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Why does the Bible get misinterpreted so often????

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 11:57 am
It doesn't matter what conclusion you think it supports, because most people that have already made up their minds will not change their opinion.

The opinioin of the picece seemed quite clear to me, but I know factually that the opinion stated doesn't make any difference to those with other ideas. Most christians ideas about their religion is locked for the duration - never to change - no matter what evidence is provided.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:00 pm
Implicator, I submit again that a literal reading is a literal reading, and is that to which I allude. Any analysis of the words, in context or otherwise, that presents the words as saying other than what the words say is an interpretation.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:02 pm
Me no like long posts
Me no like external links

Me like CI's own thoughts. They pretty.
Much fun
More, please

Me like what Intrepid say.
Sound lot like what me say.
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Implicator
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:03 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Quote: "Could you clarify this, please? What or who are the "they" that are being subjectively interpreted by each individual?"

There may be some agreement among several peope, but as this thread has shown, many interpretations of verses are possible. Some say the ten commandments was overruled by the NT, while others claim it was not.


So the "they" is Bible verses ... ok.

So we need not worry that you will tell us what the Bible is saying, or that you will tell us that there is any particular problem with our particular interpretation (as that would require you to evaluate your interpretation against ours.)

I
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:04 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Implicator, I submit again that a literal reading is a literal reading, and is that to which I allude. Any analysis of the words, in context or otherwise, that presents the words as saying other than what the words say is an interpretation.
There are, however, times where an apparent contradiction needs to be understood.
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Questioner
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:08 pm
neologist wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
Implicator, I submit again that a literal reading is a literal reading, and is that to which I allude. Any analysis of the words, in context or otherwise, that presents the words as saying other than what the words say is an interpretation.
There are, however, times where an apparent contradiction needs to be understood.


Ah, but the wonder of the bible is that it's "God-breathed" and "God-inspired" and everyone knows that God can't **** anything up. So interpretation isn't, in fact, needed, merely obedience.

Or a lobotomy.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:10 pm
"Or a lobotomy." Now, that's saying something. LOL
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:13 pm
Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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It doesn't matter what conclusion you think it supports, because most people that have already made up their minds will not change their opinion.

The opinioin of the picece seemed quite clear to me, but I know factually that the opinion stated doesn't make any difference to those with other ideas. Most christians ideas about their religion is locked for the duration - never to change - no matter what evidence is provided.


IMO, this is just another one of your dodges so you don't have to directly answer the question. Why don't you ask one of your buddies for some help? I mean, afterall, they just jump right in there to help you when you get in a bind, don't they? :wink:

No matter what is shown to you, what is explained to you, have you changed your opinions one iota? I think not. POT MEET THE KETTLE! Rolling Eyes
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:16 pm
mother Very Happy soemtimes it's difficult to read your Shocked because Rolling Eyes get between the Exclamation and the Mad leaving me with Twisted Evil and Confused
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:18 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
It doesn't matter what conclusion you think it supports, because most people that have already made up their minds will not change their opinion.

The opinioin of the picece seemed quite clear to me, but I know factually that the opinion stated doesn't make any difference to those with other ideas. Most christians ideas about their religion is locked for the duration - never to change - no matter what evidence is provided.


If you didn't have a reason for posting it, or know what it said...why did you post it? If people's opinions and conclusions don't matter to you, why do you bother to waste our time with long posts that don't mean anything?

Please provide solid statistics to back up your claim that "Most christians ideas about their religion is locked for the duration - never to change - no matter what evidence is provided." How many are "most Christians" and how long is this duration of which you speak? The biggest laugh of all is your talk of "evidence provided." When have you ever done that?
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:19 pm
The fault in interpretation is not God's fault.

The fault lies in our desire for moral license.

I don't take myself out of the above statement.

If you wish to know about God, you will have to work at it.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:20 pm
dyslexia wrote:
mother Very Happy soemtimes it's difficult to read your Shocked because Rolling Eyes get between the Exclamation and the Mad leaving me with Twisted Evil and Confused


http://web4.ehost-services.com/el2ton1/laughing1.gif
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Implicator
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:22 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Implicator, I submit again that a literal reading is a literal reading, and is that to which I allude. Any analysis of the words, in context or otherwise, that presents the words as saying other than what the words say is an interpretation.


Any analysis which presents what the words say is, by definition, an interpretation (to interpret something is to "explain the meaning of"). The only exception is if your presentation is simply a verbatim recitation of the words in question.

Presenting the words as saying other than what the words say is (by definition) an incorrect interpretation. It means you evaluated what you read, concluded what the meaning of the words was (i.e. the concepts expressed), but came up with a meaning that is other than the author's intention.

An attempt to read the words in an entirely literal manner is not sufficient to guarantee that your interpretation (the meaning you derive from the words) is correct, because you are still ascribing meaning to the words - that is exactly what makes it an interpretation. Even if it were correct, however, it would still be your (correct) interpretation of what was written, because you derived meaning from the words by analyzing them.

Furthermore, if you choose to take an entirely literal approach then you are doomed to end up with an inaccurate interpretation in the case that the author did not write in an entirely literal manner.

I
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:29 pm
"...author's intention..." What a laugh. The original script was revised and rerevised, translated and re-translated so many times, the original meaning has been lost. On top of that, current interpretations differ diametrically from one interpreter to the next. How do you people keep all that straight in your brain? I find it not only confusing, but impossible to interpret logically or rationally.
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Implicator
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:30 pm
Questioner wrote:
neologist wrote:
timberlandko wrote:
Implicator, I submit again that a literal reading is a literal reading, and is that to which I allude. Any analysis of the words, in context or otherwise, that presents the words as saying other than what the words say is an interpretation.
There are, however, times where an apparent contradiction needs to be understood.


Ah, but the wonder of the bible is that it's "God-breathed" and "God-inspired" and everyone knows that God can't **** anything up. So interpretation isn't, in fact, needed, merely obedience.

Or a lobotomy.


"God-breathed" does not necessarily entail an accurate understanding by man, mainly because (imperfect) man is involved in the process.

And it isn't that interpretation is needed, interpretation is just what happens by virtue of analyzing what it is one has read.

I
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:34 pm
I accept you will not - actually, given the proposition you champion cannot - agree, Implicator, but I submit your latest replies amount to sophistry, confirming by example the very point I am making.

The notion that a perfect deity would provide the perfect word, "The Revealed, Immutable Truth", in a manner such that it would require interpretation and interpolation to be understood is self-cancelling - an absurdity. Such a notion is neither more nor less than a job guarantee for the priesthood.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:36 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
"...author's intention..." What a laugh. The original script was revised and rerevised, translated and re-translated so many times, the original meaning has been lost. On top of that, current interpretations differ diametrically from one interpreter to the next. How do you people keep all that straight in your brain? I find it not only confusing, but impossible to interpret logically or rationally.
Good reason to just do whatever you want, then.
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Implicator
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:37 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
"...author's intention..." What a laugh. The original script was revised and rerevised, translated and re-translated so many times, the original meaning has been lost. On top of that, current interpretations differ diametrically from one interpreter to the next. How do you people keep all that straight in your brain? I find it not only confusing, but impossible to interpret logically or rationally.


How can you possibly know that the original meaning has been lost, CI? That would require two things from you:

1) Knowledge of the original meaning
2) Analysis of the current text

Even if you do have knowledge of the original meaning, you just indicated a moment ago that you would never presume to interpret the Bible (i.e. analyze the current text).
I
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:38 pm
Implicator, I think you are figuring C.I. out.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 12:41 pm
Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

Quote:
"...author's intention..." What a laugh. The original script was revised and rerevised, translated and re-translated so many times, the original meaning has been lost. On top of that, current interpretations differ diametrically from one interpreter to the next. How do you people keep all that straight in your brain? I find it not only confusing, but impossible to interpret logically or rationally.


Then perhaps it would be better if you did not engage in these conversations? We constantly ask you to explain why you say something or post something and we get every kind of a dodge and duck from you.

If you don't understand what you are posting, why do you post it?
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