A new low...even for liberal anti-war protesters

kickycan wrote:

I heard that he channeled a dead nazi who told him she was a jew hater. It might not be true, but you know, it is possible. Not that I'm actually saying that, you understand...

I see your providing your usual level of contribution to a poltical thread, Kicky.

You are correct: I'm hearing voices.

("to hear personally" is a pleonasm, I was taught. :wink: )

goodfielder wrote:

None of the above Tico. Just that she has a really good point to make.

What is her point? She's made her point already, so what is the point remaining to be made by her?

Ticomaya wrote:

goodfielder wrote:

None of the above Tico. Just that she has a really good point to make.

What is her point? She's made her point already, so what is the point remaining to be made by her?

Are you really saying anything still around here that you havent said already before? Not that I've noticed.

Yet you're still here saying it, rephrasing it... same as with her, I'd suppose. She's got a point, a good point, and will keep making it till she's made the impact she desires.

nimh wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

goodfielder wrote:

None of the above Tico. Just that she has a really good point to make.

What is her point? She's made her point already, so what is the point remaining to be made by her?

Are you really saying anything still around here that you havent said already before? Not that I've noticed.

If I'm repeating myself it's because some folks have difficulties with reading comprehension and understanding.

Opposing views, but these women deserve respect
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Mrs. Sheehan has been dogging Bush for the answer to one simple question: Why did my son die in Iraq?

The president should be able to answer this question but he will not. There are no weapons of mass destruction, no proof that Iraq posed a threat to the United States prior to our invasion, and our efforts at nation-building seem shaky at best.

Until the president can answer Mrs. Sheehan's one simple question, support for the Iraq war will continue to wane.
[...]

You seem to make this claim alot. Along with the reverse claim when you don't understand someone else's words, that they have difficulty explaining things.

I have a theory about this, and I'd like to explain it to you, but I'm pretty sure you'd have difficulty understanding it.

Thanks again for your normal and customary contribution to this thread.

Mother has own message

By Susan Nolan
[email protected]

PORTSMOUTH - Natalie Healy of Exeter, whose son was killed in Afghanistan on June 28, has something to say to Cindy Sheehan:

Speak for yourself.

Healy will be holding a rally in Market Square today from noon to 2 p.m. in support of the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, in support of President Bush and in support of the mission of her son, Senior Chief Petty Officer Daniel Healy, a Navy SEAL.

The 36-year-old father and Exeter High School graduate was killed when the MH-47 Chinook helicopter he was riding in was shot down by enemy fire in eastern Afghanistan. He was one of 16 Americans who died in the crash.

Natalie Healy said she's troubled over the attention Sheehan, a California woman whose son was killed in Iraq, has attracted to her "peace vigil" outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas.

Healy added that she's also concerned over the large amount of press Sheehan has gotten from her campout and from the peace rallies that have been held in support of it.

Healy said she hopes her rally today will begin a ground swell to counteract Sheehan's message.

Many Americans support the troops and the president, she said.

"Anybody (is invited to today's rally) who wants to show their support for our young men and women fighting the war - so that we can let the enemy know and the soldiers know and the politicians know and the president know that we will stand behind them ... so that they can get the job done in the most timely and efficient fashion," she said.

"We just want to let the fellas know that we're supporting them and that we're not going to wimp out on them," Healy added. "We know they had a job to do, and we're going to make sure that they get it done.
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"If we pull out without the job done, then my son will have died in vain, and I won't accept that," she said. "I feel that we have got to finish the job, that we have got to make sure that it is known that we have the courage."

Healy also said she wants to send a message to al-Qaida.

"They attacked us on 9/11, and we have to make sure that the terrorists understand that we will defend our freedoms. ... As long as they know we're not going to give up ... that's what they have to know," she said.

Healy said she would like her message to travel around the world, just as Sheehan's has.

"I'm going to use the same tools she is using," said Healy.

"I'm also asking different people to have a rally on Wednesday night in their own cities and towns," she said.

"We'll be having one in Exeter, more than likely, to show our solidarity with the troops, and to show the enemy that not all Americans feel the way Cindy Sheehan and her group feel."

Healy said Sheehan has already met with the president once, while she herself has not.

"If I'm supposed to meet with him as one of the mothers, then she can have my spot, but she has to treat him with respect and dignity," said Healy.

"If (the president) was her ex-husband, they'd consider this stalking," said Healy of Sheehan's protest at Bush's Texas ranch. "That's harassment in other places."

Healy said she learned Wednesday that her son and his comrades did not die quickly. "We got information on the Internet about what actually happened the day Dan was shot down. I had originally assumed that it was instant, and it wasn't. They had a long time to ponder what was going to happen," she said. "They flew for a mile after they were shot. The pilot held them up." They were in a mountainous area, however, and the pilot had to land on a ledge. It gave way, and those aboard plummeted to their death.

Healy said she is "aware that I'm in shock" but is thankful for that. "I'm glad it's like that. I don't want to have to feel it all at once."

Healy - who has taken to the airwaves to counteract Sheehan's message of opposition to the president - said she's glad to have a chance to fight back.

"By being on this mission, it makes me feel close to Dan, and at the same time, it keeps my mind occupied."

Ticomaya wrote:

Thanks again for your normal and customary contribution to this thread.

Your welcome. But really, you don't have to thank me. I enjoy pointing out bullshit. So really, I guess I should be thanking you for providing so much of it.

Your link doesn't work, Walter. Was that a letter to the editor?

kickycan wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

Thanks again for your normal and customary contribution to this thread.

Your welcome. But really, you don't have to thank me. I enjoy pointing out bullshit. So really, I guess I should be thanking you for providing so much of it.

Is it possible that you enjoy it as much as I enjoy pointing out that your normal contribution to a thread in the Politics forum is to exclaim "bullshit" every now and again?

Ticomaya wrote:

Your link doesn't work, Walter. Was that a letter to the editor?

Link fixed, thanks.

No, it's an Editotial/Opinon.

Natalie Healy of Exeter, whose son was killed in Afghanistan on June 28 . . .

Lol - we all have skellingtons.

har! everybody's got something to hide 'cept for me and my monkey !

Shrugs - she MIGHT be the things they claim - I think she is just not very clever - but they sure as hell are sliming her on nothing so far re the jewish and "racist" thing.

she may not be the sharpest pencil in the box. but then genius status isn't a pre-requisite for feelings, opinions or the right to express them in the usa.

folks can deny that the slime squad and it's auxilliary exists. but when the same type of attacks happen time after time ?? from the same sources ?

that ain't no hallucination.

Tico alleges, and i have no reason to doubt that, The Portsmouth Herald wrote:

Natalie Healy of Exeter, whose son was killed in Afghanistan on June 28 . . .

Ah, the conservatives do love diversion and false analogies. Miss Healy's son died in a worthy cause in what has properly been seen since the outset as the war on terrorism--in Afghanistan. That is not the case with the son of Miss Sheehan.

Tico alleges, and i have no reason to doubt that, The Portsmouth Herald wrote:

Natalie Healy of Exeter, whose son was killed in Afghanistan on June 28 . . .

Ah, the conservatives do love diversion and false analogies. Miss Healy's son died in a worthy cause in what has properly been seen since the outset as the war on terrorism--in Afghanistan. That is not the case with the son of Miss Sheehan.

She Does Not Speak for Me
My son died in Iraq--and it was not in vain.

BY RONALD R. GRIFFIN
Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

I lost a son in Iraq and Cindy Sheehan does not speak for me.

I grieve with Mrs. Sheehan, for all too well I know the full measure of the agony she is forever going to endure. I honor her son for his service and sacrifice. However, I abhor all that she represents and those who would cast her as the symbol for parents of our fallen soldiers.

The fallen heroes, until now, have enjoyed virtually no individuality. They have been treated as a monolith, a mere number. Now Mrs. Sheehan, with adept public relations tactics, has succeeded in elevating herself above the rest of us. Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida declared that Mrs. Sheehan is now the symbol for all parents who have lost children in Iraq. Sorry, senator. Not for me.

Maureen Dowd of the New York Times portrays Mrs. Sheehan as a distraught mom standing heroically outside the guarded gates of the most powerful and inhumane man on earth, President Bush. Ms. Dowd is so moved by Mrs. Sheehan's plight that she bestowed upon her and all grieving parents the title of "absolute moral authority." That characterization epitomizes the arrogance and condescension of anyone who would presume to understand and speak for all of us. How can we all possess "absolute moral authority" when we hold so many different perspectives?

I don't want that title. I haven't earned that title.

Although we all walk the same sad road of sorrow and agony, we walk it as individuals with all the refreshing uniqueness of our own thoughts shaped in large measure by the life and death of our own fallen hero. Over the past few days I have reached out to other parents and loved ones of fallen heroes in an attempt to find out their reactions to all the attention Mrs. Sheehan has attracted. What emerges from those conversations is an empathy for Mrs. Sheehan's suffering but a fundamental disagreement with her politics.

Ann and Dale Hampton lost their only child, Capt. Kimberly Hampton, on Jan. 2, 2004, while she was flying her Kiowa helicopter. She was a member of the 82nd Airborne and the company commander. She had already served in Afghanistan before being deployed to Iraq. Ann Hampton wrote, "My grief sometimes seems unbearable, but I cannot add the additional baggage of anger. Mrs. Sheehan has every right to protest . . . but I cannot do that. I would be protesting the very thing that Kimberly believed in and died for."

Marine Capt. Benjamin Sammis was Stacey Sammis's husband. Ben died on April 4, 2003, while flying his Super Cobra helicopter. Listen to Stacey and she will tell you that she is just beginning to understand the enormousness of the character of soldiers who knowingly put their lives at risk to defend our country. She will tell you that one of her deepest regrets is that the world did not have the honor of experiencing for a much longer time this outstanding Marine she so deeply loved.

Speak to Joan Curtin, whose son, Cpl. Michael Curtin, was an infantryman with the 2-7th 3rd ID, and her words are passionately ambivalent. She says she has no room for bitterness. She has a life to lead and a family to nurture. She spoke of that part of her that never heals, for that is where Michael resides. She can go on, always knowing there will be that pain.

Karen Long is the mother of Spc. Zachariah Long, who died with my son Kyle on May 30, 2003. Zack and Kyle were inseparable friends as only soldiers can be, and Karen and I have become inseparable friends since their deaths. Karen's view is that what Mrs. Sheehan is doing she has every right to do, but she is dishonoring all soldiers, including Karen's son, Zack. Karen cannot comprehend why Mrs. Sheehan cannot seem to come to grips with the idea that her own son, Casey, was a soldier like Zack who had a mission to complete. Karen will tell you over and over again that Zack is not here and no one, but no one will dishonor her son.

My wife, Robin, has a different take on Mrs. Sheehan. She told me, "I don't care what she says or does. She is no more important than any other mother."

By all accounts Spc. Casey Sheehan, Mrs. Sheehan's son, was a soldier by choice and by the strength of his character. I did not have the honor of knowing him, but I have read that he attended community college for three years and then chose to join the Army. In August 2003, five months into Operation Iraqi Freedom and after three years of service, Casey Sheehan re-enlisted in the Army with the full knowledge there was a war going on, and with the high probability he would be assigned to a combat area. Mrs. Sheehan frequently speaks of her son in religious terms, even saying that she thought that some day Casey would be a priest. Like so many of the individuals who have given their lives in service to our country, Casey was a very special young man. How do you decry that which someone has chosen to do with his life? How does a mother dishonor the sacrifice of her own son?

Mrs. Sheehan has become the poster child for all the negativity surrounding the war in Iraq. In a way it heartens me to have all this attention paid to her, because that means others in her position now have the chance to be heard. Give equal time to other loved ones of fallen heroes. Feel the intensity of their love, their pride and the sorrow.

To many loved ones, there are few if any "what ifs." They, like their fallen heroes before them, live in the world as it is and not what it was or could have been. Think of the sacrifices that have brought us to this day. We as a country made a collective decision. We must now live up to our decision and not deviate until the mission is complete.

Thirty-five years ago, a president faced a similar dilemma in Vietnam. He gave in and we got "peace with honor." To this day, I am still searching for that honor. Today, those who defend our freedom every day do so as volunteers with a clear and certain purpose. Today, they have in their commander in chief someone who will not allow us to sink into self-pity. I will not allow him to. The amazing part about talking to the people left behind is that I did not want them to stop. After speaking to so many I have come away with the certainty of their conviction that in a large measure it's because of the deeds and sacrifices of their fallen heroes that this is a better and safer world we now live in.

Those who lost their lives believed in the mission. To honor their memory, and because it's right, we must believe in the mission, too.

We refuse to allow Cindy Sheehan to speak for all of us. Instead, we ask you to learn the individual stories. They are glorious. Honor their memories.

Honor their service. Never dishonor them by giving in. They never did.

I got yer diversion and false analogies right here, Set ...