Churches have been LYING about Christ for 2K years!

It was Jesus Who was 100 percent God and 100 percent man.

In response to my question; "Was it your God from who, originated the words; "Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up?" or was it the man Jesus, the earthly Temple of the Lord God our saviour, which earthly Temple was filled with the spirit of the Lord on the day that he was baptised by his mothers cousin, 'John the Baptist'? You answered as seen below.



John 14: 24; “And the word which you hear is not mine, but ‘THE’ Fathers who sent me. Not “MY Father” but ‘THE’ Father of us all: “Our Father who is in heaven.”

As God created only one man and one woman and all mankind has descended from that first man, then anything that is not a genetic descendant of that one and only man, cannot be 100% man.

And you are now making the claim that your 100% man 'Jesus' raised his own body from the grave are you?

Whose spirit was it who descended upon Jesus in the form of a dove on the Day He was baptised?

How many 100% humans has God risen from death to eternal life by his side?

Acts 17: 30-31; God has overlooked the times when people did not know him, but now he commands all of them everywhere to turn away from their evil ways. 31For he has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a 'MAN' he has 'CHOSEN'. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that 'MAN' from death!”

Who is the "MAN" referred to here, the 'MAN' God raised from death, and through whom the Lord God our saviour will judge the whole world with Justice?

So let me ask you once again; "Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus, the temple of the Lord, which had been filled by the spirit=information=words of the Lord who had descended upon him in the form of a dove? “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?”

They were the words that Jesus was commanded to say by “Who I Am,” who raised the body of Jesus, the earthly temple, which had been filled with his spirit.

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.

Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord God our saviour) has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

Deuteronomy 18:18-19; YHVH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed MY WORDS, which he shall speak in MY NAME, I will punish, etc.

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when, concerning the man Jesus, he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised Moses that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

Jesus spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by the Lord God our savior.

John 5: 24; "Whoever hears my words, (Which were the Words of YHVH/Who I Am, that he commanded the man that he had chosen from among the people, to speak in his name) and believes in “HIM” who sent me, has eternal life.

Although the scriptures refer to Mary Magdalene as the sister to Mary the mother of Jesus, it is unlikely that two girls in the same family would be called Mary. Besides that Mary the mother of Jesus was likely born in Jerusalem the home town of her mother Anna/Hanna, while Mary Magdalene is believed to have been born in the northern town of Magdala, in the region where most of the miracles of the Lord God our savior were performed through his servant Jesus, who is reported to have driven seven demons out of Mary of Magdala. See John 19: 25, Luke 8:,1-3, and Mark 16: 9.

By saying that the scriptures refer to Mary Magdalene as the sister to Mary the mother of Jesus, I expected to stir those who believe the false teachings of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, that there were actually three women at the cross of Jesus by the name Mary, into a debate on the subject, but apparently they are content to believe the lie.

The Evangelists wrote in Greek rather than in Hebrew...at that time only the capital letters of the Greek alphabet were used in writing, without diacritics, punctuation, or separation between words. Lower case letters appeared only in the ninth century, together with spacing between words. Punctuation marks were introduced only with the invention of the printing press in the 15th century. The present separations of chapters were introduced by Cardinal Hugo in the 13th century.

“Woman without her man is nothing,” But without punctuation, what is being said here? “Woman without her man, is nothing;” or “Woman! Without her, man is nothing.”

The erroneous punctuation which was added by the Roman church of Emperor Constantine in the 15th century, which makes it appear that there were actually three women at the cross by the name Mary, does not reflect the truth as revealed in the scriptures, and that is, that there were only two women by the name ‘MARY’ at the cross of Jesus, and they were his mother and his mother’s sister, or sister-in-law (Who are) Mary the wife of Cleophas and Mary Magdalene.

John 19: 25-27; Standing close to Jesus' cross were his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas/Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. Jesus saw his mother and the disciple he loved standing there; so he said to his mother, “He is your son.”
Then he said to the disciple, “She is your mother.” From that time the disciple took her to live in his home.

Only two women at the cross by the name Mary.

Why, while hanging on the cross, did Jesus entrust his mother into the care of his beloved disciple John, who he had surnamed "Son of Thunder," when his mother had a husband, and four other male members in her family?

Matthew 13:55-56; "Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't his mother's name Mary, and aren't his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren't all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?"

Did John, the beloved disciple, have his own home, or was he still living in the home of his mother Salome, the eldest of the sisters of Jesus?

On the cross, Jesus cried out, “My God, my God, why have you abandoned me," as he gave up his spirit and the indwelling spiritual Enoch, the first to be released from the brilliant Simulacrum at the ends of time, which is the sacrifice that God has prepared for us, ceased to be an individual entity, as the graves of the spirits, of who he was their compilation, and by whom he had evolved, up until the birth of Jesus his earthly duplication, were opened, and three days later, they, [The body of Christ the anointed one] came out of their graves and entered the city of Jerusalem, where they showed themselves as the risen body of Christ, ‘The Anointed One.’ see post #7,202,638.

Matthew 27: 52, And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that slept arose. Verse 53, And three days later [On the day of the resurrection,] came out of the graves and went into the Holy city and appeared to many.

One would expect the risen body of (The anointed one) to appear to the family of Jesus first, and this is exactly what we see.

The first to see one of they, who were of the body of the risen Christ, the 365 day old unblemished Lamb, the sacrificial offering prepared for us by God, were Mary the wife of Cleophas and her [sister-in-law] Mary Magdalene, who, although looking straight at him, didn't recognise him as Jesus, but thought that he was the gardener, until he spoke her name.

Luke 24: 13-35; The next, to who one of the risen body of Christ appeared, were the carpenter ‘Cleophas’ who is also called Alphaeus, and his son Simon/Simeon a brother of Jesus, who was to inherit the Episcopal throne of the church of the circumcision after 'James the righteous,' was killed at the instigation of the same Sadducee sect that had Jesus, the brother to James, killed.

Although Cleophas and Simon walked and talked with one of the risen body of Christ for some kilometres to the small town of Emmaus, they did not recognise him for who he was, until Simon saw the manner in which he broke the bread and his eyes were opened.

Cleophas and his companion, then returned to Jerusalem, where the disciples, which included Simon Peter and Simon the Patriot, the only two of the twelve disciples by the name Simon, were cowering in a darkened room.

Luke 24: 33; states that there were only 11 disciples present in the room that night, while John 20: 19 to 25; Reveals that one of the twelve, who was absent that evening when Jesus first appeared to his disciples, was Thomas Didymus Jude another brethren of Jesus, the one who was called the Twin, although nowhere does the bible say that he was an actual twin or whether he just held a striking resemblance to someone else, perhaps one with who he shared a common grandfather, ‘Alexander Helios.’

But back to Cleophas the husband of Mary, who said to the disciples, who would have opened the door for him, "He has risen, he appeared to Simon," who was of course Simon the son of Cleophas and brethren to Jesus, and the one who succeeded ‘James the younger’ as the head of the church founded by their brother Jesus.

It was then that a figure appeared in that dimly lit room in the form that they recognised as Jesus, the following week, Jesus appeared in the locked room, where this time, Thomas who was called the ‘TWIN’ was with the other disciples.

Luke here, reveals that Jesus did not appear to his disciples, which included Simon Peter and Simon the patriot, until after Cleophas had said to them; “He has risen, he appeared to Simon,” who was not Simon Peter or Simon the patriot.

And yet, 1 Corinthians 15:5; states that Jesus appeared to Cephas first, and then to the Twelve, which appears to contradict the scriptures that state the first males to who Jesus had appeared, were Cleophas and his traveling companion, Simeon.

Did Paul, get it wrong, or did Paul originally say that Jesus appeared to Simon first, and then to the Twelve, and later translators of Paul’s letters, were to misinterpret Paul’s “Simon” to mean Simon Peter, also called Cephas?

See John 21: 1 to 12; Then there were the seven disciples who were fishing on Lake Galilee having no success at all, when someone on the bank told them to throw their net on the right side of the boat in which they caught 153 fishes, later on while sitting down to eat with the person who had a fire prepared with fish on it and some bread, not one of the seven disciples of Jesus who had walked and talked with him, dared to ask who he was, but they understood that he was of the risen body of Christ. Even when he ascended up into heaven as a cloud, some of the 11 disciples doubted that it was he.

No questions? Looks like all biblical students are in agreement so far, will continue at a later date.

Simeon a brother to Jesus who succeeded James to the Episcopal throne of the church of the circumcision, was himself, succeeded by 13 other Bishops of the circumcision, among who, several others, like Simeon and James, appear to have been blood relatives of Jesus. In 132 AD, with the second Jewish revolt, the line was extinguished. Epiphanius of Salamis, in his Panarion, mentions Judah Kyriakos, the great grandson of Jude, as the last Jewish Bishop of Jerusalem that lived beyond Bar Kokhba’s revolt.

As said previously, it was not uncommon for men of Galilee in those days to carry three names, one in Hebrew, one in Greek, and one in Aramaic.

‘Alexander Helios III=Heli,’ who was an heir to the throne of King David and was murdered at the command of Herod the Great, had sired Joseph ben Heli the biological father of Jesus, and He [Heli] would have been seen as a father of renowned.

Joseph ben Heli, the biological father of Jesus, was the son of Alexander Helios/Heli a father of renowned who was murdered by Herod the Great in 13 BC. Cleophas, the Masculine form of Cleopatra, is the Greek, meaning: “Of a renowned father,” and Alphaeus, is the Aramaic of the same meaning: “Of a renowned father.”

In Young’ s Analytical Concordance Subject Guide, Clopas and Alphaeus are said to be one and the same person: From the Subject Guide; “Cleophas, husband of Mary, also called Alphaeus.”

Alphaeus is the father of 'James the Younger' the brother of Jesus, born of the same womb..

Thomas=Tau’ma, the Aramaic for twin, is also called Didymus, which is the Greek for twin, he is Thomas/twin, Didymus/twin, Jude, the brother of Jesus and the son of the carpenter. A local tradition of eastern Syria identifies the Apostle Jude with Jude Thomas who was called ‘The Twin’ also known as Thomas (Aramaic), Didymus (Greek), and Jude (Hebrew.)

Knowing that in ART, Thomas Didymus Jude, the son of Joseph/Alphaeus/Cleophas, is depicted with a, carpenter’s rule and square, we must ask who is the carpenter that is mentioned in Matthew 13: 55?

In "The Acts of Thomas, sometimes called by its full name, "The Acts of Judas Thomas," 2nd-3rd century CE, "The Apostles cast lots as to where they should go, and to Thomas, brother to Jesus fell India. Thomas was taken to King Goddophares the ruler of Indo-Pathian Kingdom as an architect and carpenter by Habban.”

Thomas=Tau’ma, the Aramaic for twin, is also called Didymus, which is the Greek for twin, is Thomas/twin, Didymus/twin, Jude, the brother of Jesus and the son of the carpenter.

Excerpts from “The Acts of Thomas-Wikipedia.”
Acts of Thomas is a series of episodic Acts (Latin passio) that occurred during the evangelistic mission of Judas Thomas ("Judas the Twin") to India. It ends with his martyrdom: he dies pierced with spears, having earned the ire of the monarch Misdaeus (Vasudeva I) because of his conversion of Misdaeus' wives and a relative, Charisius. He was imprisoned while converting Indian followers won through the performing of miracles.

Thomas is often referred to by his name Judas (his full name is Thomas Judas Didymus), since both Thomas and Didymus just mean twin, and several scholars believe that twin is just a description, and not intended as a name. The manuscripts end "The acts of Judas Thomas the apostle are completed, which he did in India, fulfilling the commandment of him that sent him. Unto whom be glory, world without end. Amen."

Jude, the brother of the Lord according to the flesh, both having the same father, Joseph-Cleophas-Alphaeus, who was the son of Alexander Helios/Heli, was called the apostle of many names, as he was also called Thaddaeus and Lebbeaus, the Greek and Aramaic words for ‘COURAGEOUS’. So, Jude the brother of the Lord is the ‘COURAGEOUS’ apostle called ‘The Twin,’ and he should not be confused with the apostle whose actual name was ‘Thomas.’

To be continued.

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Did the fact that Judas Iscariot, the 12th chosen disciple (See Matt 10: 1-4, Mark 3: 13-19, and Luke 6: 12-16.) was destined to be lost, have anything to do with Benjamin the 12th tribe of Israel being lost when that tribe was killed by his eleven brother tribes?

The 13th tribe of Dan had no involvement in the slaughter of his brother Benjamin.

Acts 2: 23; “In accordance with 'HIS OWN PLAN' God had already decided that Jesus would be handed over to you; and you killed him by letting sinful men crucify him.

It has been thought by some, that Judas, who was predestined to be lost, did not commit suicide, but like Benjamin, who was killed by his eleven brother tribes, (Judah, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, and Joseph=Ephraim) Judas, who was destined to be lost and had fulfilled God’s plan to have Jesus handed over to the Jewish authorities who then used the Romans as their weapon to kill him, perhaps could have been lifted up upon a tree by his eleven brother disciples.

I often wonder, if the devout Christian, who sees Judas as the epitome of evil, were able to mentally descend through time and merge with the mind of Judas on the night of the last supper, would they try to stop Judas from committing his act of betrayal, or, if sensing his resolve to betray Jesus to the authorities was beginning to falter, and knowing that this was the plan of God, would they do all in their power to strengthen that resolve and thereby become an accessory to the act of Judas, as was Satan, who entered Judas on that night?

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The famous biblical 13, were Jesus, Peter and his brother Andrew, James and his brother John the sons of Zebedee, Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the tax collector, James (The brother of Jesus) the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus who is Thomas Jude the twin, Simon the Patriot, and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Jesus.

There are 13 tribes of Israel, see Numbers 1. First there is the tribe of Levi, to which Moses and Aaron belong, then the other 12 tribes; “Reuben, Simeon, Gad, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Ephraim, Manasseh, Benjamin, Asher, Naphtali, and the Tribe of Dan ( Hebrew: דָּן ), meaning, "Judge."

John 5:22; the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, etc.

Why, in Revelation 7: 5-8; of the chosen 144,000, 12,000 each from 12 of the 13 tribes of Israel, are there none chosen from the tribe of Dan, meaning “Judge?”

No questions yet?

Just one. Been wondering about this for a long time but never had time to sit down and research it.

I read the term '12 tribes of Israel' all the time in the Bible but I don’t know much about their origin. When and how were the tribes formed? Were they just the ancestors of various families or citizens of particular cities/states or ? What was the significance of them and what differentiated them?

Sorry that I have been so long winded in responding, but it’s fire season up here in North Queensland, and the rural Fire Brigade are asking that we clear our fire breaks and generally prepare for what could be another bad year, we lost many good fruit trees in the last fire a few years back, and I don’t want a repeat performance.

Yes! The 12 tribes take their names from the 12 Patriarchs, or the 12 Sons of Jacob who was given the new name “Israel” by the Lord God our saviour, (See Genesis 35:10; King James Version; And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.

And the 12 Sons of Israel in order of their age, are, Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, these four were born to Leah, Because Rachel had not borne any children to Jacob she gave to him her hand-maid Bilhah, who bore his fifth son ‘DAN’, Bilhah then became pregnant again and bore Jacob’s sixth son ‘Naphtali’.

Realising that she had ceased to bear children Leah gave her hand maid ‘Zilpah; to Jacob who then became pregnant and bore Jacob a seventh son who she named Gad, later Zilpah bore him an eighth son who she names Asher.

Leah was then taken into the bed of Jacob again and was to bear another two sons to him, “Issachar, Jacob’s ninth son and Zebulun his 10th son, and his twin sister ‘Dinah’.

Then God felt sorry for Rachel and she became pregnant and bore Joseph, the 11th son of Jacob in the year that he left Laban and returned to the land in which he was born, where 12 years later his 12th and last son, “Benjamin” was born.

Because Leah is the number one wife of Jacob her six sons receive the first six blessing of Jacob, see Genesis 49: 1-28. You will notice that Dan, who is the 5th born son of Jacob receives the seventh Blessing, and in Joshua 19: 40; he received the seventh allotment of land in the promised Kingdom, but we will return to this later.

The tribal inheritance always passes down through the firstborn son, unless he offends his father and loses the rights of firsts born as did Reuben, who defiled his fathers bed by having intercourse with Bilhah, his father’s concubine, the blessing of firstborn was then Given to Joseph the 11th son of Jacob, Esau also lost the rights of firstborn to his brother Jacob, and if the tribal head has no sons, his eldest daughter, the firstborn, becomes the progenitor of his male descendants.

It was the custom in those days for the daughters of a sonless father to marry their cousin or second cousin, in order to bear male descendants to carry on their father’s name. Eleazar, the brother of Kish and grand-son of Marari the third son of Levi, died without ever siring a son, his daughters all married their cousins, the sons of Kish, see 1 Chronicles 23: 22.

At this point I don’t want to delve too deep into the fact that the firstborn daughter of a sonless father was given the appellation ‘BEN’, which means male descendant, [son, grandson or male descendant,] in that she is the source of her father’s male descendants. But for now, I’ll just give an example or two.

1 Chronicles 6: 1-3; Levi had three sons: Gershon, Kohath, and Merari. Kohath, had four sons: Amram, ‘IZHAR,’ Hebron, and Uzziel.

Amram, the firstborn of Kohath had two sons, Aaron and Moses, and one daughter, Miriam. But it is ‘IZHAR’ the second born son of Kohath, who died sonless that I wish to concentrate on here.

Good News Christian Bible, 1 Chronicles, 23: 18, reads; Kohath's second son, Izhar, ‘had a SON,’ Shelomith, the head of the clan. The Hebrew bible, 1 Chronicles 23: 18; also reads; The SONS of Izhar: Shelomith the chief, etc.

Both the Christian and Hebrew bibles refer to ‘Shelomith’ as the ‘SON’ of Izhar, and father of Korah.

But Shelomith, is the daughter of the sonless Izhar, and she was the progenitor of the male descendants of her father, she was not ‘HIS SON.’

Shelomith united with Aminadab the father-in-law to Aaron, to who she bore the grandson Korah for her father ‘IZHAR’.

Shelomith, is a female name. Shelomith was the daughter of Dedri, and mother to the man, who in Leviticus 24: 11; was stoned to death for blaspheming the name of the Lord in the wilderness in the days of Moses.
Shelomith is also the daughter of Zerubbabel see 1 Chronicles 3: 19; “Zerubbabel was the father of two sons, Meshullam and Hananiah, and one daughter, Shelomith.

Amram, the firstborn of Kohath, was the father of Miriam, Aaron and Moses, AMRAM is the father of the priestly Line of Levi, while IZHAR the second born of Kohath, was the one through who Kohath’ generations would be counted.

1 Chronicles 6: 22-24; These are the descendants of Kohath from generation to generation: AMMINADAB, Korah, Assir, Elkanah, Ebiasaph, Assir, Tahath, Uriel, Uzziah, Shaul.

Exodus 6: 24; Assir, is the firstborn of Korah the son of Amminadab from the tribe of Judah who is the father-in-law to Aaron, and the husband of Miriam the cousin of Shelomith, who is the daughter of Izhar the son of Kohath.

Good News Christian Bible, 1 Chronicles, 23: 18, reads; Kohath's second son, Izhar, ‘had a SON,’ Shelomith, the head of the clan. Hebrew bible, 1 Chronicles 23: 18; also reads; The SONS of Izhar: Shelomith the chief. Both the Christian and Hebrew bibles refer to ‘Shelomith’ as the ‘SON’ of Izhar, and father of Korah.

BTW, in Exodus 6: 20-22; the descendants of three of Kohath’s four sons, Amram, Izhar and Uzziel, are spoken of, and yet there is absolutely no mention of the descendants of Kohath's fourth son 'Hebron'. Would it surprise you to discover that Hebron had sired no sons, and that his daughter “Mareshah/Marsha” is the source of his descendants?

But before leading you into this minefield, which will eventually explain why the tribe of Dan is not counted among the 144,000 chosen ones in revelation 7: 4-8; and how 12,000 can be chosen from the 12th tribe of Benjamin that was lost, I would like to go back further in time.

To be continued.

Reading with great interest.

Thank you.

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Seth received the blessing of first born from Adam because Cain, the actual firstborn son had killed his brother Abel. From Seth to Noah the firstborn blessing was passed down through the firstborn son.

The scriptures do not reveal exactly what Canaan had done to his grandfather Noah, as he lay naked in a drunken stupor in his tent, so we can only speculate as to what occurred. My own personal opinion is that Canaan, the ancestor of today’s Palestinians, sodomised his grandfather, but like I said, that is only my personal opinion.

Shem, is the younger brother of Ham the firstborn son of Noah, and Ham is the father of Canaan whom Noah cursed when he awoke from his drunken stupor and realised what his youngest ben=male descendant [Canaan] had done to him. After cursing Canaan, Shem was given the blessing of first born by Noah, which was removed from his elder brother, “Ham,” because of what his son Canaan had done to him. See Genesis 9: 24 to 27.

Shem, the second born son of Noah was given the blessing of first born by Noah, which was removed from his elder brother, “Ham,” but later copies of the scriptures have erroneously placed Shem as the actual first son sired by Noah.

The scriptures tell us that Noah had begun his family when he had turned 500, If it had been after he turned 505, the bible would have stated that, if it was after Noah had turned 502, this would have been revealed in scripture, but no! The Bible tells us that it was when Noah turned 500 that he began his family.

לב וַיְהִי-נֹחַ, בֶּן-חֲמֵשׁ מֵאוֹת שָׁנָה; וַיּוֹלֶד נֹחַ, אֶת-שֵׁם אֶת-חָם וְאֶת-יָפֶת. 32 And Noah was five hundred years old; and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Genesis 8: 4; On the seventeenth day of the seventh month of the six hundredth year of Noah, the boat came to rest on a mountain in the Ararat range, showing that Noah, who began his family with his firstborn son (HAM) in his 500th year, was six hundred years old when the flood came to its finish. Then in Genesis 11: 10; we read; “These are the descendants of Shem. Two years after the flood, when Shem was 100 years old etc.” Here, the scriptures reveal to all, that Shem was born when Noah was 502.

And again, in Genesis 10: 21; we read that “Shem is the older brother of Japheth.” Knowing from the scriptures, that Japheth was the younger brother of Shem, and being assured by the scriptures that Shem was born when Noah was 502, and that Noah began his Family when he turned 500; we have deduced from all this, that Ham was the actual firstborn son of Noah, whose firstborn blessing was transferred to Shem. Even the Hebrew Scriptures would appear to support the fact that Ham is the firstborn followed by Shem the elder brother to Japheth, the youngest son of Noah.

Hebrew bible; Genesis 10: 20-21; אֵלֶּה בְנֵי-חָם, לְמִשְׁפְּחֹתָם לִלְשֹׁנֹתָם, בְּאַרְצֹתָם, בְּגוֹיֵהֶם. {ס} 20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, in their nations.

כא וּלְשֵׁם יֻלַּד, גַּם-הוּא: אֲבִי, כָּל-בְּנֵי-עֵבֶר--אֲחִי, יֶפֶת הַגָּדוֹל. 21 And unto Shem, the father of all the children of Eber, the elder brother of Japheth, to him also were children born, etc.

The reason why God sent the descendants of Shem into the land of the firstborn son of Noah, Ham/Egypt, where they interbred with the descendants of Ham the firstborn for 215 years before God killed all the first born Egyptian males, after which he called his son out of Egypt, in who was the spirit of Firstborn, was because of what Canaan the youngest descendant of Noah had done to him while he lay naked in his tent in a drunken stupor; Genesis 9: 24; When Noah sobered up and learned what his youngest descendant had done to him, he cursed Canaan and blessed his second son Shem, on who he then bestowed the blessing of first born.

Jubilees 7: 13; And Ham knew that his father had cursed his younger son, and he was displeased that he had cursed his son. and he parted from his father, he and his sons with him, Cush and Mizraim and Put and Canaan. And he built for himself a city and called its name after the name of his wife Ne’elatama’uk.

The Book of Jubilees Chapter 8: When Noah divided the Land among his three sons, Shem received the middle portion, from the delta of the river of Egypt, north to Lebanon and east to India, while Ham received the land of Africa to the south, and Japheth received the land to the north of Lebanon, which according to the book of Jubilees 8: 30; It is said that the Land of Japheth included the five great islands and a great land in the north. But it is cold, and the land of Ham is Hot, and the land of Shem (The middle son) is neither hot nor cold, but it is of blended cold and heat.

The sons of Noah then divided their portion of land among their sons, and it is written in Jubilees 9: 14; “And thus the sons of Noah divided unto their sons in the presence of Noah their father, and he bound them all by an oath, imprecating a curse on everyone who sought to seize the portion that had not fallen to him by lot. And they all said, ‘So be it; so be it,’ for themselves and for their sons forever throughout their generations til the day of judgement, etc.”

Then in chapter 10: 29; we read; “And Canaan saw the land of Lebanon to the river Egypt, that it was very good, and he went not into the land of his inheritance to the west (That is to) the sea, and he dwelt in the land of Lebanon, eastward and westward from the border of the Jordan and from the border of the sea. And Ham his father, and Cush and Mizraim, his brothers said unto him: ‘Thou hast settled in a land which is not thine, and which did not fall to us by lot: do not do so; for if thou dost do so, thou and thy sons will fall in the land and be accursed through sedition; for by sedition ye have settled; and by sedition will thy children fall, and thou shalt be rooted out forever, etc.

After Noah had transferred the blessing of firstborn to Shem, the Lord God then had to remove from Ham the spirit of Firstborn and implant it into the expanded body of Shem.

Anyone who breeds pedigrees will know that if their pedigree bitch is impregnated by a mongrel, and semen is introduced into the bitch, whether or not conception occurs with that mating, any future offspring from that bitch will carry certain characteristics of the mongrel, for the two had become one. A pup from a passive breed, may inherit aggressiveness, or some other trait of the mongrel.

Because of what his youngest descendant ‘Canaan’ had done to him while he lay naked in his tent in a drunken stupor, Noah cursed Canaan and removed the blessing of first born from Canaan’s father “Ham,” and gave it to his second born son ‘Shem,’ who was born when Noah was 502 and Shem is the older brother of Japheth. Now, the Holy Spirit had to transfer the spirit of the first born (Ham) to the body of the second born (Shem).

The Book of Jubilees 11: 10; reveals that Terah, the father of Abraham and Sarah was born in the Hebrew year of 1806 AM, then in verse 14 of the same chapter it is written; that in [1870 A.M.] Terah took to himself a wife, and her name was ’Edna, the daughter of ’Abram, the daughter of his father’s sister. And in the seventh year of this week [1876 A.M.] [When Terah was 70, Edna bore him a son, and he called his name Abram, by the name of the father of Abraham’s mother Edna; for he had died before his daughter had conceived a son. 10 years later Terah sired a daughter to another woman other than Edna.

The daughter of Abraham’s father ‘Terah,’ who was the high priest in the Chaldean temple in Ur and who died at the age of 205, was Sarah, who was 65 when she, with her half-brother Abraham, who was 75, left their 145 year old father in Haran, with his other son “Nahor,” and they took with them their nephew ‘Lot,” the son of Haran the brother of Abraham, who died while trying to save the gods of wood and stone in the temple of Ur, which had been set afire by Abraham. They moved into the Land of Canaan which was the legal inheritance of Shem and his descendants.

Because of a severe drought in the land of Canaan, the Holy Spirit moved Abraham to take Sarai into the land of Egypt where they told everyone that she was the sister to Abram, which she was, or rather his half-sister. The King saw the beautiful one from the north and took her as his wife.

Sarah would have been between 65 and 70 when she was taken to wife by the King of Northern Egypt, who genuinely believed her to be the sister of Abraham, which in fact she was. Abraham was treated very well by the King, and he became a very rich man during the unspecified period that the King of Northern Egypt was united with Sarah the sister wife of Abraham.

The many gifts that the King bestowed on Abraham included flocks of sheep and goats, cattle, donkeys, slaves and camels. Because the Kings semen had been received into the body of Sarah, and even though she had never bore a ‘SON’ to him, the two had become one and certain genetic characteristics of the King of the land of first born would manifest themselves in any future child that might be conceived in the womb of Sarah.

After being visited with terrible diseases and catastrophes that the Holy Spirit of the Lord had sent on him and his people, the King, who like Abraham, believed in the one God, Creator of heaven and earth, was made aware of the cause of his disaster and sent for Abraham and cried out to him, “What have you done to me? Why didn’t you tell me she was your wife? Why did you tell me she was your sister, and let me take her as my wife? [WIFE, their union had been consummated]. Here is your wife, take her and get out!” The King then gave orders to his men, so they took Abraham and put him out of the country, together with his wife and all the wealth that he had accumulated while a guest of the poor betrayed King, who had his men obliterate all evidence of the beautiful one from the north.

Then, when Abraham was 100 and Sarah 90, the 90 years old Sarai, who, apparently had been unable to ever carry a pregnancy to its full term, was told by one of the three visiting men, that she would become pregnant by Abraham and bear to him the son of God’s promise. Those men whom Abraham fed, on the fresh bread baked by Sarah, with cream, milk and the meat of a chosen fat tender calf, were the messengers of God.

The Holy Spirit later moved Abraham to travel down south to Mamre, which was in the territory of the King Abimelech, where again Abraham told Sarah to say that she was his sister, which in fact she was, as she was the biologic daughter of Abraham’s biological father, but not of his mother. [See Gen 20: 12.]

Coveting the great wealth of Abraham and believing that by taking his aged sister Sarah, he might then share in her brother’s fortune, Abimlech, who believed her to be the sister of Abraham, had Sarah taken and placed in his Harem. The Lord then struck all the women in the Harem with a terrible disaster and caused the pregnant women in the harem to miscarry and made it impossible for any of the women to fall pregnant and have children.

Obviously, the best of the natural drugs that were known to increase fertility and reduce the chances of natural abortions would have been administered to all the women in the Harem including Sarah.

Then, one night in a dream, the Lord revealed to Abimelech that Sarah was the wife of Abraham and warned him of the dire consequences that would befall him if she were not returned to her husband. The very next morning after the dream, Abimlech gave Sarah back to Abraham with one thousand pieces of silver as proof to everyone that Sarah was innocent and had not been touched during the period of time that she had spent in the Harem. Abraham received gifts of sheep, cattle and slaves from this king also.

Genesis 20: 18; After that, Abraham prayed for Abimelech and God healed him and his household and the women in his Harem could once again fall pregnant and have children.

Owing to the workings of the Holy Spirit, Sarah was then to fall pregnant to her brother and was able to carry the pregnancy to its full term and Isaac was born, in who was the genetic inheritance of first born through his mother’s unification with the seed of the King of Egypt the land of the first born ‘Ham,’ and Abraham rejoiced to see the child of God’s promise according to the workings of the Holy Spirit.

190 years after the birth of Isaac, and 215 years after the promise=covenant of God to Abraham, that he would give to him the entire land which was occupied by the descendants of Canaan, the sons of Jacob whose name was changed to ‘Israel,’ and who was the second born son of Isaac, the second born son of Abraham, who were the descendants of Shem the second born son of Noah, were taken into the Land of Egypt=Ham, where, after interbreeding with the descendants of Ham for 215 years, the Lord then killed all of the first born sons of the Egyptians: and 430 years to the very day from when God had made his covenant with Abraham, (See Gal 3: 17), the Light of Egypt went out, as Israel, in who, now, was the spirit of first born and the chosen of the Lord ‘Who I Am,’ was called out of Egypt; “I will call my son out of Egypt.”

Now to return to Hushim the daughter of the sonless Dan, and the source of his male descendants.

To be continued.

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I come to these religious forums in order to learn from others, but If others think that I’m wrong and refuse to correct me, how will I know that I am wrong?

Christians in the main are afraid to eat of any spiritual food that has not been prepared for them by their mother church, the Roman church of Emperor Constantine. To feed from that which is not contained in her canon, is to feed on spiritual poison as far as they are concerned.

The Roman Old Testament and the latest Hebrew bible, which in my opinion was translated from Jerome's Latin Vulgate in the ninth century C. E., erroneously state that the eleven sons of Jacob who were born in Haran, were all born in the second seven years period of Jacob’s 20 years contract with Laban. (See Genesis 31: 38.)

Although if you read Genesis 30: 17-24; it is obvious that even the six sons of Leah could not have been born over a mere period of seven years. Reuben, who was born in the same year that his mother was Married, is 12-13 years older than Joseph, who was a new born baby when Jacob returned to the land of Canaan.

Even though both bibles state that Jacob worked for his uncle Laban for 20 years, those Christians are asked to believe that for the first seven years Jacob worked for the hand of the woman he loved, but had no sexual contact with any woman during those first seven years and that his eleven sons and one daughter were all born in the following seven years, and after Joseph the eleventh son was born, Jacob wanted to return to his own land, but his uncle convinced him to remain, which he did for another six years, during which time, Jacob's four women, apparently could not conceive any more children, or Jacob decided to remain celibate for six years.

If those Christians believe their Mother Church, who tells them that Joseph was born after Jacob had worked fourteen years for Laban, why did they not challenge me when I said that Joseph was born in the 20th and final year of Jacobs stay in the land of Mesopotamia, or could it be that they believe that I am telling them the truth while the church is lying to them?

If I were to say that Joseph, who was sent into a foreign land to prepare a place for his brothers, is a prototype of Jesus, and that he, like Jesus was sold by his brothers for thirty coins, would they challenge me for contradicting their most Holy Canon, which erroneously states that Joseph was sold for twenty coins? (See Genesis 37: 28.)

And what if I were to say that ‘HUSHIM’ was the daughter of Bilhah, the mother of DAN, who conceived ‘Hushim’ on the night that she was raped by the 25 years old Reuben, the first born of Israel, and that after the death of her mother five years later, the 4/5 years old ‘Hushim’ was adopted by her brother Dan, and later, she married her cousin Sh-ahara-im=Aharah, the third son of her uncle Benjamin, (See 1 Chronicles 8: 1.) in order to bear male progeny for her sterile father ‘DAN.’

Hushim bore two sons to her cousin ‘Aharah/Sh-AHARA-im, who were named Abitub and Elpaal.

King Saul, the first King of Israel, was a descendant of Elpaal from the tribe of Benjamin, and Saul stood a foot taller than any other Israelite; See GNB 1 Samuel 10: 23. ‘ABI” means ‘JAH IS FATHER” and it was from the descendants of Abitub that the tribe of Dan are counted.

The name ‘ABITUB’ means “SOURCE OF GOOD’, in the common version it is Ahitub, which means; ‘A GOOD BROTHER’, and the tribe of Dan, (ABITUB) who fought with his brother tribe Benjamin (ELPAAL) against the other tribes of Israel, which left only 600 surviving Danites, was certainly a ‘GOOD BROTHER’.

Like his ancestor Dan the son of Bilhah, Samson, was also a descendant of Bilhah, and He too was a giant of a man who appears to have been sterile also, his father Manoah could not sire any children until his wife was visited by a messenger of God, after which she bore Samson, who, although a great womaniser died childless.

Would those Christians believe that the children of the tribe of Dan, were the genetic descendants of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, and the reason perhaps, why, of the thirteen tribes of Israel in Revelation, Dan is not counted?

Anyway, this thread is beginning to bore me, having no one to converse with.

Catch you all later.

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18; On his return from Mesopotamia, Jacob arrived safely at the city of Shechem in the land of Canaan and set up his camp in a field near the city.

He bought that part of the field from the descendants of Hamor, father of Shechem for a hundred pieces of silver.

Bethlehem of Judah would not have existed at the time of Rachel’s death, the Northern town of Bethlehem is in the ancient land of Zebulun.

Historians and scholars have previously suggested that Jesus was not born in Bethlehem in the West Bank, but another Bethlehem close to the borders of Lebanon and Syria. Jesus is referred to throughout the Bible as from Galilee, and as Jesus of Nazareth, so for some it makes sense he was born in this other Bethlehem.

Dr. Aviram Oshrim, an archaeologist with the Israel Antiquities Authority, supports the claim of the northern Bethlehem. He has been studying the matter since the 1990s, and has said he is “positive” of the true Bethlehem being near Nazareth.

Isaiah 9: 1-7; This prophecy by Isaiah would appear to support that belief: “The land of the tribes of Zebulun and Naphtali was once disgraced, but the future will bring honour to this region, from the Mediterranean eastwards to the land on the other side of the Jordan, and even to Galilee itself, where the foreigners live.

The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light. They lived in a land of shadows, but now light is shining on them. You have given them great joy, LORD; you have made them happy. They rejoice in what you have done, as people rejoice when they harvest their corn or when they divide captured wealth.

For you have broken the yoke that burdened them and the rod that beat their shoulders. You have defeated the nation that oppressed and exploited your people, just as you defeated the army of Midian long ago. The boots of the invading army and all their bloodstained clothing will be destroyed by fire. A child is born to us! A son is given to us! And he will be our ruler.

He will be called, “Wonderful Counsellor”, “Mighty God”, “Eternal Father”, “Prince of Peace”. His royal power will continue to grow; his kingdom will always be at peace. He will rule as King David's successor, basing his power on right and justice, from now until the end of time. The LORD Almighty is determined to do all this.

Rachel died some 2,000 years before Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea, (The Birth-place of King David) but Rachel was buried on the road to Bethlehem of Zebulun.

The origins of the Judean Bethlehem are uncertain, but archaeological records indicate that it may have existed as far back as the fourteenth century B.C.E. The Israelites, who entered Egypt in the seventeenth century B.C., invaded the land of Canaan in the middle of the fifteenth century B.C., forty years after the Exodus, which occurred around 1550 B.C., this would seem to indicate that the southern town of Bethlehem of Judea, of which archaeological records indicate that it could only have existed as far back as the fourteenth century B.C.E. may not have existed in the early days of the Israelite conquest, in fact the first mention of the Bethlehem of Judah, is near on 400 years after Israel entered the land of their rightful inheritance, when Samuel was sent there to Anoint the Young David who was to succeed Saul as King, whereas the Bethlehem of Zebulun, which was visited by Jacob in the seventeenth century is known to have existed long before Jacob’s visit some 300 years before the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt sometime around 1550 B.C.

Genesis 35: 21; And Israel journeyed, and spread his tent beyond Migdal-eder.

In the Hebrew language, the name is “Migdal Eder.” Migdal means “tower” and Eder means “flock or fish”. In the Genesis passage, Migdal Eder (also spelled Edar) is referring to the location where Jacob pitched his tent after he buried his wife Rachel who had died in childbirth, on their way to Bethlehem in the land of Zebulun, which is correct. But according to the Christian belief, Migdal Eder is on the road between Bethlehem and the city of Jerusalem, which is less than 5 miles away.

The towers in the shepherds’ fields of Bethlehem of Judea were usually two-story stone watchtowers. On the top story, a ‘priestly shepherd’ would stand watching over the flock to make certain that the sheep were not being harmed, vigilant to protect them from their natural enemies, the robber, the wolf, the bear and the lion.

The sheep raised in the shepherds’ fields of the Bethlehem in Judea, were specifically destined for Temple sacrifice. These sheep had to be without blemish and unspotted in order to qualify to be used for the Passover sacrifice. Bethlehem’s shepherds’ fields were the holding pens for the hundreds of sacrificial lambs.

There was no Passover festival in the seventeenth century, the days of Jacob’s return from the house of Laban, and therefore no need for any one-year-old unblemished sacrificial lambs, and no need for a priestly shepherd in a tower to keep watch over the sacrificial Lambs. The first Passover didn’t occur until the night before the Exodus.

Jacob died seventeen years after entering Egypt, which is 198 years before the Israelites who had lived there for 215 years, were saved by the blood of the first sacrificial lambs, on the first day of Passover that has ever been held, when the angel of death ‘Passed Over’ the land of Egypt, killing all the firstborn males who were not protected by the blood of the sacrificial lamb.

Ancient Magdala in Migdal Israel, is a small, sleepy town on the northwest shores of the Sea of Galilee, and the Migdal tower, beyond which Jacob pitched his tent was not the towers in the shepherds’ fields of Bethlehem of Judea.

Magdala, known as Migdal in Hebrew (מִגְדָּל: tower) and in the Babylonian Talmud it is known as Magdala Nunayya ( Aramaic: מגדלא נוניה, meaning "Tower of the Fishes"), and is believed to have referred to towers used for drying fish caught in the Sea of Galilee. Magdala was the hometown of Mary Magdalene also known by its Greek name, Taricheae.

Peter and Andrew, the fishermen from Bethsaida on the eastern side of the Jordan in the territory of Herod Philip, later moved their families to Capernaum on the western side of the Lake, the reason for their move is believed to have been that they needed their fish processed (Air dried or salted) and the principle (If not the only) fish factory on the Sea of Galilee was at Magdala in the same territory as Capernaum.

It was in the town of Capernaum that Jesus met Levi, a tax collector who was sitting in his office in the customs house (Mark 2:14.) where fishermen from Bethsaida had to pay a tax in order to bring their catch across the border, and by moving from the western territory of Herod Philip of Bethsaida, to the eastern territory of Herod Antipas they were able to avoid this tax.

Jesus chose his first four disciples from this area, who were all fishermen, Peter and Andrew, plus his nephews, James and John, the sons of his sister Salome the wife of Zebedee. James the nephew of Jesus should not be confused with James the younger of Mary’s three biological sons who was sired by Alphaeus/Cleophas and who died in 62/69 A.D., (From “JESUS THE EVIDENCE” by Ian Wilson; “And of James the son of Alpheaus, who was the first to sit on the Episcopal throne of the church of the circumcision in Jerusalem, we learn from Josephus, Eusebius, and Hegesippus, that he was murdered in 62 AD, at the instigation of one of the same Sadducee sect that had his brother Jesus murdered, etc)" whereas James the son of Zebedee and the nephew of Jesus, died at the hands of Herod Agrippa, who himself died in 41- 44 A.D., some 20 years before the death of James the brother of the Lord.

Almost two years after the birth of Jesus in 6 B.C., the wise men from the east arrived in search of the promised King who had been born in Israel, and instead of going to Bethlehem of Judah where he was born, the ‘Hairy Star’ which had guided them from the east, was in the north west of Israel with its tail streaming off into the heavens as it slowly followed the setting sun, and was seen to “STAND OVER” the little commune of Nazareth which was about 2 miles from Bethlehem of Galilee close to where Rachel had been buried.

Herod’s secret police had eyes and ears throughout the entire land, Matthew 2: 16-18; When Herod realized that the visitors from the east had tricked him, he was furious. He gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its neighbourhood who were two years old and younger — this was done in accordance with what he had learned from the visitors about the time when the star had appeared.

In this way what the prophet Jeremiah had said came true: “A sound is heard in Ramah, the sound of bitter weeping. Rachel is crying for her children; she refuses to be comforted, for they are dead.”

Ramah of Galilee.

But the scriptures reveal that the night before the slaughter, the wise men were warned to travel home by a different route from which they had come, and Joseph was warned to get out of bed and take his wife and her child and flee into Egypt.

According to Josephus the historian, Sepphoris, which was only about 4 miles from Bethlehem of Galilee, and a few kilometres from Nazareth, had a population of around thirty thousand and he called it, "The Ornament of Galilee."

Around the time of Herod’s death in the spring of 4BC, just after he had ordered the slaughter of the innocents around the district of Bethlehem of Galilee, who were two years and below, according to the time that the wise men had seen the heavenly sign that had heralded the birth of Jesus in 6 B.C. there were riots among the peasants of the area in Galilee of which Sepphoris was the centre.

Judas, the son of Hezekias attacked the arsenal of Herod in the city of Sepphoris in order to arm the peasants.

The Romans under Quintillius Varus of Syria, attacked and burnt the city, putting down the uprising in which many families died and others were taken prisoner and transported to Rome, where they were sold as slaves. But Joseph, with his wife and her child had escaped the slaughter by fleeing into Egypt.

After a failed suicide attempt, which I believe may have been an option given to him by Caesar Augustus, in the spring of 4 BC, Herod the Great died, then in the spring of 3 B.C., after the death of Herod his father, when Antipas returned from Rome where his father’s will had been ratified by Augustus, he chose and rebuilt the magnificent city of Sepphoris as his capital city for ruling over Galilee.

Catch ya later.

Fascinating history, and the story behind why the 'Dan' tribe was not counted among the others.

I have few questions about this history because it is rarely even discussed in Christian churches as far as I know. I have nothing to compare what you have written to.
The reason may be because I spent relatively little time in the handful of churches I’ve attended. Ironically, They all ‘excommunicated' me in one way or another for asking 'questions that should not be asked'.

I asked questions not about history but about the overarching meaning of our existence in this obviously created universe, ie, why did God put us here, what is it that he wants of us.
Obviously this led to more questions and the answers I got were not coherent and were filled with obvious contradictions. I did not question them because of doubt or lack of belief but because I cannot believe the God I personally knew would be anything but completely coherent and without contradiction.

It was 50 years ago that I last attended a 'church'. As far as I know, none of them have the answers I was looking for, they don’t even seem interested in them. Or perhaps they were afraid of them. That is when I turned to God himself for the answers. He did not disappoint.

I was so overjoyed with the perspective the answers gave me that I thought the entire world would enthusiastically embrace them too. haha.
Now I’m of the opinion that no one gets those kind of answers any other way.

Thanks again for the history lessons, I now have a clearer picture of the twelve tribes and what became of the thirteenth.

Later…

Do you really know what became of the surviving one, after his brother died when he leaped the wall?