Should we handle victory the way the Christian god decrees?

Now where in the heck is Momma Angel with her congrats to you for explaining a point so well?

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Now where in the heck is Momma Angel with her congrats to you for explaining a point so well?

I am right here little one. I have about 12 things going on at the same time and am having a bit of trouble keeping up.

Intrepid,

I do have to admit, what you wrote does make very good sense. But, I believe we should keep God where He has been all this time (i.e., In God We Trust, One Nation Under God, etc.). But, that's my opinion.

I just wish someone could tell me what is so offensive by the Ten Commandments being in a courthouse? How in the world does it effect your life directly? Have you ever gone to that courthouse?

Would you also like to stop people from saying grace before they eat their meal in a restaurant? It doesn't bother me if you don't do it so why should it bother you if I do?

I did tell you what was offensive about the Ten Commandments being in a court house. Did you not read my post here?

Four of the commandments are in conflict with the laws of the USA. Did you check the links in that post? Why on earth do you feel it so important to put your religious symbol in a court of law? If you want to abide by one version or the other of the commandments you are free to do so.

Huge strawman alert! I have never suggested nor heard of anyone else making such a ridiculous suggestion either in a private restaurant or public place including schools.

Once again you've dismissed my response without a lick of substance to support your claim. You say these passages are people thanking God for healing, babies, etc. and that somehow each is not an act of God.

Earth calling Frank...Earth calling Frank...

How do you get that???? The verses are clear..."God healed...", "God sent...", etc.

If we have people in political office that are doing God's will and not their own, then I believe we'd be a lot better off.

I was brought up with the pledge of allegiance said every morning in homeroom.

A small aside --- The U.S. has a president who is apparently a devout Christian. Do you think he is doing God's will?

Well I learned The Pledge of Allegience the original way and then had to relearn it the new way when it was changed to add "under God" in 1954.

It is not something that has always been there as you stated in an earlier post.

Yes, I read your post. I guess I am not really understanding what you mean about symbolism?

I am speaking of the Ten Commandments in the Bible.

Four of the commandments are in conflict with the laws of the USA. Did you check the links in that post? Why on earth do you feel it so important to put your religious symbol in a court of law? If you want to abide by one version or the other of the commandments you are free to do so.

Could you tell me what four commandments ae in conflict with the laws of the USA? Mesquite, let me try to explain. I believe that if a person is doing God's will then the rightness of that will show through in every aspect of their lives. It's as simple as that. If we have people in political office that are doing God's will and not their own, then I believe we'd be a lot better off.

Huge strawman alert! I have never suggested nor heard of anyone else making such a ridiculous suggestion either in a private restaurant or public place including schools.

Nor did I mean to suggest that you did. I am just saying, why can you not just ignore that the Ten Commandments are hanging in that building? I don't see what harm they have done all this time being there.

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If we have people in political office that are doing God's will and not their own, then I believe we'd be a lot better off.

People in political office should be doing the will of the people. As I mentioned before, as long as God's laws are not being transgressed, we must support our governments.

A small aside --- The U.S. has a president who is apparently a devout Christian. Do you think he is doing God's will?

That is the reason I asked if you read the links. It would be easier if you just read the short article. I has pictures that help make the point.

Do you have a reference for where ten commandments are listed as such? There are at least three main versions for Hebrew, Catholic, and Protestant. Once again I provided a link to illustrate the point. It is much easier to view the graphic there.

"1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

Ignoring this, our government has not outlawed Hinduism. That's understandable, since the First Amendment directly contradicts the First Commandment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

"2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them..."

The first amendment does not allow us to create laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

"3. You shall not take the name of the Lord, your God, in vain."

We have repealed our blasphemy laws, which discriminated against non-Christian religions. Our free-speech laws directly contradict this Commandment. See first amendment.

"4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:"

Same as above, would be a violation of the first amendment.

If by "that building" you mean the Kentucky court house case that went to the Supreme Court this past March, they had not been hanging all that long. They were put up in 1999 primarily as a provocation and sparked litigation almost immediately.

Frankly, I really do not understand this in your face mentality that the right is displaying about their religion. I feel it is the cause of much of the current divisiveness we are experiencing.

slkshock7,
You will find, as you no doubt already have, that Frank will only accept what Frank wants to accept. He thinks on a different plane than most of us and just as God said "I change not"....so does Frank

.27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
.29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.
30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
.31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.
32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.