Politics as usual.

On the left, Michael Moore does exactly the same thing - ...all he's lobbed us is a rabble-rousing film or two.

Ive only seen Fahrenheit 9/11 and I was disgusted.

Very effective and skilled work of shameless propaganda though, I'll readily admit.

But about as honest and scrupulous as a GWB speech.

Take a look at the right and the left in America right now.

Who has told the truth and who has lied? Who is using the media to suppress information and who has to create or find alternative media to get the truth to the public. Who fabricated intelligence and used patriotism and the power of peoples loyalty to the state to justify and get the go ahead for a preempted attack.

Who is the shameless propagandist. How much of Fahrenheit 9/11 is true? All of it.

Truth is good. Lies are bad.

Who benefits when we are deceived who benefits when we are not, And who is really trying to deceive you. When you look at this partition war at home. Take a look at the track records of the right and left for telling the truth and ask yourself how things would have been different in the world and america had the truth been known and the lies exposed

No matter how bad it gets for are country or the world the people in the middle of the right and left stay right in the middle where it's nice, safe and sensible. I actually have more contempt for them. I think they are apathetic, complacent and afraid the look like a "whacko". I was a "whacko" when I said you couldn't enrich uranium with the tubes they were starting a war with on Fox news. Am I a "whacko" for saying it today? NO. Because it's true. Like it was true then. Oh but partisianship is bad even when your telling the truth and their lying. Remember the whacko that said Oswald wasn't the only one that shot Kennedy? Remember the quack scientist that came up with global warming? Who's the real whackos?

Well, you had a good thread going, jp.

Good luck getting it back on track.

the people in the middle of the right and left stay right in the middle where it's nice, safe and sensible. I actually have more contempt for them. I think they are apathetic, complacent and afraid the look like a "whacko".

1. what left wing lie's do you know of? I will match you lie for lie on the Right Name four and I'll name four to start ?

2. what is not true in Fahrenhiet 9/11 ?

3. How is asking you who benifits when you are decieved part of the problem. Finding out who has lied is part of the solution.Yes or No? What so broad about that.Your in the middle, look at the right then look at the left and ask yourself who lied to you and why.Their is no left or right ideas or opinions to this question.Their is only who dares to answer it honestly.

Amigo wrote:

1. what left wing lie's do you know of? I will match you lie for lie on the Right Name four and I'll name four to start ?

2. what is not true in Fahrenhiet 9/11 ?

3. How is asking you who benifits when you are decieved part of the problem. Finding out who has lied is part of the solution.Yes or No? What so broad about that.Your in the middle, look at the right then look at the left and ask yourself who lied to you and why.Their is no left or right ideas or opinions to this question.Their is only who dares to answer it honestly.

Amigo, you are missing the point. I don't want to match lie for lie with you. I don't want to argue about who is right and who is wrong. I don't want to stick my tounge out and scream "Neener neener neener" at you.

This whole pissing contest is what is wrong. It isn't about who is right and who is wrong. It is about what we should be doing together to solve problems. What compromises can we reach?

jp, I stated in another topic that what this nation needs really is a mission statement. What specifically are our goals as a society and how can we go about meeting them. I truely believe that establishing such a mission statement could lead to cohesion rather than polarization.