Rightwing Liars Falsely Claim 2,000 NO School Buses Sat Idle

It is important to get the numbers right. I never said anything to the contrary. At least I do not think so.

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It is important to get the numbers right. I never said anything to the contrary. At least I do not think so.

In reality, you said virtually nothing except that, in a perfect world, NO could have evacuated close to 100% of the population. The fact is that NO evacuated an UNPRECEDENTED 80% of its population.

Of course, as a bleeding heart liberal, I bemoan the fact that it was the poor, disabled, elderly and largely black population who were left behind. As a BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL, I am all for programs that help the poor, elderly and disabled. ARE YOU?

i am not using the excuse that someone else did it so its ok. i think it was completely wrong for them to do it. i wasn't arguing it was ok, i was simply pointing out that right wing media are not the only ones lying here. Cnn in a video linked to in the bush's aftermath supporter's thread states that amtrack offered help and got turned away and Nagin clearly says he never got that call (in the russert interview).

don't get me wrong at all, what they did was completely wrong, and they shouldn't report something unless they have verified the facts. they lied, i agree. i was simply pointing out that left wing does as well.

i made my point in the wrong thread, i apologize.

i was simply pointing out that left wing does as well.

dragon49 wrote:

i was simply pointing out that left wing does as well.

You misspelled "attempting" to point out. You have not done so and you can't because it isn't so. There is NO "left-wing" equivalent of the Moonie Times, Faux News, Newsmuck.com or Whirlednetdaily.

You have politicians who lie and spin, you have left and right bloggers. WHAT YOU DO NOT HAVE is news media on the left who purposely manufacture fiction as truth.

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here is a transcript from Tim Russert on MSNBC interviewing Nagin...if you read down Russert quotes the Houston Chronicle that said NO had 550 municipal buses and "hundreds more" school buses. Nagin doesn't dispute this fact, he just says they had no one to drive them. That doesn't constitute 2,000. However, if you read on, Russert reads something else that says that in July Nagin said, "you're on your own" to the poeple of NO because he didn't think the evac plan would work (ummm why didn't you write a better one?) and then Nagin dances around the question. My purpose in posting this is to show that all parties exaggerate the truth or dance around the answer to make their case sound better. Right wingers are not alone...

Can't you guys ever deal with truth? Media Matters exposes the outright lies of the right-wing/corporate media. To counter that you lamely cite a politician parsing words. (spinning) Apples and elephants.

Nice try though.

dragon49 wrote:

i was simply pointing out that left wing does as well.

You misspelled "attempting" to point out. You have not done so and you can't because it isn't so. There is NO "left-wing" equivalent of the Moonie Times, Faux News, Newsmuck.com or Whirlednetdaily.

You have politicians who lie and spin, you have left and right bloggers. WHAT YOU DO NOT HAVE is news media on the left who purposely manufacture fiction as truth.

I think the idea here is that the right used grossly exaggerated numbers to stir outrage thereby taking the focus of FEMA and juniors incompetence, which is a different issue than local or state government incompetence of which there was no doubt some as well.

It's the well used "George ate a bowl of **** but it's okay because someone else ate two" argument, but it's finally wearing thin with even his supporters.

Chrissee wrote:

dragon49 wrote:

i was simply pointing out that left wing does as well.

You misspelled "attempting" to point out. You have not done so and you can't because it isn't so. There is NO "left-wing" equivalent of the Moonie Times, Faux News, Newsmuck.com or Whirlednetdaily.

You have politicians who lie and spin, you have left and right bloggers. WHAT YOU DO NOT HAVE is news media on the left who purposely manufacture fiction as truth.

CNN was the first place i heard of the amtrack comments, then on msnbc with the interview. and nagin is calling them out right lies. i believe CNN to be a left leaning news source. do you not? so no left wing media has ever exaggerated the truth? are you really arguing that?

again, i am not arguing what they did was right. like OE there is all too much biased in ALL the news, it actually really irritates me.

If you believe CNN is left-leaning, you need to crawl out from underneath that rock, friend. By and large, real news organizations try to report the facts, some try to senasationalize it, others, all right-wing, just outright make it up.

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

I think the idea here is that the right used grossly exaggerated numbers to stir outrage thereby taking the focus of FEMA and juniors incompetence, which is a different issue than local or state government incompetence of which there was no doubt some as well.

It's the well used "George ate a bowl of **** but it's okay because someone else ate two" argument, but it's finally wearing thin with even his supporters.

i don't think anyone could take the focus off FEMA's stupidity.

dragon49 wrote:

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

I think the idea here is that the right used grossly exaggerated numbers to stir outrage thereby taking the focus of FEMA and juniors incompetence, which is a different issue than local or state government incompetence of which there was no doubt some as well.

It's the well used "George ate a bowl of **** but it's okay because someone else ate two" argument, but it's finally wearing thin with even his supporters.

i don't think anyone could take the focus off FEMA's stupidity.

but they could be stupid enough to think they could

i believe CNN to be a left leaning news source. do you not?

Dragon49 wrote:

i believe CNN to be a left leaning news source. do you not?

No, I do not believe CNN is a left leaning news source at all.

What I do believe, for I have witnessed it for decades, is that the right wing will scream that any news organization that does not accept it's preferred version of events all the time is left leaning.

It goes as least as far back as VietNam, with Spiro Agnew leading the charge.

Today, the right wing has 24 hour a day talk radio, right wing blogs, the Washington Times, (owned by Sun Myung Moon). and Fox News. It constitutes an entire industry. At this point, their main goal is to holler that all the other news media, (which they brand "the MSM"), is so biased that the only place anyone can turn to get the story is the right wing media.

That's their game.

D49, you think the Wall Street Journal, for instance, tries to sensationalize the news?

Chrissee wrote:

D49, you think the Wall Street Journal, for instance, tries to sensationalize the news?

yup, i do.

here's the definition i found for sensationalize: To cast and present in a manner intended to arouse strong interest, especially through inclusion of exaggerated or lurid details

when i read the article on Carly Fiorina getting replaced at HPQ, they sure did make her out to be a loser (if she is or isn't is not the point, they cast a certain light on her to arouse strong interest).

Dragon49 wrote:

i believe CNN to be a left leaning news source. do you not?

No, I do not believe CNN is a left leaning news source at all.

What I do believe, for I have witnessed it for decades, is that the right wing will scream that any news organization that does not accept it's preferred version of events all the time is left leaning.

It goes as least as far back as VietNam, with Spiro Agnew leading the charge.