005 03:39 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
I didn't take the 10 minutes to read your post, but what does that have to do with mine?


Listen to Morgan Reynolds, and please dont make bad jokes.
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JPB
 
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Mon 26 Sep, 2005 03:53 pm
Oh man, DrewDad. Did you have to quote the entire first page again? My system shut down twice trying to load the page two crap (I have a very wise system, one that doesn't want me looking at this stuff). Now it wants to load both pages. That's IT!! I'm never going back to page 6 again!

Sorry Zippo, I guess I'll have to wait for the 20second version of this one two.

Amigo should be along shortly to help out, I'm sure.
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zippy-in-2005
 
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Mon 26 Sep, 2005 04:10 pm
I just want to note that this Zippo poster has nothing to do, whatsoever, with either Zippy or the Zippy-in-2005! campaign.
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therealzippy
 
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Mon 26 Sep, 2005 04:11 pm
Please ignore zippy-in-2005!, he's an imposter. But that Zippo fellow has nothing to do with me, either.
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Region Philbis
 
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Mon 26 Sep, 2005 04:22 pm
zippity-doodah...
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Amigo
 
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Wed 19 Oct, 2005 06:01 pm
See first post. (To other members; I am pulling this site up for somebody else)
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Ticomaya
 
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Sun 13 Nov, 2005 08:19 pm
I was just alerted to this comprehensive examination in the March 2005 Popular Mechanics that completely debunks the conspiracy claims of the unhinged.

LINK to Popular Mechanics article
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Acquiunk
 
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Sun 13 Nov, 2005 10:15 pm
Most of that information has been published elsewhere but it is nice to see it all in one place, easily referenced, thanks

I doubt this will have much effect on the lunatic fringe which has other agendas.
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Zippo
 
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Tue 15 Nov, 2005 08:35 am
Ticomaya wrote:
I was just alerted to this comprehensive examination in the March 2005 Popular Mechanics that completely debunks the conspiracy claims of the unhinged.

LINK to Popular Mechanics article
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Ticomaya
 
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Tue 15 Nov, 2005 09:05 am
Zippo: Here's a thread you might enjoy .... Kevin Bacon Linked to Al Qaeda
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joefromchicago
 
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Tue 15 Nov, 2005 09:20 am
Sounds like someone's tin foil hat has been a little too snug lately.

Zippo, I'm looking at you.
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Zippo
 
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Tue 15 Nov, 2005 11:14 am
Ticomaya, joefromchicago

Divert Attention -- Change the Subject

If you have nothing to say, distract them. Misdirect attention.

The old saying is, "Drag a Red Herring across the trail."
The Madison Avenue advertising gurus say, "If you have nothing to say, sing it."
Start talking about something else, anything else, where you at least can't lose because there isn't anything to lose. :wink:
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blueflame1
 
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Tue 15 Nov, 2005 12:24 pm
Zippo, great job. Millions of Americans believe Bushie was complicit in 911 so you aint alone by any means. Right now nearly 6 in 10 Americans say Bushie deliberately lied us into war. That's astounding. Last year who would have figured there'd be an enlightenment like that? Time is on your side but only because the government's story dont add up.
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blueflame1
 
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Tue 15 Nov, 2005 06:24 pm
Prominent Conservative Leader: Government in Hands of Psychopaths
May stage terror attacks

Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson | November 15 2005

Former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal and former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury Dr. Paul Craig Roberts expressed his dire warning that the US government has fallen into the hands of psychopaths and that the Neo-Cons in the Bush administration may be set to stage another terror attack in the US as part of a black operation to demolish growing dissent and coerce the public to rally behind the government once again.

During an interview with the Alex Jones Show, Roberts cited a Capitol Hill Blue article concerning a leaked memo circulating between top Republican leaders.

The memo outlines potential strategies to bring their agenda back online, including the capture of Osama bin Laden, a drastic turnaround in the economy or a resolution of the war in Iraq.

The most alarming option includes a terrorist attack that would validate the President's war on terror and "restore his image as leader of he American people."

This document adds to the mountainous pile of smoking gun evidence of government complicity in staged terror attacks and other false flag operations. It has now been declassified, as we already knew, that the Gulf of Tonkin never happened. It was staged to get us into Vietnam. Operation Northwoods was the official US government plan to carry out 9/11 style attacks against the American people and blame it on foreign enemies as a pretext for war.

Publicly published PNAC documents before 9/11 had saliva stains all over them as Dick Cheney and others talked about helpful Pearl Harbor attacks.

Roberts went further than he has ever gone before in stating that the Neo-Cons were worse than Hitler and Stalin because they publicly embrace torture and pre-emptive war, something that past despots at least tried to hide.

As the Senate bill to block torture is blocked by Bush and Cheney, the promotion of torture in official circles continues.

US National Security advisor Stephen Hadley refused to rule out torture in the case of an imminent attack, telling CNN's Late Edition that there are cases where the Bush administration's empty pledge not to torture would apply.

George Bush' repeated statements of "we do not torture" would certainly ring hollow to the thousands of disappeared individuals, now subject to God knows what in secret ex-Soviet gulag camps all over the Eastern Bloc.

And also to those subject to torture mastermind Donald Rumsfeld's Copper Green program, which manifested itself with arbitrary rape and fatal beatings at Camp X-ray and Abu Ghraib.

Paul Craig Roberts said that the US government is in the hands of dangerous psychopaths who are a disgrace to the human race and who should be arrested as war criminals and turned over the the Hague.

Roberts outlined his conviction that the torture program was not set up to gain any kind of real information from accused detainees because torture is renowned for extracting useless and false information. The real reason for the torture is to make the terrorists implicate themselves and thus create the perception of a real terrorist threat.

This is exactly the process in Uzbekistan, where the government was caught torturing innocent people into confession and then using the confessions as evidence that the government needed to crack down on terror.

Roberts said that the CIA was aware that the vast majority of detainees are not terrorists, proven by the fact that Pakistani gangsters admitted to rounding up innocent people in street sweeps and selling them to the US government as terrorists for anything up to $25,000. These people are now at Guantanamo Bay.

Roberts pointed out that only nine so-called terrorists have been brought to trial and none have been convicted. Why do individuals have to be held for four years without trial if there is proof that they can be convicted with? Army interrogators have gone public with their frustrations that these people are obviously not terrorists but they are still ordered to keep them. Images of mass ranks of terrorists are pure lies on the part of the insane Neo-Cons.

People who refuse to torture and blow the whistle on it, like General Janis Karpinsky and Rick Baccus are ejected and replaced with cadres of torture teams willing to do the dirty work. Roberts that these torture teams would be turned loose on US citizens before long.

Roberts said that America is the most hated nation on earth by design and that the military is completely out of control. The barbarism in Iraq practiced by the US occupational government will live in infamy when it is historically judged by hindsight.

Paul Craig Roberts is part of a crescendo of credible voices stepping forward to blow the whistle on the megalomaniacs in the White House as the insanity of the US government reaches unprecedented levels.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/151105inhands.htm
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Wed 16 Nov, 2005 12:28 am
blueflame1 wrote:
Zippo, great job. Millions of Americans believe Bushie was complicit in 911 so you aint alone by any means. Right now nearly 6 in 10 Americans say Bushie deliberately lied us into war. That's astounding. Last year who would have figured there'd be an enlightenment like that? Time is on your side but only because the government's story dont add up.


First of all, because 6 in 10 Americans believe that Bush lied to lead us into war, doesn't make it so. About 9 in 10 Americans believe in God. Is that proof enough for you blueflame?

Secondly, linking Bush lying about Iraqi WMDs and staging 9/11 is the equivalent of a leap across the Grand Canyon. If you find it astounding that public opinion has turned against the Administration as respects a war in which success is in question, then you are easily amazed.

Blueflame, you have found a soulmate in Zippo.
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Zippo
 
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Wed 16 Nov, 2005 01:59 pm
Conspiracy Theories ?

... occasionally I hear someone say you're one of those "conspiracy theories" nuts... that term was created by a government think tank back in the 60's to de-rate and ridicule anything not broadcasted by the official news media on the evening news ... there was a famous man that once said ... "never attribute to a conspiracy that which can amply be attributed to the actions of a bunch of greedy stupid self serving men in power" ... I would add to this ... " and the majority of people who are fooled into believing these men are honest and have the interests of the populous at heart" ... Prof. James McCanney M. S.

I'll begin with a question that simply needs to be asked. Why is there a pathological obsession in this country with putting the words "theory and "theorist after "conspiracy? There are, at least, two possibilities that come to mind. The first is that the word "conspiracy is like a Rorschach test. It inherently comes with a variety of psychological responses upon hearing the very word - the primary reaction (so far) being closed-mindedness. The second possibility would, indeed, suggest a conspiracy. This severe skepticism (or pathos) by most against anything that challenges traditional lore is in place by design and derived from years of indoctrination through a carefully conceived program within mainstream education, politics and media for the purpose of social, financial, political and intellectual control of the masses. Most recently, this ideology was supported (and even demanded) by George W. Bush who, after 9-11, stated publicly, "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories..."

Why would the President make such a proclamation? When something negative occurs (murder, assassination, terrorist attack, etc.) any good investigator will ask him or herself one very important question, "Who benefits from this? Then one simply follows where the evidence and money & paper trails lead him. Why, then, wouldn't the President want people to theorize about who or what was behind the most devastating attack on American soil in history? After some thought, his decree would seem counter-productive. Unless, that is, Mr. Bush and his administration would benefit from little or no inquiry from those he professes to protect just as, say, Lyndon Johnson may have benefited from appointing the very biased Warren Commission to investigate the death of his predecessor.

Well, growing numbers of U. S. citizens are simply not wanting to trust the words of our current White House occupant and the media giants anymore. This sentiment is shared by those Americans (especially in our post 9-11 world) who are deciding to think outside of the box and do their own homework on both history and current world events. And by doing so, they have discovered that things are truly not what they appear to be on planet Earth.

By Brian William Hall


In the Absence of Truth from the White House, Conspiracy Theories Emerge...
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Wed 16 Nov, 2005 02:11 pm
The fact that many historical 'conspiracy theories' turned out to be actual conspiracies apparently does not dissuade modern humans from believing that we are immune to such things in our time, sadly enough.

Cycloptichorn
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