Intrepid wrote:That was because Christians were persecuted in those days just as they are today.
Momma Angel wrote:And always will be.
Would either of you two care to expound on the persecution you have been subjected to as a result of being a Christian?
cicerone imposter wrote:"Now don't make the mistake of thinking the Bible is a history book."
What more needs to be said?
The kind of response one would expect. Read one line and jump on it.
cicerone imposter wrote:"...and I have a right to lobby for what laws I want. It's called democracy."
So it's your admission that you bible-thumpers do make every effort to impose your religious beliefs to all citizens irregardless of our own beliefs?
You call it "democracy." I call it religious imposition in a country that's supposed to protect us from tyrany of the majority on such matters in accordance with our Constitution and our Bill of Rights.
You don't understand anything about "democracy."
Um, who are you responding to? I do wish you would learn to use the quote function effectively.
mesquite wrote:
Was that clap in honor of Snood baring his fanny once more?
No, it was in honour of snood making a post that made sense. I don't expect you to understand that.
mesquite wrote:Intrepid wrote:That was because Christians were persecuted in those days just as they are today.
Momma Angel wrote:And always will be.
Would either of you two care to expound on the persecution you have been subjected to as a result of being a Christian?
Do you need to read further than posts from you, Frank and CI?
Intrepid wrote:mesquite wrote:
Was that clap in honor of Snood baring his fanny once more?
No, it was in honour of snood making a post that made sense. I don't expect you to understand that.
Snood wrote:The uncomplicated bottom line is that faith can't be proved or disproved, so in a way it is extraneous to these discussions no matter what kind of sophistry comes attached.
Yep, that was brilliant all right, and the threat at the end was a nice touch.
Intrepid wrote:Frank Apisa wrote:Momma Angel wrote:Cicerone Imposter:
Quote:When you christians stop to make every effort to impose your religious' beliefs on me and my fellow brothers and sisters, I will be at peace with everyone.
Well, may I suggest then if you don't want to hear about our Christian beliefs that you do not engage in the threads concerning Spirituality & Religion?
It seems to me that you think it is perfectly all right to state what you do and do not believe but "us Christians" are not afforded the same right?
Cicerone Imposter Wrote:
Quote:Yes, join forces to fight for equal rights for all Americans. Don't try to impose christian religious beliefs on all Americans. Religious freedom also means freedom from religion.
You seem to forget that our country was founded on Christian beliefs. And so religious freedom for you would mean that I don't have the right to voice my religious beliefs?
I want prayer in school and let's say you don't, so that means I shouldn't be able to do it?
Well...Jesus said that it was not seemly to pray in public. He suggested going to your room and shutting the door...so the only one knowing you were praying...would be god.
But what the hell does it matter to a Christian what Jesus said.
That was because Christians were persecuted in those days just as they are today.
What was "because Christians were persecuted in those days????"
snood wrote:It is remarkable how acceptable the levels of bile seem to be, as long as it is aimed at persons professing some kind of faith.
The uncomplicated bottom line is that faith can't be proved or disproved, so in a way it is extraneous to these discussions no matter what kind of sophistry comes attached. The "religious" people aren't the ones starting threads with those "last time you beat your wife" questions, baiting people, and trying to pass it off as some kind of intellectual discourse.
The religious people, although they are getting blamed for all the ills of the world here in the confines of this happy forum, aren't the ones here who are mounting attacks. They are parrying thrusts coming from these...what? Intelligent people, concerned that mankind is deceived by religion? Overaged adolescents who like to bully the weird old Christians? I don't really know how to characterize what I see here. But none of you big bad cybertough guys could talk to me the way you talk to certain ones here, if we were face-to-face. And that's not something I just "believe", or "guess". I know that. And if the truth were told, I think all you keyboard badasses know it, too.
Oh my....aren't we tough!
Gosh...I am so impressed!
Since your god suggests we slaughter all male inhabitants of land's we conquer and enslave all the women and children...my question for you poor picked-upon, persecuted Christians is...
...do you agree with your god? Is that the way we should handle our victories over adversaries?
Or is asking a question like this "persecuting you?"
mesquite wrote:Intrepid wrote:mesquite wrote:
Was that clap in honor of Snood baring his fanny once more?
No, it was in honour of snood making a post that made sense. I don't expect you to understand that.
Snood wrote:The uncomplicated bottom line is that faith can't be proved or disproved, so in a way it is extraneous to these discussions no matter what kind of sophistry comes attached.
Yep, that was brilliant all right, and the threat at the end was a nice touch.
I did not see any threat. Perhaps your paranoia sees a comment as a threat.
Frank Apisa wrote:Intrepid wrote:Frank Apisa wrote:Momma Angel wrote:Cicerone Imposter:
Quote:When you christians stop to make every effort to impose your religious' beliefs on me and my fellow brothers and sisters, I will be at peace with everyone.
Well, may I suggest then if you don't want to hear about our Christian beliefs that you do not engage in the threads concerning Spirituality & Religion?
It seems to me that you think it is perfectly all right to state what you do and do not believe but "us Christians" are not afforded the same right?
Cicerone Imposter Wrote:
Quote:Yes, join forces to fight for equal rights for all Americans. Don't try to impose christian religious beliefs on all Americans. Religious freedom also means freedom from religion.
You seem to forget that our country was founded on Christian beliefs. And so religious freedom for you would mean that I don't have the right to voice my religious beliefs?
I want prayer in school and let's say you don't, so that means I shouldn't be able to do it?
Well...Jesus said that it was not seemly to pray in public. He suggested going to your room and shutting the door...so the only one knowing you were praying...would be god.
But what the hell does it matter to a Christian what Jesus said.
That was because Christians were persecuted in those days just as they are today.
What was "because Christians were persecuted in those days????"
You don't remember what you write anymore? It is right there on the screen Frank. Look very closely.
Frank Apisa wrote:Since your god suggests we slaughter all male inhabitants of land's we conquer and enslave all the women and children...my question for you poor picked-upon, persecuted Christians is...
...do you agree with your god? Is that the way we should handle our victories over adversaries?
Or is asking a question like this "persecuting you?"
Over one third of the world population are Christian. You do not see men slaughtered and women and children enslaved. What is the point of your question? It appears obvious by what is evident in the world.
Snood,
I would like to apologize to you. While you and our brave troops are sacrificing your lives for our freedom, we have those that would use that freedom to distort democracy and the constitution. I am embarrassed that this is the case. Your sacrifice means more to me than that.
Now, there have been quite a few postings since I went to sleep last night. And it has all boiled down to one thing.
The non-believers think Christians impose their religious beliefs upon them when the Christians are exercising their constitutional rights and voicing those beliefs.
The Christians keep telling the non-believers that we are not imposing, just answering questions.
It was flat out stated to me that (i.e.,) unless us religious bigots join forces with the non-believers... we are denying the non-believers their constitutional rights.
It's perfectly ok for non-believers to trash our God and our beliefs. It's perfectly ok for non-believers to use foul language and racial slurs. And I find it so sad that not one of the non-believers in this forum said one thing to Frank about his racial slur. Even after it was pointed out to him, he did it again!
But, if a Christian offers support, applauds, etc., another Christian's post, it quickly becomes a finger pointing match.
There seems to be a double standard rearing it's ugly head here. Is this the way our children are being raised today? If it is, no wonder they are so confused and angry. Aren't we supposed to teach by example?
I have tried numerous times to mediate and say, "let's find a compromise," let's cool off. It only seems to add fuel to the fire. I do not need to really point out any particular posters here. We all know what responsibility we have. It's just a matter of owning it.
Christians are not perfect. None of us have claimed to be. The non-believers have asked us questions and we have done our best to answer them. However, our answers are responded to with scorn and persecution. And yes, you can consider what has been done as persecution.
And Frank, if you will go back, you will see that I did answer your original question in this thread.
Momma Angel wrote:It's perfectly ok for non-believers to trash our God and our beliefs. It's perfectly ok for non-believers to use foul language and racial slurs. And I find it so sad that not one of the non-believers in this forum said one thing to Frank about his racial slur. Even after it was pointed out to him, he did it again!
I agree with you that racial slurs have no place in these forums. That said I find it a bit disingenuous that you criticize others for not speaking up when you remain silent yourself. Seeing as it was you that resurrected an old thread that may have been the origin of the slurs being passed between these two, you cannot claim to be ignorant of this post.
Snood wrote: You put on all these intellectual airs, but your true nature is revealed when you say what a "kick" you're getting out of what you perceive as my frustration. Whatever turns your crank. You get a "kick" out of me; I just think you're another arrogant white man with a warped idea of his own importance.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=283252#283252
Momma Angel wrote: But, if a Christian offers support, applauds, etc., another Christian's post, it quickly becomes a finger pointing match.
What redeeming quality do you see in that latest demonstration of muscle flexing? It is just another off topic rant deflecting the discussion, and yes, I realize that this one is also.
Actually Mesquite, I stated about that (arrogant white man) thread that it was never okay to use the race card. And if you will notice, I use "we" when trying to mediate and calm things down.
And all this muscle flexing does no one good. That's my point. Why do it?
Intrepid wrote:Frank Apisa wrote:Intrepid wrote:Frank Apisa wrote:Momma Angel wrote:Cicerone Imposter:
Quote:When you christians stop to make every effort to impose your religious' beliefs on me and my fellow brothers and sisters, I will be at peace with everyone.
Well, may I suggest then if you don't want to hear about our Christian beliefs that you do not engage in the threads concerning Spirituality & Religion?
It seems to me that you think it is perfectly all right to state what you do and do not believe but "us Christians" are not afforded the same right?
Cicerone Imposter Wrote:
Quote:Yes, join forces to fight for equal rights for all Americans. Don't try to impose christian religious beliefs on all Americans. Religious freedom also means freedom from religion.
You seem to forget that our country was founded on Christian beliefs. And so religious freedom for you would mean that I don't have the right to voice my religious beliefs?
I want prayer in school and let's say you don't, so that means I shouldn't be able to do it?
Well...Jesus said that it was not seemly to pray in public. He suggested going to your room and shutting the door...so the only one knowing you were praying...would be god.
But what the hell does it matter to a Christian what Jesus said.
That was because Christians were persecuted in those days just as they are today.
What was "because Christians were persecuted in those days????"
You don't remember what you write anymore? It is right there on the screen Frank. Look very closely.
Well...I've now read it three times...and I still have no idea of what in hell you are talking about.
Momma even has a "Jewish friend."
Intrepid wrote:Frank Apisa wrote:Since your god suggests we slaughter all male inhabitants of land's we conquer and enslave all the women and children...my question for you poor picked-upon, persecuted Christians is...
...do you agree with your god? Is that the way we should handle our victories over adversaries?
Or is asking a question like this "persecuting you?"
Over one third of the world population are Christian. You do not see men slaughtered and women and children enslaved. What is the point of your question? It appears obvious by what is evident in the world.
So you are saying that we should simply disregard the insturctions your god gave us for how to deal with victory.
Why don't you just say that?
Why the bullshyt?
cicerone imposter wrote:Momma even has a "Jewish friend."
Is this a racial slur? I'm surprised at you CI.
