Rightwing Liars Falsely Claim 2,000 NO School Buses Sat Idle

CoastalRat wrote:

Bella, you must learn to ignore Chrissee. She politely ignores what she calls your personal attack but she is quick to personally make attacks of her own. Oh, and did you know that she is always right? Well, now you do.

Thanks! :wink:

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Bella Dea wrote:

Chrissee wrote:

Of course, if one of the unlicensed, untrained drivers drove 50 people into Lake Ponchartrain, you would be the first to want to charge Nagin with homicide!

Just like you'd be the first to blame Bush. You are such a hypocrite.

Why does that make me a hypocrite? You are great at ad hominems but not much else. I would never condone the state putting in a plan that breaks the law. That is moronic.

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CoastalRat wrote:

Bella, you must learn to ignore Chrissee. She politely ignores what she calls your personal attack but she is quick to personally make attacks of her own. Oh, and did you know that she is always right? Well, now you do.

Link please to a post of mine calling someone a name.

So you are finally getting it? I am always right. Good.

So why aren't you taking your own advice?

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Chrissee wrote:

CoastalRat wrote:
KW, I would concur wholeheartedly with what you are saying. While people have been quick to blame government for not getting people out, I keep wondering how we can reasonably expect government to do so.

Let me put it this way. When evacuating a large city, such as NO, where do you send people? What nearby locality is ever really ready to handle an influx of people from a city the size of NO? I think that all concerned did a good job of getting as many out of harm's way as they did. And let's face it, many of those who stayed (how many exactly will never be known for sure) did so of their own free will. I would guess that a decent percentage of those who were unable to leave due to not having transportation would have chosen to stay even if transport had been provided. That is just the nature of many people.

Well, CR, even a broken clock is right twice a day

In fact, statistics show that about 25% refuse to evacuate voluntarily, it appears that number was lower due to the enormity of the Katrina threat. My best guess is that 10-20% stayed of their won volition. Obviously, the vast majority of the 35,000 who packed the Superdome would have preferred to leave the city.

Hindsight is 20/20 but I have wondered why they didn't set aside LSU's Arena as a shelter. Maybe some with very limited funds could have made it there i.e. a car and a tank of gas.

Now you're talking Chrissee. Gosh, and I was beginning to think you disliked me. And here you go making nice-nice to me. At least a little, although you just couldn't help get the dig in at the beginning could you? Oh well, one step at a time I guess.

I agree that you would think LSU's arena could have been used also. And I think you are probably pretty close in figuring no more than 20% would have stayed no matter what. That would probably be about right in any major mandatory evac such as this. And yes, the dome people I am sure would rather have left the city, but you take shelter where you find it when you have few other options.

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Chrissee wrote:

Link please to a post of mine calling someone a name.

Didn't say you called someone a name. A personal attack does not necessarily mean that you have called someone a name, otherwise my integrity would have forced me to report you to TOS. Smile

But I tell you what, if you want me to supply a few links to what I am referring, I will do so, although it will have to wait until later tonight as I am heading out of town in the next few minutes and will not reach my destination until 10pm or so.

Catch ya later Chrissee.

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Chrissee wrote:

Why does that make me a hypocrite? You are great at ad hominems but not much else. .

I guess this doesn't count as a personal attack? Oh no, of course not. Not the perfect Chrissee. Rolling Eyes

Please.

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Chrissee wrote:

dragon49 wrote:
i was simply pointing out that left wing does as well.

You misspelled "attempting" to point out. You have not done so and you can't because it isn't so. There is NO "left-wing" equivalent of the Moonie Times, Faux News, Newsmuck.com or Whirlednetdaily.

You have politicians who lie and spin, you have left and right bloggers. WHAT YOU DO NOT HAVE is news media on the left who purposely manufacture fiction as truth.

Oh really.
Didnt Dan Rather and a producer get fired for trying to use FORGED documents to attack Bush right before the election?

Also,it really doesnt matter how many busses there were.
The state and local evac plan for New Orleans stated that those busses were to be used to evac the handicapped,the elderly,the infirm,and anyone else that needed help to get out.
They werent used,people died.

You can sugarcoat it all you want,it doesnt change the fact that mayor Nagin messed up and people died because of it.

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mysteryman wrote:

Also,it really doesnt matter how many busses there were.
The state and local evac plan for New Orleans stated that those busses were to be used to evac the handicapped,the elderly,the infirm,and anyone else that needed help to get out.
They werent used,people died.

I don't know how many times I have to show this. Please scroll back to the article I posted on the last page. The buses ran. They took people to the superdome. There weren't enough buses, drivers, and time to take everyone, and not everyone would leave. But the buses ran before the hurricane.

The buses ran.

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FreeDuck wrote:

I don't know how many times I have to show this.
.

At least 8. Come on....you have kids! :wink: Laughing

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This thread demonstrates once again how the right wing fabricates information and Distributes it through major media channels to deceive the public. The left (whatever that means)once again is there to expose the deception and precent the truth. How often has this happened ?

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mysteryman wrote:

Oh really.
Didnt Dan Rather and a producer get fired for trying to use FORGED documents to attack Bush right before the election?

No, Dan Rather did NOT get fired. He is still with CBS.

I might also point out that CBS did submit the documents to experts for verification, and apparently they said it was genuine. Unfortunately, those experts were wrong. But CBS did make an attempt to check out the story before going with it.

Finally, the forged documents were not the only evidence that Bush ducked during his National guard days. There is other evidence as well. The fact that this piece of evidence turned out to be falsified does not mean that the other evidence was.

Heck, I can forge a Gutenberg Bible-that doesn't mean that Gutenberg didn't print Bibles.

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mysteryman wrote:

Also,it really doesnt matter how many busses there were.
The state and local evac plan for New Orleans stated that those busses were to be used to evac the handicapped,the elderly,the infirm,and anyone else that needed help to get out.
They werent used,people died.

You can sugarcoat it all you want,it doesnt change the fact that mayor Nagin messed up and people died because of it.

Mysteryman, you have got to stop immersing yourself in lying right wing blogs, CNS, Newsmax and the rest of them. The right wingers are warping your viewpoint.

You read these right wing liars, they repeat over and over again that the buses did not run, this causes you to enter a thread where overwhelming evidence is presented that the buses did run, but you repeat the right wing lie that the buses did not run.

You should stop putting your faith in these right wing media sources. They have been caught red handed. Read this post earlier in this very thread and see the bus schedule. The buses ran, as many of them as they could get drivers for.

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Bella Dea wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

I don't know how many times I have to show this.
.

At least 8. Come on....you have kids! :wink:

Ha ha, you got that right. I should be used to it.

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kelticwizard wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
Also,it really doesnt matter how many busses there were.
The state and local evac plan for New Orleans stated that those busses were to be used to evac the handicapped,the elderly,the infirm,and anyone else that needed help to get out.
They werent used,people died.

You can sugarcoat it all you want,it doesnt change the fact that mayor Nagin messed up and people died because of it.

Mysteryman, you have got to stop immersing yourself in lying right wing blogs, CNS, Newsmax and the rest of them. The right wingers are warping your viewpoint.

You read these right wing liars, they repeat over and over again that the buses did not run, this causes you to enter a thread where overwhelming evidence is presented that the buses did run, but you repeat the right wing lie that the buses did not run.

You should stop putting your faith in these right wing media sources. They have been caught red handed. Read this post earlier in this very thread and see the bus schedule. The buses ran, as many of them as they could get drivers for.

Tell me,are you going to say that those busses that got flooded in their parking spaces actually ran?
That they werent there,it was a figment of everyones imagination?

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I really wish you would read the previous pages in this thread. It is not long, and virtually all your points have been covered in it over and over. I don't think it is right to come in on the last page and expect everyone to point out specific posts where the ground has been covered before.

I will summarize.

The evacuation plan, surprise, did not work. I posted a message which illustrates the evacuation plan for most large cities is a pipedream, totally unrealistic.

The mayor called out the bus drivers, but many of them had already left the city. He asked for more bus drivers, but none were forthcoming.

So the only plan he had left was to tell everyone to leave, and to use what bus drivers he had to take the people to one of the few places in New Orleans which was well above sea level-the Lousiana Superdome. As it was, 30,000 went there, most of them by the buses. And they were unmanageable.

The mandatory evacuation order and the schedule where the buses were picking up people to take them to the Superdome as a "last resort" were posted in a previous message. Please take the time to read it.

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Again, how can anyone expect bus drivers, most of whom would probably have means to get out of ther city, to sacrifice their safety and the safety of their family to stay behind to help the disadvantaged?

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Chrissee wrote:

Again, how can anyone expect bus drivers, most of whom would probably have means to get out of ther city, to sacrifice their safety and the safety of their family to stay behind to help the disadvantaged?

Its simple.
You expect public employees to do their jobs.
If they dont,then fire them.

As for them driving the busses,how tough would it have been to say...
"drive the bus and evacuate people,out of the city.
You can load your family on your bus and take them with you.

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mysteryman wrote:

Chrissee wrote:
Again, how can anyone expect bus drivers, most of whom would probably have means to get out of ther city, to sacrifice their safety and the safety of their family to stay behind to help the disadvantaged?
Its simple.
You expect public employees to do their jobs.
If they dont,then fire them.

As for them driving the busses,how tough would it have been to say...
"drive the bus and evacuate people,out of the city.
You can load your family on your bus and take them with you.

WTF? School bus drivers and transit bus drivers are on call to drive buses long distance on the whim of the Mayor? Put down the crack pipe.

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As it turned out, the Mayor does not have jurisdiction over school buses. That's the parish school district. Fact is, the Mayor's office might not even know where the parking lot is. The office certainly did not have the names or phone numbers of the drivers.

Strictly speaking, one of the jobs of FEMA is to coordinate such things as the Mayor's office and the school district. It is unclear if the request ever came.

Thing is, where were these extra buses supposed to drive the people to? We saw what happened at the Super Dome-what if more people were there? Where else in driving distance of two or three hours can take an influx of 100,000 people? Or even four places that can take 25,000 people each?

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