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# Teacher vs bully

htam9876

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Thu 12 May, 2022 04:07 pm
No. 7 position:

That “authentic” rabbit Dandan (Toppy Sir)’s research on current in PHF:

“We have negative charges (electrons) moving so we have a current. The other way to look at it is to say we have a flow of positive charges (holes) and get the same current. (The flow of positives is in the opposite direction of the negatives.)”

The definition of current nowadays is "the amount of charges pass through unit surface in unit time". This traditional conception of current is unilateral (charge moves relative to any reference frame)
Dandan’s conception of current is actually bilateral (Charge moves relative to charge). A bit different.
If Dandan always hugs his “holes” (reference frame established always on his “holes”), can he get "the same opposite current"? Nope.

Actually that “authentic” rabbit broke through the “standard” limitation and became an “eccentric” rabbit. He himself wasn’t AWARE of it. That’s fun.

Next, we resort to some thought experiments to analyze which conception of current could be more sufficient in science.

1. A circular dish is charged with an iron rod in the center. When the dish rotates, a guy on the ground considers that there is current and generates magnetism and the iron rod becomes a magnet; while another guy standing on the dish considers that there is no current and no magnetism generated and the iron does not become a magnet...
Is the iron rod a magnet or not?
Someone might say that although the guy on the disc would observe he was not rotating and the charges don’t move, but he would experience rotation evident by centrifugal forces he feels. So, he will consider the iron rod becomes a magnet too. Sounds reasonable too. But this explanation has deviated from the original topic of conception of current.
If we use bilateral conception of current (charge moves relative to charge) to analyze, no matter that guy standing on the ground or the disc, he would observe charges move relative to charges. So, he will consider the iron rod becomes a magnet no matter standing on the ground or the disc. This explanation works too, and doesn’t deviate from the original topic of conception of current.

2. Okay, maybe situation of acceleration is a bit complicated. Next, simplified the researching method.
If an electron moves to you in constant velocity (reference frame built on you), you will feel that magnetism occurs because you observe current; if the electron is fixed over the ground (reference frame built on the ground / electron) and you move to it in constant velocity, you will feel no magnetism occurs because you observe no current.
According to the relative movement principle, these two cases are equivalent. Why difference occurs in our sense?

Take the remaining positive charge (because charge conservation, there must be a positive charge elsewhere) into consideration and employ the bilateral conception of current (charge moves relative to charge), the answer appears.
In the former case, the electron might move relative to the remaining positive charge, while in the latter case, the electron might not move relative to the remaining positive charge. They might be different cases logically.

3. Okay, a guy and a partner research together.
Fix a plastic ball over the ground and brush it with a piece of cloth or leather, which one is appropriate (charged by friction). Put a compass beside the ball. Put the cloth or leather on a table nearby. Walk to ball and watch if the compass turns. The guy and the partner walk to the ball in the opposite side and watch the compass.
(Assume the ball, the cloth and the compass are relatively static. The guy always set the reference frame on himself, while the partner always set the reference frame on herself.)

The guy and his partner will see the compass turns in opposite directions. That’s obvious contradiction in logic.

If they take the cloth into consideration and employ the bilateral conception of current (charge moves relative to charge), they both would not observe current, then magnetism occur, then they both would not observe the compass turn. No contradtion.

4. Talk about the Stern-Gerlach experiment again.

(This diagram is a bit inexplicit, sorry. But that’s all piggy can do with my extreme limited resource at present.)

Below is piggy’s humble opinion:
Assume the electron turns around the nucleus counterclockwise on the paper,
A. If view from the point of the nucleus, we got a single current clockwise. (Figure 1)
B. If view from the point of the electron, we got a single current counterclockwise. (Figure 2)
That will result in two different orbital magnetic moments in counter directions.
What will nature do? To be FAIR.
That’s why those atoms separated into two symmetric parts.

Because the electron can be in different energy levels of the atom, that means different orbital angular momentums and different orbital magnetic moments might occur. So, piggy estimates the spectrum will separate further step on the base of those two symmetric parts.
With the bilateral conception of current (charge moves relative to charge), piggy understand it better and simply.

Summary:
In one hand, the traditional definition of current is “the amount of charges pass through unit surface in unit time”. A question here is that where does the unit surface establish? It’s not defined. That’s to say the traditional conception of current is charge moves relative to any reference frame. It’s unilateral.
While In another hand, the rule for deciding the direction of current is “the moving direction of positive charge”. A question here is that relative to what? Ether? It’s relative to the free electrons. For example, in a section of wire in a DC circuit, the free electrons moves rightward, the cations move leftward relatively, then we got the same amount of counter current…When we say “the free electrons moves rightward”, it’s relative to the cations. When we say “the cations move leftward relatively”, it’s relative to the free electrons. Actually, it’s a conception of charge moves relative to charge. It's bilateral.
There is an obscure flaw in the traditional conception of current.
Those “authentic” guys often contradict themselves. 呵呵

Liqiang Chen

2023
Perhaps piggy has to accept the First Limitation claimed by the First Logic (the First Order) to do a security guard in the Jiangmen city. Unfortunately, piggy is old and is in bad health (due to the cruel and all around dark sanction of the First Order for so many years), piggy even is not able to secure his own old bones. That means piggy die hard logically. Bounce…
Nonetheless, today piggy, an alive - dead man of the Jiangmen city can still PRESENCE in this world and do something meaningful in science as well as meaningful in piggy’s own life too. Piggy feels very glory.
Thanks G*. Thanks a2k. Thanks America.

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htam9876

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Sun 3 Jul, 2022 11:07 pm
Piggy found that those pictures of rabbits and pigs in my threads can’t be seen in my browser anymore. What a sadness.
Actually piggy even can't access PHF at present.
Piggy suggests PHF galaxy released those lovely rabbits and pigs. Otherwise, piggy would condemn PHF mistreat little animals. Bounce…
They should pursue rational new research. Otherwise, their knowledge would be constrained by their own “standard” thought and lag behind one era. Piggy thinks.呵呵

Seems piggy exactly estimated the pig’s situation is getting worse and worse and prepared some materials a few weeks ago. Haha
Next go on with the PHA. Piggy is fair.

(The story of “Travelling to the West” 西游记 is a story of adventure. The adventure team encountered all kinds of monsters and difficulty in the journey. The pig almost became a delicious steamed pig on the dinner table of the monsters for many times…)

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htam9876

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Sun 3 Jul, 2022 11:10 pm
No. 6 position:

That “authentic” rabbit Dandan (Toppy Sir)’s research on current (one thing two aspects) in PHF:

“I suppose it might seem reasonable to suggest that the two particles would experience different changes to the electric potential, but in actuality the magnitudes of the potentials are the same so the two particles react the same.”

Piggy’s original scenario was:

“Here construct a simplest system: a proton on the left side and an electron on the right side. Two charges move relative to each other (one thing). When the frame of reference is established on the proton, the electron is moving (one aspect). When the frame of reference is established on the electron, the proton is moving (another aspect). In respect of electromagnetism, are these two aspects different? In another word: an electron moving relative to a proton or a proton moving relative to an electron are different events logically?”
“Assume the distance between the two charges is increasing. Then, what the electron experiences is electric potential decreasing, what the proton experiences is electric potential increasing. (Or say, the electron moves in the direction of electric line of force, while the proton moves in the counter direction of electric line of force) Logically, they seem to be different events?

Logically, they are different affairs and there might be different effect in physics.

The traditional unilateral conception of current can’t demonstrate this obscure difference, while the bilateral conception of current can do it. So, the bilateral conception of current could be more sufficient in science.

Relevant material for reference:
The S – G experiment in the No. 7 position ahead. And piggy’s alternative analysis there.

Liqiang Chen

2023
Perhaps piggy has to accept the First Limitation claimed by the First Logic (the First Order) to do a security guard in the Jiangmen city. Unfortunately, piggy is old and is in bad health (due to the cruel and all around dark sanction of the First Order for so many years), piggy even is not able to secure his own old bones. That means piggy die hard logically. Bounce…
Nonetheless, today piggy, an alive - dead man of the Jiangmen city can still PRESENCE in this world and do something meaningful in science as well as meaningful in piggy’s own life too. Piggy feels very glory.
Thanks G*. Thanks a2k. Thanks America.

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htam9876

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Wed 17 Aug, 2022 05:11 am
Neila9876@htam9876:
This tramp in cosmos noticed that extremist stalker J – 10 bully bully attacked the PHA ceremony and plotted to force it stop. What’s your humble opinion, if it is in real scene with an auto rifle?

Htam9876@neila9876:
I don’t know. Perhaps we all dead…thereafter, FBI goes to investigate.
Whose mission is it? The First Order?

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htam9876

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Tue 28 Feb, 2023 03:18 pm
No. 5 position:

That pig head neila9876’s research on the “analysis of the speed of probability wave” in PHF galaxy in 2020.

I don’t know how to display the full context of the “analysis of the speed of probability wave” here because I am not able to use the software to show some mathematical calculation. What I can do is to show its abstract.

The beginning of the context is:
According to Duc de Broglie’s original idea, the frequency of probability wave γ = E / h, the wavelength of probability wave λ = h / p.

The speed of probability wave of a free particle could be calculated as below:
If v is the moving speed of the particle, then, the speed of the corresponding probability wave:
u = γλ = (E / h)( h / p) = E / p =…

The conclusion of the context is:
When v → 0, Lim u = 0,
When v → c, Lim u = c,
When 0 ＜ v ＜ c, v ＞ u

There are two hard problems as below:
1. What does the inconformity between “v” and “u” in case of 0 ＜ v ＜ c mean exactly in physics? It represents the wave state separating from the particle state? How lame it all sound. It’s too abstract and not understandable. It just means the concept of wavicle (wave – particle duality) in QM can’t establish in this situation. Why?
Seems there is a flaw here in QM.
2. And what does the conformity between “v” and “u” in case of “v → c, Lim u = c” mean exactly in physics? It should mean the concept of wavicle established in this situation. Why?

The traditional conception of probability wave lacks of a “sound base”. Piggy has given it up. (The other major reason caused piggy given up the traditional conception of probability wave is “the amplitude of probability wave function non – sense in physics”.)
For details, please see relevant materials in the thread “T vs R (2)”.

Now we have a better choice: the new conception of “electric wave”. QM should be the science to research the wave characteristics of electric interaction or say wave function is to DESCRIBE “electric wave”.
Then, QM can escape “capital punishment”. 呵呵
What the traditional conception of probability wave can do, the new conception of electric wave can do it too.
The difference is the new conception of “electric wave” has a “sound base” and explicit physical meaning and is more understandable. Moreover, it can solve the problem of “incompatibility” between Relativity and QM. The wonderful affair is it can INTERCONNECT classical electromagnetism.

The answer to the why above is as below:
1. The range of velocity of 0 ＜ v ＜ c is just the character of movement of spherical electromagnetic wave.
As a whole, spherical electromagnetic wave doesn’t demonstrate wave characteristic. It demonstrates particle characteristic only.
Wave is the wave characteristic of electric interaction, not the wave characteristic of the particle such as electron itself. The “wave” and the “particle” are different independent things. It’s unnecessary for the speed of “electric wave” “u” to be in conformity with the moving speed of the particle “v”.
A vivid analogy: A boat moves on the water and activates water wave. The water wave and the boat are different independent things. It’s unnecessary for the speed of water wave to be in conformity with the moving speed of the boat.
2. The Chen’s physics model for a released photon is “a section of electromagnetic wave travelling in straight line”, “a section” is from the angle of “particle” while “electromagnetic wave” is from the angle of “wave”. Of course v = u = c. Perfect conformity. Notice, at this moment, “u” changes to be the speed of electromagnetic wave rather than the speed of the “electric wave”.

(Piggy knows that pig head neila9876’s original version of “analysis of the speed of probability wave” in his thread “wavicle, an old topic” in the quantum forum in PHF galaxy in 2020 was a primary and rough one. It’s me help him renew and improve it. Haha. But the spirit of PHA is to promote scientific research and bet on those outstanding AWARENESS. If someone wants a newest version of “analysis of the speed of probability wave”, he can pm piggy. )

The research on the “analysis of the speed of probability wave” would be the break though point in this revolution of physics.

Liqiang Chen

March 1, 2023
Perhaps piggy has to accept the First Limitation claimed by the First Logic (the First Order) to do a security guard in the Jiangmen city. Unfortunately, piggy is old and is in bad health (due to the cruel and all around dark sanction of the First Order for so many years), piggy even is not able to secure his own old bones. That means piggy die hard logically. Bounce…
Nonetheless, today piggy, an alive - dead man of the Jiangmen city can still PRESENCE in this world and do something meaningful in science as well as meaningful in piggy’s own life too. Piggy feels very glory.
Thanks G*. Thanks a2k. Thanks America.

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htam9876

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Mon 5 Jun, 2023 07:17 am
@MsKnowledgebased,
Thank you for your PRESENCE in this thread and have a good chat.
“You are uninspired…”
Perhaps you are unable to engage in strict mathematical and physical analysis. I don’t think you have taken a look at the article “analysis of the speed of probability wave”. And I really don't think that you can derive the mass – space equation in two methods. Argue for argue is non – sense at all in science.
But piggy appreciates your comment “speak of piggy feelings so should be in line with animal!” very much…Perhaps you are a kind of plant…

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htam9876

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Mon 5 Jun, 2023 07:24 am
No. 4 position:
That pig head neila9876’s derivation of “mass – space equation” in PHF galaxy in 2020.

Piggy always says that the “mass – space equation” is the threshold of entering the new era of PRESENCE – PROPERTY.

Relativity and “spherical electromagnetic wave” model can be INTERCONNECTED by the “mass – space equation”.

The “spherical electromagnetic wave” model and the “mass – space equation” explained the U Hydrogen phenomenon / contraction of proton explicitly.

The “spherical electromagnetic wave” model and the “mass – space equation” explained black hole can exist in this cosmos and the event horizon of black hole is round explicitly. Moreover, they distinguish the core of black hole from singularity explicitly.
For details please see relevant materials in the thread “cosmos vs us”. Piggy repeats a part of them here:
According to my physical model for elementary particle, after a huge star collapsed, an extreme situation might happen: all atoms and even the elementary particles would melt down, its internal energy might gather on a small spherical surface.
At such extreme level, physical theories such as Mass Point Dynamics, thermal dynamics
, etc, would no longer be applicable to describe it.

The black hole image just showed a round black spot (event horizon).
Some people consider that the core of black hole is a singularity. Piggy wonders that what’s the shape of a singularity though?

Moreover, the Big Bang theory considers this cosmos came from a singularity. That means a cosmos can pop out from a black hole at any time. It’s obviously absurd.

Now, the “spherical electromagnetic wave” model and the “mass – space equation” explained black hole can exist in this cosmos and can provide a perfect solution to the above problem.

The mass of a star is a limited value, according to the “mass – space equation” r = a / M,
0 < the radius of the core of black hole < the radius of an elementary particle.

According to the “mass – space equation”, the core of super black hole would be even smaller.
Black holes can merge. If more and more black holes generate and merge, the mass of super black hole M → ∞, the core r → 0, the mass density ρ → ∞. It’s the concept of singularity in math. Cosmos doomed. (The presence of black holes in cosmos is the prelude of collapse of cosmos.)
But personally speaking, I think the mass of cosmos should be limited, no matter how large it is. So, actually the “singularity” should also be a small round ball, no matter how small it is.

Red Shift of Galaxy
In the observation of recession of galaxies, the red shift phenomenon is actually consisted by two parts: the red shift due to Doppler effect as well as the red shift due to inflation of 3D physical space. The mass density of the cosmos now is much smaller than that of billions of years ago. According to the mass space equation L ∝ 1 / ρ, the 3D physical space of the cosmos is much different than that of billions of years ago. That means when light from a remote galaxy reaches the Earth today, its wavelength has been stretched significantly. If calculation ignores the effect of inflation of 3D physical space, it might result in two mistakes / false impressions as below:
1. According to the Doppler effect formula f’ = f * c / (c + vr), f is frequency of light, c is light speed and vr is the receding speed of the galaxy, some galaxy might seem to receding faster than light speed.
2. The more remote the galaxy is, the more significant the wavelength of light has been stretched due to inflation of 3D physical space. Cosmos is expanding accelerated.

(Piggy knows that pig head neila9876’s original research of “mass – space equation” in his thread “Is the sun round or thin” in the Relativity forum in PHF galaxy in 2020 was a primary and rough one. It’s me help him renew and improve it. For details please see relevant materials in the physics thread. Haha. But the spirit of PHA is to promote scientific research. It’s an adventure award and bet on those outstanding AWARENESS.)

Liqiang Chen

Jun 5, 2023
Perhaps piggy has to accept the First Limitation claimed by the First Logic (the First Order) to do a security guard in the Jiangmen city. Unfortunately, piggy is old and is in bad health (due to the cruel and all around dark sanction of the First Order for so many years), piggy even is not able to secure his own old bones. That means piggy die hard logically. Bounce…
Nonetheless, today piggy, an alive - dead man of the Jiangmen city can still PRESENCE in this world and do something meaningful in science as well as meaningful in piggy’s own life too. Piggy feels very glory.
Thanks G*. Thanks a2k. Thanks America.

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htam9876

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Tue 6 Jun, 2023 05:21 am
Mr. DomenicHalvah’s comment in a2k:

@Albuquerque,
What ails you, and how long have you been suffering from it?

URL: https://able2know.org/topic/572319-1

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htam9876

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Mon 13 Nov, 2023 02:28 am
No. 3 position:
That pig head neila9876’s initiation of the conception of “electric wave” in his “wavicle, an old topic” thread in PHF galaxy in 2020.

QM should be the science to research the wave characteristics of electric interaction or say wave function is to DESCRIBE “electric wave” successfully solved two hard problems in physics.

1. “what’s meant by the amplitude of wave function”?
2. the incompatibility problem between QM and Relativity.

Moreover the conception of “electric wave” can interconnect with classical electromagnetism.
Sciences are all interconnected.

Piggy knows that pig head neila9876’s original version of “electric wave” function in his thread “wavicle, an old topic” in the quantum forum in PHF galaxy in 2020 was a primary and rough 4D space one. It’s me help him renew and simplify it. Haha. For details please see the article “Research on the Root of Quantum Mechanics”. But the spirit of PHA is to promote scientific research and bet on those outstanding AWARENESS. It’s an adventure award. This article disclosed the real physical meaning of QM with very rigorous, detailed and accurate mathematical physical analysis. It demonstrated the dynamic electric field actually is wave characteristic. It’s a bit different from classical electromagnetism. It opened the door to a new territory in the research on the fundamentals of physics.
Moreover, the article “Research on the Root of Quantum Mechanics” can serve as a light tower for the direction of scientific research. It reminds “there is a big stone here under the sea water”.
Quantum Mechanics vs quantum science - tech, touchy and feely

The concept of “quantum” originally referred to the discontinuity of energy. A landmark could be Einstein’s assumption of “photo - quantum” to explain “photo – electro effect”.

Human beings on the Earth always like to chase fashion. Perhaps nowadays the word “quantum” refers to any micro particle. Actually, the energy of any natural micro particle is very limited.
Some “authentic” guys even like to evolve / abstract it into a mathematical concept.

No matter what idea it is in science, “quantum” should be something substantial and physical in nature. It’s something PRESENCE in this cosmos.
Piggy feels the PRESENCE – PROPERTY natural system renders a special angle to research “quantum science - tech”.

Over the past century, people relied excessively on Quantum Mechanics to research micro particle. The traditional “authentic” QM has been proved to a “flawed tooth”. We can expect rabbit’s “tooth decay” would trigger “chain effect” in physics.

Quantum Mechanics doesn’t equal to “quantum science - tech”. QM should be the science to research the “wave characteristic of electric interaction”. There are much more things than that.

Liqiang Chen

Nov13, 2023

Neila9876@htam9876:
Science has passed the cross roads. It’s just human can’t solve the problems they are facing…They are “heavy accumulated and hard to go back”.
You pig head can do that experiment again: contacted Mr. Feng 冯生, who was a former classmate in the Class 914 of No. 1 Middle School of Xinhui 新会一中九一四班 for good liquor. Piggy “sure enough” he would say again that he can arrange piggy to do a security guard in Jiangmen city. Soft landing.

Htam9876@neila9876:
You idiot pig head drunk again? Piggy won’t waste time to repeat that useless game again. Non sense. They would “sure enough” the pig is defeated again and has to surrender unconditionally. Sometimes one has to give up something, otherwise, he would be trapped in others’ complicated game…If this pig has spare time, he would rather go to Shapu village fishing, drinking by the riverside, very comfortable…
Nonetheless, today piggy, an alive - dead man of the Jiangmen city can still PRESENCE in this world and do something meaningful in science as well as meaningful in piggy’s own life too. Piggy feels very glory.
Thanks G*. Thanks a2k. Thanks America.

Neila9876@htam9876:
Perhaps, Lord is AWARE he created something wrong at last…he has no idea how to sympathize with / have compassion for them. Lord would give them up, perhaps.

Jasper10

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Mon 13 Nov, 2023 03:27 am
@htam9876,
htam9876.Can I have a go at answering the first question from a philosophical perspective.

1. “what’s meant by the amplitude of wave function”?

If an electrical signal (thought?) passes through a vibrating electromagnetic field then it will oscillate due to the push/pull nature of the vibrating electromagnetic field.

I would suggest that this oscillating signal will have frequency and amplitude.

All sciences are interconnected.
Jasper10

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Mon 13 Nov, 2023 03:57 am
@Jasper10,
Tesla mentioned something about energy;frequency and vibration.

I would suggest that this is associated with the human thought process.

The thought process having something to do with electrical signals interacting with vibrating electromagnetic fields.
Jasper10

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Mon 13 Nov, 2023 04:32 am
@Jasper10,
On the second question.
2. the incompatibility problem between QM and Relativity.

As I am sure you are AWARE, I am having little to no success with my suggestions that electromagnetic force interactions at both the macro and micro levels will resolve the incompatibility problem between QM and Relativity.

I do understand why though because this would require a radical change in the philosophical approach.
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htam9876

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Mon 13 Nov, 2023 04:45 am
@Jasper10,
Seems piggy has to declare No. 2, otherwise, perhpas no chance anymore here. haha

htam9876

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Mon 13 Nov, 2023 04:51 am
No. 2 position:

The initiation of the unilateral conception of field vs bilateral conception of field. It successfully explained the real physical meaning of conjugate wave functions. The conjugate wave functions reflect the spirit of interaction. The real physical meaning of “probability density” ︱ Ψ ︱² in QM should be to describe the electric force.

For details please see the article “Research on the Root of Quantum Mechanics”.

Of course, it’s to this pig himself in a2k galaxy. haha

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Jasper10

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Mon 13 Nov, 2023 04:59 am
@htam9876,
Ok,

My theory, shall we say, is that because everything spins in the cosmos (at the macro level-Stars /Planets/Holes and at the micro level -Protons/Neutrons/Electrons), each of these individual objects has a N and S pole.

If you take this complete integrated system then according to NEWTONS 3rd LAW it is impossible to cancel out electromagnetic forces between 2 objects.

Am I wrong with this assessment do you think?
htam9876

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Mon 13 Nov, 2023 05:21 am
@Jasper10,
Seems piggy has to declare No. 1, otherwise, perhpas no chance anymore here. haha
htam9876

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Mon 13 Nov, 2023 05:23 am
No. 1 position:

Mr. woody’s comment in PHF:
Why is indeed the question that underpins all physics.
There is an English saying "why has a long tail" (or should that be tale?)
The answer at the end of the tail is always going to be "We don't know".
I suspect that we can delve into the mysteries of the universe for millions of years, and still find "we don't know" at the end of the tale.

Liqiang Chen

Nov13, 2023
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Jasper10

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Mon 13 Nov, 2023 05:35 am
@htam9876,
HaHa...you are difficult customer to sell to htam9876.Let's see what we can do.
Jasper10

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Mon 13 Nov, 2023 05:50 am
@Jasper10,
Can I just say that the goods that are on offer are what you see in the store now.

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