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Should we handle victory the way the Christian god decrees?

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 01:41 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
If the man accepts the responsibility to make the final decision and screws it up, it is his fault. If he relinquishes the authority so that the woman makes the decision, and she screws it up, it is still his responsibility. (I'm only partially kidding here.)


I don't think that you are kidding at all. What you are saying sounds like how it actually was in the US until a few decades ago. I can remember when a woman could get out of jury duty, just because she was a woman. I remember when a woman of childbearing age could not get a mortgage with her husband based on both their salaries, (only his).

Over the last few decades, the laws have begun to catch up with the social realities. It sounds to me Foxfyre, that you would like to see the US go back to the time when women were barefoot, pregnant, and chained to the stove.

Don't you think that your attitude conflicts with the fact that you have a professional career? How are you able to run an important program, have a lot of authority, and then go home and "submit" to your husband?


You appear to be confusing civil law with what many Christians believe to be God's direction, Phoenix. The two can go hand in hand or be as wide apart as Venus and Pluto.

I have no problem 'submitting' to my husband whatsoever. It is rarely ever necessary, but in those rare circumstances in which we have discussed it, considered all the pros and cons, prayed about it, and consulted whatever appropriate resources are available, and we still cannot agree, all things being equal I am quite happy for him to make the final decision. If the issue is more important to me than it is to him, or I have the greater expertise, he will usually suggests that I should make the final decision. The choice is always mine. I give up no rights or pirvileges whatsoever. But as I have seen the positive results and benefits of doing it God's way, it is a choice I am happy to make.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 01:42 pm
Momma wrote:
If we have no problem with the way we are living, why do you (general) have a problem with it? Why is it that even though you (general, again) don't believe what we believe, you try to point out that we are not doing what we should be doing because of what we believe?


I have no problem with how you are living. IMO, each couple needs to find what is best for them. If you believe that your husband has the right to make the final decision in your house, that is none of my business.

What bothers me is that there are Christians who are attempting to change laws based on what they believe is best, and mandate other people on how to run their lives.

As far as I am concerned, "Live and let live".
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 01:43 pm
Who is mandating anything for anybody here?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 01:44 pm
Understood, Phoenix. Totally understood. Actually, I wasn't including you in that you. You seem to be a rather rare exception!
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 01:45 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
If the issue is more important to me than it is to him, or I have the greater expertise, he will usually suggests that I should make the final decision. The choice is always mine.


Now THAT sounds reasonable! Very Happy
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 01:45 pm
You have to remember, Momma. These are frightened people who have an inner need to attack anything religious or to do with Christianity. Nothing will change that. The need to put everything out of context and take the discussion to a different arena seems to be hard coded. I don't know about you, but I have seen a definite change in attitudes from when I did not post anything religious and after. Suddenly, you become a leper who might contaminate.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 01:46 pm
"Trying to change laws" when the laws are not to their liking is what people, Christian and non-Christian alike do. Are Christians substandard citizens who should not be allowed to speak their preferences and/or work to try to get them implemented? Everybody else can do that. Why is it somehow more sinister if Christians do it?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 01:49 pm
Intepid,

Is your avatar you? You sure were a little cutey!

Yes, I believe you are correct about some of those that attack rather than question. It's just a hard thing to grasp for me the fact that we try to live a good life and want good things and believe in God and it's so fought against. I know that's the way it has always been, but it's just hard for me to grasp it logically, if you know what I mean.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 01:53 pm
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The examples Dys has thrown out there are again mostly Old Testament things taken out of context.

As I read it jesus at no time rebuked the OT and, in fact, upheld it. YOu disagree? As far as "submit" goes, would you also disregard the interpretation if I said ' The dark skinned man shall "submit" to the fair skinned man'? Or, perhaps, your use of "submit" as varriable meanings.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 01:54 pm
Yes, it is me Momma. I cannot understand why folks would rather argue about an issue than discuss it. Probably because it is the only way they know how to play. You get asked a question - answer the question and all hell breaks loose.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 02:00 pm
Dyslexia Wrote:

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As I read it jesus at no time rebuked the OT and, in fact, upheld it. YOu disagree? As far as "submit" goes, would you also disregard the interpretation if I said ' The dark skinned man shall "submit" to the fair skinned man'? Or, perhaps, your use of "submit" as varriable meanings.


Actually Dys, submit does have more than one meaning. This is the one we are talking about

2 : to defer to or consent to abide by the opinion or authority of another
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 02:03 pm
Jesus did not exactly rebuke the Old Testament but he said quite plainly that he came to fulfill the requirements of the Law and it was later tha we understood what he meant by that. With his death, there was no longer any need to perform sacrifices as the OT law required. Later on, the Apostle Peter was given revelation that the people were no longer required to follow the kosher laws.

Jesus also pointed out some areas where the OT law had been misinterpreted by the Jews of his time, and both he and the Apostle Paul were very big on common sense when it came to discerning what was okay and not okay to do.

Those who try to trip up people of faith by plucking this verse or that passage or whatever out of the Bible simply do not understand what is actualy there or why.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 02:03 pm
dyslexia wrote:
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The examples Dys has thrown out there are again mostly Old Testament things taken out of context.

As I read it jesus at no time rebuked the OT and, in fact, upheld it. YOu disagree? As far as "submit" goes, would you also disregard the interpretation if I said ' The dark skinned man shall "submit" to the fair skinned man'? Or, perhaps, your use of "submit" as varriable meanings.


Didn't Jesus change the 10 commandments into just 2?

Just wondering what the colour of a man's skin has to do with anything. We are all created equal, after all. Would you not agree?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 02:05 pm
and here we go with the problem "interpretation" of the bible. It's no wonder we have zillions of protestant sects each with their very own "I have the right interpretation" everyone else just doesn't understand.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 02:11 pm
And here we go again throwing out that "I have the right interpretation" line again.

Dys, you don't have to agree with it. We are just answering your questions as to how we understand it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 02:12 pm
dys, They even have their own interpretation of "all." It seems christians can have exceptions when god speaks.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 02:14 pm
dyslexia wrote:
and here we go with the problem "interpretation" of the bible. It's no wonder we have zillions of protestant sects each with their very own "I have the right interpretation" everyone else just doesn't understand.


Zillions is a very big number. Is that literal, or an interpretation? (just kidding...couldn't help myself :-) )
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 02:15 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
dys, They even have their own interpretation of "all." It seems christians can have exceptions when god speaks.


Oh, good... you are back CI. Could you please now answer the question that was asked of you yesterday?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 02:17 pm
Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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dys, They even have their own interpretation of "all." It seems christians can have exceptions when god speaks.


What you pointed out WAS NOT God speaking.
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Implicator
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 02:19 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
dys, They even have their own interpretation of "all." It seems christians can have exceptions when god speaks.


So "all" means "all without exception" in every context it is used?

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