Should we handle victory the way the Christian god decrees?

"God is good to all..." and "I will dash them one against the other..." is simply a contradiction. There is no way to rationalize god's speech.

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So if you are talking about the Chicagos chances to win the World Series and say they will absolutely win......and in a different conversation you are talking about the Denver Bronco's chances to win the superbowl and say there is no way to say they will win.....is this a contradiction?

You have to know who the writers were talking about and what they were talking about. And there is the issue of poetic license when it comes to songs, too, and the intent of the psalmists in the words he chooses.

I say you have yet to show any contradiction at all unless you can pinpoint the subjects of each conversation.

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You may also want to read the rest of PSA 145 rather than just pick one line out of a chapter and use it to compare or count it as a contradiction.

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Yes, proof texting is the surest way to lose any argument re the Bible. Smile

But I'm thinking even C.I. might see how irrational his argument is here, even if you could do that. But maybe not. We'll see.

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Niver mind, CI. You are probably not up to the task, so I will do it for you.

In Psalm 145, David is praising God. If you skip along to the twentieth verse, you will see that it reads:
PSA 145:20 The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.

Now, could you point out the contradiction one more time?

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Hey, you guys are the defender of the bible, so it's up to you to show us why there is no contradiction. They are verses from the same bible. Please educate us.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Hey, you guys are the defender of the bible, so it's up to you to show us why there is no contradiction. They are verses from the same bible. Please educate us.

C.I.,

You are the one that said there are contradictions. You must show us the contradiction. It is up to you to prove your point.

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Better still, show this to your young child under 12 years old, and see how they interpret the two verses. A very simple 'test.'

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You just got two very good illustrations, C.I., which you have ignored.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Better still, show this to your young child under 12 years old, and see how they interpret the two verses. A very simple 'test.'

C.I.,

If a book says in chapter one, Joe says, "John hit Jim." And in Chapter two it says Joyce says, "Joe hit Jim." Is this a contradiction?

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"All" in the English language is usually interpreted to mean "the whole quantity or the greatest possible." It's not open for modification. It doesn't mean "except...."

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Better still, show this to your young child under 12 years old, and see how they interpret the two verses. A very simple 'test.'

Do you have a reading comprehension deficit? You have received your answer a couple of different ways. Do you still claim a contradiction? If so, explain what it is.

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C.I.,

It is two different people speaking about two different situations.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

"All" in the English language is usually interpreted to mean "the whole quantity or the greatest possible." It's not open for modification. It doesn't mean "except...."

If I give a verbal or written invitation, "all come", am I referring to the whole quantity or the greatest possible? Or am I referring to a specific group?

When you say 'they' will win and 'they' will lose, are you referring to everybody? Or specific teams that you have in mind?

Intrepid gave you the focus group of the Psalm. You ignored him because you picked out one verse and attached a meaning to it that was very different from the obvious meaning if you put it in context.

You cannot do that and be convincing.

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Foxfyre wrote:

Questioner wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
He who makes the claim is the one who should provide the proof. It isn't up to anybody else to do so.

The Christians would have us believe otherwise.

There is a fine line here. Christians who speak of their own experience do not have to provide proof. They are their own proof. Those who make claims outside of their own experience however, or those who make claims concerning others, shalll provide proof or will generally be considered to be whistling in the wind. (Proverb according to Foxfyre.)

This brings up an interesting point Foxfyre.

If I pray regarding something that is beyond my control to change, and I receive what I had asked for, I need no evidence from anyone else's experience, nor their agreement or approval to know what I have experienced.

Someone asks: Could this be coincidence? When it happens repeatedly, all but the most biased would have to admit that the odds of coincidence after coincidence soon begin to be prohibitive.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

"All" in the English language is usually interpreted to mean "the whole quantity or the greatest possible." It's not open for modification. It doesn't mean "except...."

So, you are interpreting the meaning of words in the bible in English that have already been interpreted to English and you claim to know exactly what the interpretation is, or should be?

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Again, it says "God is good to all..." All does not have exceptions. You are talking about exceptions. If there are exceptions, god should have said, "God is good to some..." Then, what follows makes some sense.

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War or Peace?

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Again, it says "God is good to all..." All does not have exceptions. You are talking about exceptions. If there are exceptions, god should have said, "God is good to some..." Then, what follows makes some sense.

CI,

God did not write those verses!!!! You can come up with as much mumbo jumbo that you want, but you cannot provide a reasonable argument to your original contradiction post.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

War or Peace?

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

Not until we resolve the first one!

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