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Fitzgerald Investigation of Leak of Identity of CIA Agent

 
 
Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 03:22 pm
okie wrote:
ehBeth wrote:
okie wrote:
[Gungasnake, thanks for the informative post.

Well, it was, do you have a problem with information? Perhaps if you have the final scoop on the anthrax, please let us in on it. Until then, perhaps you aren't but I am interested in pertinent information.


It wasn't informational at all, it was delusional.
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 04:12 pm
You really do have serious problems, don't you Roxxxanne? I am not being totally sarcastic here. I have come to realize just what a basket case you must be. I wish you a happy Thanksgiving, if you can. I suggest you get some help, really. Again, not entirely sarcastic, I think you need help to try to alleviate the extreme anger and unhappiness you must live with everyday.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 04:18 pm
okie wrote:
You really do have serious problems, don't you Roxxxanne? I am not being totally sarcastic here. I have come to realize just what a basket case you must be. I wish you a happy Thanksgiving, if you can. I suggest you get some help, really. Again, not entirely sarcastic, I think you need help to try to alleviate the extreme anger and unhappiness you must live with everyday.


You are projecting again, okie, my angry little, insecure, insignificant man.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 05:07 pm
HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL!
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 05:25 pm
okie wrote:
ehBeth wrote:
okie wrote:
[Gungasnake, thanks for the informative post.

Well, it was, do you have a problem with information? Perhaps if you have the final scoop on the anthrax, please let us in on it. Until then, perhaps you aren't but I am interested in pertinent information.


I have no problem with information.

Do a little research. There is information out there. Trusting GSnake to provide any legit info is simply dangerous.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 05:32 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
okie wrote:
ehBeth wrote:
okie wrote:
[Gungasnake, thanks for the informative post.

Well, it was, do you have a problem with information? Perhaps if you have the final scoop on the anthrax, please let us in on it. Until then, perhaps you aren't but I am interested in pertinent information.


It wasn't informational at all, it was delusional.


You ever been outta SanFran??
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 05:36 pm
gungasnake wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
okie wrote:
ehBeth wrote:
okie wrote:
[Gungasnake, thanks for the informative post.

Well, it was, do you have a problem with information? Perhaps if you have the final scoop on the anthrax, please let us in on it. Until then, perhaps you aren't but I am interested in pertinent information.


It wasn't informational at all, it was delusional.


You ever been outta SanFran??


Sure she has.
It wasnt to long ago that she went on her honeymoon, remember.
Of course, a few days later she had a new girlfriend.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 09:39 pm
You guys here won't see the significance of this story...the further erosion of american citizens' trust in this administration (and in the modern conservative movement generally, by association if nothing else). You are too invested in what you believe.

But you guys really don't matter. You aren't representative. I expect you look at a graph of Bush's popularity/credibility ratings (steadily down for three years now) and think "well, it will turn around" or "the liberal press did it". Or you'll look at what happened in the last election and think "Pshaw...just you wait!"

You aren't typical, boys. You are out on the edge attending to the same comfortable and supportive sources. I don't think you really understand at all what is coming your way.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2007 09:40 am
I was happy, and somewhat amazed, that Huckabee considers McClelland's revalations of the utmost importance, deserving investigation. This is from the guy who doesn't believe in evolution.

MM, I still say that the leakers committed treason.


November 21, 2007 at 18:43:17

Are Bush and Cheney guilty of treason?

by Carol Wolman Page 1 of 1 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com





US Constitution Article 3 Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

On Sept 20th, 2001, George W. Bush announced a "war on terror". "Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated." http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html


If we are engaged in a war on terrorist groups, then anyone who gives aid and comfort to terrorist groups is an enemy.

One major aim of terrorist groups is to get hold of weapons of mass destruction, in order to better terrorize a target population, such as the people of the US.

At the time Bush gave his speech, Valerie Plame was an undercover CIA agent, running an international ring of CIA assets, whose job was tracking WMD's through world black markets and preventing them from falling into the hands of terrorists. Two years later, her undercover identity was leaked to the press. Her outing did serious and lasting damage.

Several intelligence officials described the damage in terms of how long it would take for the agency to recover. According to their own assessment, the CIA would be impaired for up to "ten years" in its capacity to adequately monitor nuclear proliferation on the level of efficiency and accuracy it had prior to the White House leak of Plame Wilson's identity. http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Outed_CIA_officer_was_working_on_0213.html
In other words, the outing of Valerie Plame made it much easier for "every terrorist group of global reach" to acquire WMD's.

Thus, the outing of Valerie Plame gave aid and comfort to terrorist groups.

In other words, whoever "leaked" her undercover CIA identity to the press gave aid and comfort to terrorist groups, by making it easier for them to acquire WMD's.

OUTING VALERIE PLAME WAS AN ACT OF TREASON.

"Scooter" Libby took the fall for the administration on the Plame outing, after being convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice by Patrick Fitzgerald's grand jury. Bush suspended his sentence, so he did no jail time.

Now Scott McClelland, who was presidential spokesman at the time, tells us that both Bush and Cheney were directly involved into misleading him, Scott McClelland, into telling the press that no one in the White House did the outing of Plame.

In other words, Bush and Cheney are co-conspirators in the outing of Plame, or at least in the coverup and obstruction of justice. They have both committed treason.

If Congress does not impeach them immediately, then the whole Congress is guilty of treason.

When the 2008 election comes around, We the People should turn out of office any Representative who has not cosponsored HR 333/799- to impeach Cheney.

We're forming a New Broom Coalition, for a clean sweep of Congress. If you, or someone you know, is running for Congress on an impeachment platform, please contact us through our website: http://sances.info/newbroom/
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2007 10:04 am
Advocate wrote:

MM, I still say that the leakers committed treason.


November 21, 2007 at 18:43:17

Are Bush and Cheney guilty of treason?

by Carol Wolman Page 1 of 1 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com





US Constitution Article 3 Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

On Sept 20th, 2001, George W. Bush announced a "war on terror". "Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated." http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html




According to the Constitution, they did not commit treason.
You even posted the relevant clause.
Are you now saying that what the constitution says doesnt matter?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2007 10:16 am
MM, I think the provision is met. Please say why it is not met.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2007 10:31 am
I keep telling you.. waterboard Bush in open court and he will confess to treason thus meeting the requirements.

I see no reason why we can't do it since it is nothing more than a simple interrogation.

Unless someone wants to argue that waterboarding violates the constitution.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2007 09:44 pm
parados, Excellent idea! Since Bush doesn't consider waterboarding as torture, he can submit himself in a court of law and give his honest response. He wouldn't have to say a word; picture worth a thousand words.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 23 Nov, 2007 07:49 am
Bush's handlers probably told him that a waterboard is the same as a surfboard, on which he could hang ten.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 23 Nov, 2007 08:50 am
Washington Post and New York Times have been truly pathetic (again) on their coverage of McClellan's excerpted statement. With friends like this (liberal press?!...yee gods!) who needs enemies?
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 23 Nov, 2007 11:51 am
They cannot print the truth because the people can't handle the truth. It would be financial suicide.

Look at how the Nixon thing was handled. The highest position in the land breaks law after law and they let him go. What kind of example was that?

The system is broken, badly broken; in fact these two situations illustrate that it never had the capacity to work. It was badly flawed from the beginning. When the test arose [and it has arisen yet again], it flunked. Same thing is happening this time.

The rule of law, my ass.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 23 Nov, 2007 12:17 pm
christ in shitty napkins...what could be more predictable than a townhall headline...
Quote:
Aides Choose Royalties Over Loyalties
http://www.townhall.com/
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 23 Nov, 2007 08:18 pm
TownHall.com chooses deception over truth. Do the people at this site purport to be journalists? They pulled a foofie.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 11:15 am
from a hundred miles away, we saw this newsmax headline coming...
Quote:

Is McCellan Cashing-in with Book?
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Is_McClellan_Cashing-in_/2007/11/23/51639.html
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2007 05:33 pm
Plame is infuriated at the CIA, which crumpled when expected to defend her, and then made excessive redactions to her book.

Sunday, November 25, 2007 Salt Lake City
'Fair Game: My Life as a Spy, My Betrayal by the White House'
Unless you've been living under a rock, you probably know something about the "outing" (by members of the Bush administration) of Valerie Plame Wilson, a CIA covert agent working on weapons proliferation.
It happened in July 2003 when Robert Novak broke the news in his syndicated political column. Novak would not reveal his source, so for more than four years Wilson and her diplomat husband, Joe Wilson, have been plagued with the messy aftermath.

Since outing a covert agent is a federal offense, a long investigation by a special prosecutor followed. Vice President Cheney's assistant, Scooter Libby, was convicted ?- not of leaking to the press, but of perjury ?- and President Bush waited an acceptable length of time, then pardoned him.

So the leak episode was over.

Or was it?

It ruined Valerie Plame Wilson's 20-year career with the CIA, caused the Wilsons horrendous emotional turmoil, incited serious threats against their lives and came very close to breaking up their marriage.

Now that Plame Wilson has resigned from the CIA and moved with her husband and their 7-year-old twins (a boy and a girl) to Santa Fe, N.M., she has written a book about the event, "Fair Game: My Life as a Spy, My Betrayal by the White House."


The clever title is taken from a phrase uttered by Karl Rove ?- that Wilson was "fair game" in a political effort to discredit her husband.
Joe Wilson was sent by the CIA to Niger to verify an assertion that Saddam Hussein (through A.Q. Khan) had tried to buy uranium. When the former ambassador found no evidence of a uranium purchase, his name was blackened for alleged "nepotism" because he took a "junket" to Niger, the poorest country in the world.

During an articulate interview from a Los Angeles hotel, Plame Wilson, whom critics wrote off at the time as "a glorified secretary," made a convincing argument for her covert status and her need "to speak truth to power."

The book contains a ton of evidence that she was indeed a covert agent. She not only remains angry at the Bush administration but also at the CIA for not being willing to protect her when she started to receive threats on her family members' lives.

"I'm deeply disappointed," Plame Wilson said, "that the CIA crumpled under pressure of the administration and made the wrong decision when my family was so vulnerable in 2004. It saddens me that they didn't step up to the plate. Politics has been allowed to run rampant through the CIA."

Plame Wilson is also angry that the CIA delayed her book's publishing process by "redacting" huge sections of prose for alleged national security reasons. Her publisher decided to leave in the redactions (blackened sentences) so that readers could get a feel for how much was removed and how silly much of the censorship was. Frequently, several pages are blackened ?- even when the author is writing about matters that are obviously distant from national security.

"I have no desire to jeopardize classified information," asserted Plame Wilson, "but I didn't think the world would stop turning if I wrote how many years I worked for the CIA."

In an effective tactical move, the publisher asked Laura Rozen, a national security reporter, to write an afterword about the Wilsons' life and CIA connection. It notably clears up the questions most readers will have when they finish Plame Wilson's redacted account ?- and Rozen does it by using sources from the public domain.

Plame Wilson has never met Rozen, and she did not read the afterword for approval before the book was published. But she is pleased with the result. "The fact that she could write this with material totally from the public domain highlights the absurdity of the agency's position."

Plame Wilson worked as a NOC (Nonofficial Covered Officer, an independent status erasing all visible connections to the U.S. government ?- meaning that she functioned without a net).

In this role, she worked in London, Athens and Brussels, picked up two master's degrees in international affairs and European studies, and recruited agents from the ranks of foreign officials and business leaders. Asked how an attractive woman goes undercover, Plame Wilson said, "There is trade craft involved ?- but most people you meet feel under-appreciated, so you show the ability to listen to them so you can discern their motives to cooperate with the U.S. government. I'm not permitted to say precisely what I was doing."

According to Plame Wilson, a battery of tests she took before she became a CIA operative demonstrated that although she is "not a thrill-seeker," she "does like a challenge," and works well in a team. Her graduate degrees were probably earned in order for her to be more convincing as an NOC. "When is further education not a good idea?" she said.

The Wilsons, married nine years after "falling in love at first sight," have been warmly welcomed in New Mexico, where they have found "a great, beautiful place to raise a family and a place rich artistically, culturally and intellectually." Besides, it is much closer to their preferred skiing location ?- Snowbasin, near Ogden.

"If none of this had happened," Plame Wilson said, "I would be working on proliferation issues in Europe where I derived great satisfaction from my work. I had no desire to be a public person. But Joe and I don't want to be defined by this episode. We want to contribute again to the country we love, but we don't know how to do that yet."

In the meantime, a civil suit is pending with the hope that the Identities Protection Act can be strengthened.

deseretnews.com
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