A new low...even for liberal anti-war protesters

I have no need to "come to her defence in substance".

It behoves you slimers to attack her with something of substance.

As I have repeatedly said, if you attack her with reasoned debate and substance, I have no problem.

It is the nature of the attack that I react to.

Ticomaya wrote:

dlowan wrote:

Not sure that they are targeting anything so substantial as skeletons.


Like - they rave on about white supremacist associations - while seemingly passing over stuff like she thinks she is channeling her son (if she does - it was a throwaway thing Tico said.)

What is your point by saying this? Do you think we should focus on the fact she thinks she is channeling her son? Why do you think that is more important? Is it more important that focusing on her anti-Israel remarks?

She has a perfect right to criticise Israel and your government's foreign policy.

You appear to think that criticising either is treason, or some such nonsense.

We disagree so fundamentally and utterly on this that there is no crossing the abyss. So be it.

I think her sanity is quite important, given that the media is giving her such a stage for the time - and believing that she is channeling her son (if that is true) gives me some cause to doubt her mental state.

Although, even that is a matter of debate - since I understand numbers of otherwise sane people believe in the same thing - just as lots of folk believe in the invisible friends they call gods, and few call them nuts. It is simply a matter that I consider relevant in looking at the nature of her movement. I have no idea how relevant, cos I am not following it that closely.

I hope she has, at least, stirred the sluggish streams of thought in those Americans who believe everything that Bush and Fox tell them.

Anyhoo, speaking professionally, it is actually not extremely unusual for people in grief to believe they can see/hear their loved one - and one does not question their mental state as much at that time as one otherwise might.

Shrugs.

I think anyone who believes in life after death is weird.

But they have a right to think that, doesn't hurt me so I'm not fussed.

Someone can believe they are chanelling someone, doesn't fuss me - though I think it is weird. But then I don't believe prayer does anything either. I think it's sort of strange but it can't hurt.

But I don't think that believing in an afterlife or prayer or being able to channel someone is really bad. I just think it's silly.

But you can hold those beliefs should you wish.

You can also hold other beliefs which don't conflict, such as the Iraq invasion and occupation was all about oil. I am likely to agree with you.
I would think you were still weird about channelling or prayer though.

But I wouldn't hold it against you.

Did Tico say earlier, he heard her personally?

I heard that he channeled a dead nazi who told him she was a jew hater. It might not be true, but you know, it is possible. Not that I'm actually saying that, you understand...

You mean "it might not be true but I think it is true".

Ok...I need source material here. Tico - where did you see some transcripts or accounts of what this lady has said? Dependable, please.

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Did Tico say earlier, he heard her personally?

No. It appears you were hearing voices in your head again, Walter.

FreeDuck wrote:

You mean "it might not be true but I think it is true".

Thought you weren't piling on FD?

Ticomaya wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Did Tico say earlier, he heard her personally?

No. It appears you were hearing voices in your head again, Walter.

I regard your response not only as a lie but as a heavy insult as well.

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Main Entry: per·son·al·ly Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: -s()nl, -li
Function: adverb
Etymology: Middle English, from personal + -ly
: so as to be personal : in a personal manner; often : as oneself : on or for one's own part <personally I don't want to go>

I
pron.

Used to refer to oneself as speaker or writer.

have
v. had, (hd) hav·ing, has (hz)
v. tr.

1.
1. To be in possession of: already had a car.
2. To possess as a characteristic, quality, or function: has a beard; had a great deal of energy.
3. To possess or contain as a constituent part: a car that has air bags.
2. To occupy a particular relation to: had many disciples.
3. To possess knowledge of or facility in: has very little Spanish.
4. To hold in the mind; entertain: had doubts about their loyalty.
5. To use or exhibit in action: have compassion.
6.
1. To come into possession of; acquire: Not one copy of the book was to be had in the entire town.
2. To receive; get: I had a letter from my cousin.
3. To accept; take: I'll have the peas instead of the spinach.
7.
1. To suffer from: have defective vision.
2. To be subject to the experience of: had a difficult time last winter.
8.
1. To cause to do something, as by persuasion or compulsion: had my assistant run the errand.
2. To cause to be in a specified place or state: had the guests in the dining room; had everyone fascinated.
9. To permit; allow: I won't have that kind of behavior in my house.
10. To carry on, perform, or execute: have an argument.
11.
1. To place at a disadvantage: Your opponent in the debate had you on every issue.
2. Informal. To get the better of, especially by trickery or deception: They realized too late that they'd been had by a swindler.
3. Informal. To influence by dishonest means; bribe: an incorruptible official who could not be had.
12.
1. To procreate (offspring): wanted to have a child.
2. To give birth to; bear: She's going to have a baby.
13. To partake of: have lunch.
14. To be obliged to; must: We simply have to get there on time.
15. To engage in sexual intercourse with.

heard

adj : detected or perceived by the sense of hearing; "a conversation heard through the wall"

her
adj. The possessive form of she.

Used as a modifier before a noun: her boots; her accomplishments.


pron. The objective case of she.

1. Used as the direct object of a verb: They saw her at the conference.
2. Used as the indirect object of a verb: They gave her a round of applause.
3. Used as the object of a preposition: This letter is addressed to her.
4. Informal. Used as a predicate nominative: It's her.
5. Nonstandard. Used reflexively as the indirect object of a verb: She got her a new job. See note at me.

speak
v. spoke, (spk) spo·ken, (spkn) speak·ing, speaks
v. intr.

1. To utter words or articulate sounds with ordinary speech modulation; talk.
2.
1. To convey thoughts, opinions, or emotions orally.
2. To express oneself.
3. To be on speaking terms: They are no longer speaking.
3. To deliver an address or lecture: The mayor spoke at the rally.
4.
1. To make a statement in writing: The biography speaks of great loneliness.
2. To act as spokesperson: spoke for the entire staff.
5.
1. To convey a message by nonverbal means: Actions speak louder than words.
2. To be expressive: spoke with her eyes.
3. To be appealing: His poetry speaks to one's heart.
6. To make a reservation or request. Often used with for: Is this dance spoken for? I spoke for the last slice of pizza.
7.
1. To produce a characteristic sound: The drums spoke.
2. To give off a sound on firing. Used of guns or cannon.
8. To make communicative sounds.
9. To give an indication or a suggestion: His manners spoke of good upbringing.