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Advocate wrote:

okie wrote:

It would take a few books to document all of them, Advocate, but the claims about the economy when he ran against Bush I are well known, and his recent claims about him always being against the war are well known, as well as the documentation to the contrary. Just do a search and you will come up with lots of information. You should know the economy claim and the war claim if you follow the news at all, and if you were following the first Clinton presidential campaign.

I would love to see Bill's actual statement about Bush I's economics. Could we see it?

There were many, Advocate, as the "worst economy since the Great Depression" was the mantra and one of the central themes of his campaign, and although it was garbage, it worked. I pulled just one speech:

http://www.ibiblio.org/nii/econ-posit.html

"This policy hasn't worked. The current administration has compiled the worst economic record in 50 years. George Bush's Presidency has produced slower economic growth, slower job growth, and slower income growth than any administration since the Great Depression -- and the biggest deficits and highest middle-class tax burden of any administration in history."

okie wrote:

Advocate wrote:

okie wrote:

It would take a few books to document all of them, Advocate, but the claims about the economy when he ran against Bush I are well known, and his recent claims about him always being against the war are well known, as well as the documentation to the contrary. Just do a search and you will come up with lots of information. You should know the economy claim and the war claim if you follow the news at all, and if you were following the first Clinton presidential campaign.

I would love to see Bill's actual statement about Bush I's economics. Could we see it?

There were many, Advocate, as the "worst economy since the Great Depression" was the mantra and one of the central themes of his campaign, and although it was garbage, it worked. I pulled just one speech:

http://www.ibiblio.org/nii/econ-posit.html

"This policy hasn't worked. The current administration has compiled the worst economic record in 50 years. George Bush's Presidency has produced slower economic growth, slower job growth, and slower income growth than any administration since the Great Depression -- and the biggest deficits and highest middle-class tax burden of any administration in history."

Statistically, was that a lie? Just wondering.

Statistically, the current Bush admin's record of job growth is currently the worst since the great depression, and so is the income growth.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:

Advocate wrote:

okie wrote:

It would take a few books to document all of them, Advocate, but the claims about the economy when he ran against Bush I are well known, and his recent claims about him always being against the war are well known, as well as the documentation to the contrary. Just do a search and you will come up with lots of information. You should know the economy claim and the war claim if you follow the news at all, and if you were following the first Clinton presidential campaign.

I would love to see Bill's actual statement about Bush I's economics. Could we see it?

There were many, Advocate, as the "worst economy since the Great Depression" was the mantra and one of the central themes of his campaign, and although it was garbage, it worked. I pulled just one speech:

http://www.ibiblio.org/nii/econ-posit.html

"This policy hasn't worked. The current administration has compiled the worst economic record in 50 years. George Bush's Presidency has produced slower economic growth, slower job growth, and slower income growth than any administration since the Great Depression -- and the biggest deficits and highest middle-class tax burden of any administration in history."

Statistically, was that a lie? Just wondering.

Statistically, the current Bush admin's record of job growth is currently the worst since the great depression, and so is the income growth.

Cycloptichorn

This probably belongs on the economy thread, but I think it is well established that it cannot be demonstrated that Bush I had the worst economic growth, job growth, income growth, etc. since the Great Depression.

mysteryman wrote:

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How many lies can a president tell the citizens before they wake up from their stupor?

Good question.
After all,Bill Clinton was elected twice also.

Besides his lie about a bj, what lies did Bill tell?

SACRAMENTO DESK - President, William Jefferson Clinton, during his Saturday radio address to the nation, said: "In our country during the '50s and '60s, black churches were burned to intimidate civil rights workers. I have vivid and painful memories of black churches being burned in my own state when I was a child."

Clinton's radio broadcast has deeply insulted his own home-state Democrats. They are saying Clinton has falsely accused Arkansans of torching black churches. After several Arkansans, including the state historian and leaders of several black organizations, disputed Clinton's "vivid and painful memories" of church burnings in Arkansas, Clinton decided to change his story.

And how many decades of a Democrat Congress that created the budgets have there been to create this mess, Advocate?

Don't forget Gingrich's led Republican Congress that was highly responsible for an improvement.

Advocate wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

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How many lies can a president tell the citizens before they wake up from their stupor?

Good question.
After all,Bill Clinton was elected twice also.

Besides his lie about a bj, what lies did Bill tell?

July 1991: Question: "Have you ever used Marijuana or any illegal drugs?" Answer: "I've never broken any drug law." - Arkansas Gazette, July 24th, 1991, p. 8B
Asked this 3 times, on 3 separate occasions, by 3 different interviewers, Bill Clinton repeated this claim. Until faced with irrefutable proof, that is.

Then he said:

March 29th, 1992: "I've never broken a state law. But when I was in England I experimented with marijuana a time or two..."

Later, in that same interview, "No one has ever asked me that question point-blank."

- The New York Times, March 30th, 1992, p.A15.

On Sept. 8,1992, Bill Clinton said, "The only people who will pay more income taxes are the wealthiest 2 percent, those living in households making over $200,000 a year."

In response to a Bush-Quayle ad that people with incomes of as little as $36,000 would pay more taxes under the Clinton plan, Bill Clinton said on Oct. 1, 1992, "It's a disgrace to the American people that the president (Bush) of the United States would make a claim that is so baseless, that is so without foundation, so shameless in its attempt to get votes under false pretenses."

Yet the NY TIMES in the analysis of Clinton's budget wrote, "There are tax increases for every family making more than $20,000 a year!"

"While Clinton continued to defend his middle-class tax cut publicly, he privately expressed the view to his advisers that it was intellectually dishonest." (The Agenda, by Bob Woodward, p. 31)

THose are just a few, to start.
Want a few more?
Lets look at these...
What about him remembering black churches burning when he was a child?

That wasnt true either...
http://www.dailyrepublican.com/clintonfabrication.html

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SACRAMENTO DESK - President, William Jefferson Clinton, during his Saturday radio address to the nation, said: "In our country during the '50s and '60s, black churches were burned to intimidate civil rights workers. I have vivid and painful memories of black churches being burned in my own state when I was a child."

Clinton's radio broadcast has deeply insulted his own home-state Democrats. They are saying Clinton has falsely accused Arkansans of torching black churches. After several Arkansans, including the state historian and leaders of several black organizations, disputed Clinton's "vivid and painful memories" of church burnings in Arkansas, Clinton decided to change his story.

I don't see the lies. He erred on ocassion, but didn't lie.

Thats enough to start with.
Do you want more of his known lies posted?

Advocate, If you dont consider those lies, then there is no way you can say that Bush lied about anything either.

To use your own words..."He erred on ocassion, but didn't lie."

mysteryman wrote:

Advocate, If you dont consider those lies, then there is no way you can say that Bush lied about anything either.

To use your own words..."He erred on ocassion, but didn't lie."

What about those of us who take the other position - that both of them were serial liars?

Are you willing to agree with this position?

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Advocate, If you dont consider those lies, then there is no way you can say that Bush lied about anything either.

To use your own words..."He erred on ocassion, but didn't lie."

What about those of us who take the other position - that both of them were serial liars?

Are you willing to agree with this position?

Cycloptichorn

As soon as you show me anyone that has ever taken that position, we will talk about it.
But, your side has claimed that Clinton didnt lie, he just made errors.

There is no way that Clinton was a serial liar. Bush, however, was and is.

Example: Clinton smoking pot in the UK broke no US law.

There is no way that Clinton was a serial liar. Bush, however, was and is.

Advocate wrote:

There is no way that Clinton was a serial liar. Bush, however, was and is.

Clinton is an admitted liar, who lied under oath; Bush is not.