Downie Jr. Talks About Run-Up to Woodward Apology Today
Leonard Downie Jr. Talks About Run-Up to Woodward Apology Today
By Joe Strupp
Published: November 16, 2005 4:00 PM ET
NEW YORK
Bob Woodward of The Washington Post said this afternoon that he had apologized to his editor, Leonard Downie Jr., for not telling him much earlier that he had been keeping a secret: a June 2003 conversation with a confidential White House source, during which he learned about the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame.
"I expect that he will communicate more freely with me," Downie told E&P this afternoon, two days after Woodward testified before a federal grand jury. "I told him I want better communication on what he's working on, and he agreed to that."
But what happened before getting to this point? It was just a few days before the indictment of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby was announced on Oct. 28 that Downie learned from Woodward that the Watergate legend had his own connection to the Valerie Plame case.
"It was getting near the time of the [Libby] indictments and he came to me because he thought I should know," Downie told E&P today, adding that he did not initially show his disappointment in not knowing the information earlier because he had to decide how to proceed. "This was important information to have, and we needed to decide ho to use it. The important thing was to decide what to do. There were all sorts of journalistic questions -- whether this affected our reporting and what we should be doing as a result."
Downie said he immediately put Woodward in touch with Post attorneys so that they would know about his information in case any subpoenas were forthcoming. None ever materialized, but Fitzgerald did request Woodward's testimony shortly afterward, although Downie does not recall exactly when.
"We had to decide what to do as a result," Downie added, saying he was told at the time the identity of the source. "We looked at the circumstances under which he had been told and if we were still bounded by the confidentiality agreement, which we were."
Downie said the paper eventually asked the source -- who Woodward later revealed was one of three people about whom he has now testified -- to lift the confidentiality agreement, but that person declined. Since then, Libby and White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card have given permission for their identities as two of the sources to be disclosed, but the main source for Plame's identity has not.
"When the request was made for Woodward to testify in the deposition, releases were sought from the sources for him to be able to testify and for us to be able to write about it as well," Downie said. The editor said he knew last week that Woodward had planned to testify on Monday, but that none of his sources had given permission for their identities to be published, so nothing was written.
After Woodward testified Monday afternoon, the Post still had not secured releases from any of the sources that would allow the paper to identify them. It was not until Tuesday that Libby provided permission, Downie said. "At the end of the day Monday, we wanted to keep trying" to get them all, Downie said, adding that the Post also was working on the statement Woodward wrote about his testimony, which appeared in today's paper.
After today's story was published, Downie said he then approached Woodward this morning for the first time about his failure to disclose to Downie the conversation he had had with the White House official about Plame. "He told me his reasons, why he had not told me sooner, he definitely should have informed me sooner," Downie said. "Even if he had told me sooner, we may not have been able to publish anything about it because it was part of a confidential-source interview."
Downie said Woodward told him he had not disclosed the conversation because "he wanted to protect the confidentiality of his source and wanted to avoid being caught up in the leak investigation because he was working hard to finish his book. He also thought what had been said to him was relatively minor. But, he should have still told me about it and we would have made a joint decision to proceed."
A similar disclosure occurred earlier this year when, Downie said several months ago, Woodward had revealed to the editor the identity of Watergate source Deep Throat, who was later found to be former FBI official W. Mark Felt.
Woodward apologized this morning to Downie for withholding the information on his Plame conversation for so long, Downie said, which the editor accepted. He also said Woodward agreed to be more open in the future about such information.
This incident has highlighted what many at the Post view as a difficult working relationship between Woodward and the paper, in which Woodward is an assistant managing editor but also an author of books. Sometimes, staffers have said, that arrangement causes Woodward to keep information and sources out of the paper and use them instead for his books.
Downie acknowledged the negative impact of the relationship, saying, "There are issues that always need to be managed for the purpose of his books. In many cases, sources remain anonymous." He added that it also offers positive results.
"Most of the time, he has alerted us to what he is doing, to significant information he has found to produce his own front-page stories, and enabled other people to produce front page stories." He also noted Woodward's willingness, after the Sept. 11 attacks, to put aside a book project and work with the paper on coverage that "earned us a Pulitzer Prize for national reporting."
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Joe Strupp (
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