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Jessica Lynch says US used her as Iraq war symbol

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 11:33 am
Well, from the time i came back to the world until i "ETS'd" . . . which was . . . about a year and a half. The military reservation sits astride the Warwick river, which is actually just a brackish tidal stream. It is just south of the Big Bethel battlefield site. I used to go out into the piney woods to relax and get away. Eustis was the transportation center, so there weren't a bunch of rifle ranges and artillery and armor firing ranges, just thousands of acres of undisturbed tidewater pine forests. It was really quite lovely, with a forsaken, lost feeling that i really enjoyed.
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dragon49
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 11:47 am
i just thought too, why wouldn't one be proud that they could serve as a symbol of hope and motivation to the rest of the country (jessica lynch). its not like they portrayed her as some unintelligent idiot who got captured by the enemy because she couldn't figure out how to fire her gun, thus forcing us to go in there and get her. they portrayed her as a survivor, a symbol of strength, a symbol of hope. is that so bad?

and that area up around fort eustis is beautiful. i almost forgot about Camp Perry , the undisclosed purpose base in williamsburg... Smile
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 11:54 am
My problem with all of it is the cynicism. There is good reason to believe from the testimony of the hospital employees (who have little incentive to lie) that the rescue was staged, and that Miss Lynch was in no danger in her hospital bed. I see the entire effort as a rah-rah staged event designed to build up patriotic support, and don't believe for a moment that Rummy and the rest of those SOBs ever gave a rat's ass for Miss Lynch.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 11:54 am
dragon49 wrote:

i just thought too, why wouldn't one be proud that they could serve as a symbol of hope and motivation to the rest of the country (jessica lynch).


Perhaps because she's wrongly and illigitimately being portrayed as something she's not, or by an event that did not occur as it has been played out by the media.

dragon49 wrote:

its not like they portrayed her as some unintelligent idiot who got captured by the enemy because she couldn't figure out how to fire her gun


....already taken care of. We have Baldimo and his "friends" doing that for her.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 11:57 am
Baldimo wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Doing some selective reading, eh? Refer to DTOM's post about jumping out of helicopters and cool video game-like effects. There are none so blind as those who will not see.


Jumping out of a helicopter doesn't glamorize war, it is part of someones job. Do you know the last time there was a combat jump with the US military? Try when we invaded Gernanda.

There are people who jump out of airplanes quite often.


hmmm. i thought it was during the initial operation when bush sr. sent troops to somalia. that's the story i heard.

could be wrong though...
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 11:59 am
Setanta wrote:
My problem with all of it is the cynicism. There is good reason to believe from the testimony of the hospital employees (who have little incentive to lie) that the rescue was staged, and that Miss Lynch was in no danger in her hospital bed. I see the entire effort as a rah-rah staged event designed to build up patriotic support, and don't believe for a moment that Rummy and the rest of those SOBs ever gave a rat's ass for Miss Lynch.


The unedited BBC video is quite different from the edited U.S. MSM video. Worth looking into if this case interests you.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 12:09 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Setanta wrote:
My problem with all of it is the cynicism. There is good reason to believe from the testimony of the hospital employees (who have little incentive to lie) that the rescue was staged, and that Miss Lynch was in no danger in her hospital bed. I see the entire effort as a rah-rah staged event designed to build up patriotic support, and don't believe for a moment that Rummy and the rest of those SOBs ever gave a rat's ass for Miss Lynch.


The unedited BBC video is quite different from the edited U.S. MSM video. Worth looking into if this case interests you.


Is there an internet link available for the video?
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dragon49
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 12:12 pm
candidone1 wrote:
dragon49 wrote:

its not like they portrayed her as some unintelligent idiot who got captured by the enemy because she couldn't figure out how to fire her gun


....already taken care of. We have Baldimo and his "friends" doing that for her.


which i don't approve of and i don't believe her to be that. i have the highest regard for anyone in the military (well except for the guy who attacked his own batallion).

and if she is being wrongly portrayed as something she's not, i guess i don't find it all that bad that it is in a positive light. i honestly don't know what happened that night or when she was "taken hostage" or any other day in iraq because i am not there and our media is much more guilty of spinning what is happening over there than our military-IMO. what i do know is that if in fact it was staged, it certainly makes those who "rescued" her look like asses. i prefer to run under the assumption the people who rescued her were going by an old tradition, leave no soldier behind. and i would love to see the unedited version if you know where i can find it.

i guess i just don't see what the big deal is about her being portrayed in a positive manner.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 12:17 pm
Saving Private Lynch story 'flawed'
By John Kampfner


Private Jessica Lynch was reportedly rescued after a tip-off

Private Jessica Lynch became an icon of the war, and the story of her capture by the Iraqis and her rescue by US special forces became one of the great patriotic moments of the conflict.

But her story is one of the most stunning pieces of news management ever conceived.

Private Lynch, a 19-year-old army clerk from Palestine, West Virginia, was captured when her company took a wrong turning just outside Nasiriya and was ambushed.

Nine of her comrades were killed and Private Lynch was taken to the local hospital, which at the time was swarming with Fedayeen. Eight days later US special forces stormed the hospital, capturing the "dramatic" events on a night vision camera.

They were said to have come under fire from inside and outside the building, but they made it to Lynch and whisked her away by helicopter.

There was no [sign of] shooting, no bullet inside her body, no stab wound

Reports claimed that she had stab and bullet wounds and that she had been slapped about on her hospital bed and interrogated.

But Iraqi doctors in Nasiriya say they provided the best treatment they could for the soldier in the midst of war. She was assigned the only specialist bed in the hospital and one of only two nurses on the floor.

"I examined her, I saw she had a broken arm, a broken thigh and a dislocated ankle," said Dr Harith a-Houssona, who looked after her.

Jessica amnesia

"There was no [sign of] shooting, no bullet inside her body, no stab wound - only road traffic accident. They want to distort the picture. I don't know why they think there is some benefit in saying she has a bullet injury."

Witnesses told us that the special forces knew that the Iraqi military had fled a day before they swooped on the hospital.

"We were surprised. Why do this? There was no military, there were no soldiers in the hospital," said Dr Anmar Uday, who worked at the hospital.

"It was like a Hollywood film. They cried 'go, go, go', with guns and blanks without bullets, blanks and the sound of explosions. They made a show for the American attack on the hospital - action movies like Sylvester Stallone or Jackie Chan."

There was one more twist. Two days before the snatch squad arrived, Harith had arranged to deliver Jessica to the Americans in an ambulance.

But as the ambulance, with Private Lynch inside, approached a checkpoint American troops opened fire, forcing it to flee back to the hospital. The Americans had almost killed their prize catch.

Some brave souls put their lives on the line to make this happen

SourceWhen footage of the rescue was released, General Vincent Brooks, US spokesman in Doha, said: "Some brave souls put their lives on the line to make this happen, loyal to a creed that they know that they'll never leave a fallen comrade."

The American strategy was to ensure the right television footage by using embedded reporters and images from their own cameras, editing the film themselves.

The Pentagon had been influenced by Hollywood producers of reality TV and action movies, notably the man behind Black Hawk Down, Jerry Bruckheimer.

Bruckheimer advised the Pentagon on the primetime television series "Profiles from the Front Line", that followed US forces in Afghanistan in 2001. That approached was taken on and developed on the field of battle in Iraq.

As for Private Lynch, her status as cult hero is stronger than ever. Internet auction sites list Jessica Lynch items, from an oil painting with an opening bid of $200 to a $5 "America Loves Jessica Lynch" fridge magnet.

But doctors now say she has no recollection of the whole episode and probably never will.
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dragon49
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 12:34 pm
maybe i am just the eternal optomist who likes to hear something good on the news every once in a while. she was hurt, captured by the enemy and we got her back. maybe we got her back when there was no real threat to her any more, but hey we got her back.

maybe they were just countering the negative spin the media has put on everything. again, i don't know why it is such a big deal, they portrayed her very positively.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 12:39 pm
Don't worry about it dragon49. To the left, a hero is nothing more than a sandwhich.
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dragon49
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 01:14 pm
i usually stay away from political commentary, but alas...this one drug me in and living in such a highly populated military setting, i felt compelled. thanks mcg...i am just tired of hearing nothing but bad stuff from over there. my ex-uncle (is now divorced from my aunt) sent me a few emails since he has been in iraq. his primary purpose is to help them set up their infrastructure and improve their school system. he tells me such wonderful stories about helping school kids, etc who would have never had the opportunity to go to school under sadam. i guess i just like the good stories better.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 01:22 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Don't worry about it dragon49. To the left, a hero is nothing more than a sandwhich.


Or maybe the left reserves the term "hero" for those who truly are. Seems these days if you phone 911 you're a hero for dialing those 3 numbers.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 01:24 pm
candidone1 wrote:
Is there an internet link available for the video?


I originally saw it on BBC Canada, then on BBC WorldNews. I'll poke around for an internet link tonight.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 01:49 pm
ehBeth wrote:
candidone1 wrote:
Is there an internet link available for the video?


I originally saw it on BBC Canada, then on BBC WorldNews. I'll poke around for an internet link tonight.


...appreciate it.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 01:51 pm
candidone1 wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Don't worry about it dragon49. To the left, a hero is nothing more than a sandwhich.


Or maybe the left reserves the term "hero" for those who truly are. Seems these days if you phone 911 you're a hero for dialing those 3 numbers.


The left idolizes those that strap a bomb to themselves and blow up buses of school children because they believe in something. That is their hero.

The right idolizes those that put bullets into those that strap bombs to themselves and blow up buses of school children That is our hero.

I know it's a slight difference, but it's a difference just the same.
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dragon49
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 01:54 pm
candidone1 wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Don't worry about it dragon49. To the left, a hero is nothing more than a sandwhich.


Or maybe the left reserves the term "hero" for those who truly are. Seems these days if you phone 911 you're a hero for dialing those 3 numbers.


and if your 911 call results in saving one person's life, how are you not a hero?
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 02:04 pm
McGentrix wrote:
The left idolizes those that strap a bomb to themselves and blow up buses of school children because they believe in something. That is their hero.

The right idolizes those that put bullets into those that strap bombs to themselves and blow up buses of school children That is our hero.

I know it's a slight difference, but it's a difference just the same.


well, that was your most pathetic smear to date.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 02:09 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Quote:
The left idolizes those that strap a bomb to themselves and blow up buses of school children because they believe in something. That is their hero.

The right idolizes those that put bullets into those that strap bombs to themselves and blow up buses of school children That is our hero.

I know it's a slight difference, but it's a difference just the same.


That is the most pathetic and insensitive thing that I have seen for some time now. Did you opine that all by yourself?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 10 Aug, 2005 02:23 pm
McGentrix wrote:
The left idolizes those that strap a bomb to themselves and blow up buses of school children because they believe in something. That is their hero.

The right idolizes those that put bullets into those that strap bombs to themselves and blow up buses of school children That is our hero.

I know it's a slight difference, but it's a difference just the same.

Beneath even your usual standards, McG.
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