Fitzgerald Investigation of Leak of Identity of CIA Agent

kuvasz wrote:

okie wrote:
And Wilson was smearing the administration. He started the whole thing. Now he can go sell the movie rights and write books. I hope he is happy, the dud.

damned right! that joe wilson fella' was walking around spreading outright and vicous truth about what he learned during his expenses paid lovely visit to the african hell-hole called niger.

the bastard!

how dare he speak the truth!

undoubtedly, truth has a liberal bias, as does objective reality, apparently.

Well said! I loved the line about Wilson spreading outright the vicious truth about yellow cake. May I have it?

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You guys would know, or should know that Wilson found out nothing not already known by the CIA, and in fact some analysts believe Wilson only confirmed the belief that Hussein was trying to buy yellowcake. I should also remind you guys, which you should know, that nobody ever claimed that Hussein had made a deal, only that he was working on a deal to procure yellowcake. Nothing that Wilson found ever disputed this belief, and in fact his so called "intelligence," which is a laugh because it wasn't intelligence, confirmed contacts between Iraq and Niger concerning trade, and yellowcake was virtually the only important commodity that Niger had to do any trade of value with Iraq that Iraq wanted.

Wilson knew all of this, and he would know that his work proved nothing, but his game was to paint the picture that his work meant something conclusively, when he knew it did not. The man is a fraud.

We will never agree on this. All of this has been repeated a thousand times on this thread.

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okie wrote:

You guys would know, or should know that Wilson found out nothing not already known by the CIA, and in fact some analysts believe Wilson only confirmed the belief that Hussein was trying to buy yellowcake. I should also remind you guys, which you should know, that nobody ever claimed that Hussein had made a deal, only that he was working on a deal to procure yellowcake. Nothing that Wilson found ever disputed this belief, and in fact his so called "intelligence," which is a laugh because it wasn't intelligence, confirmed contacts between Iraq and Niger concerning trade, and yellowcake was virtually the only important commodity that Niger had to do any trade of value with Iraq that Iraq wanted.

Wilson knew all of this, and he would know that his work proved nothing, but his game was to paint the picture that his work meant something conclusively, when he knew it did not. The man is a fraud.

We will never agree on this. All of this has been repeated a thousand times on this thread.

Fraud, my ass. Nothing that he brought back has been disproven, or even really challenged, by anyone except for partisan Republicans.

None of that even matters, however, as nothing he did gave anyone in the Administration the right to break the law.

Cycloptichorn

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okie is irreversibly hard-wired to believe what he wants to believe, and no amount of evidence is gonna change that. Promise.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

okie is irreversibly hard-wired to believe what he wants to believe, and no amount of evidence is gonna change that. Promise.

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Okie, I don't think it is true that Iraq was trying to buy yellow cake. Do you have any support for that?

Okie, I am still shocked that you and the other conservatives have no problem with the White House, for political reasons, exposing a CIA spy. Remember, the taxpayers invested millions in her and her cover company. It seems so unpatriotic of you.

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It is so easy to forget how good things were in Iraq before Libby stepped down.

From Stephen Hayes's Weekly Standard piece on Scooter Libby, which quotes from former administration official Robert Blackwill's letter to the judge on Libby's behalf:

Sadly, I believe that Mr. Libby's premature departure from the Administration has been a major reason for the downward spiral of the situation in Iraq and the consuming mess in which we find ourselves today regarding that country...

It's almost easy to forget how great things in Iraq were throughout 2005, when Libby was still serving the president (and the country). But, indeed, his departure and the Samarra bombing (that would be in descending order of importance) sure soured our Mesopotamian occupation in 2006.

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Advocate wrote:

Okie, I don't think it is true that Iraq was trying to buy yellow cake. Do you have any support for that?

Okie, I am still shocked that you and the other conservatives have no problem with the White House, for political reasons, exposing a CIA spy. Remember, the taxpayers invested millions in her and her cover company. It seems so unpatriotic of you.

Beg pardon, Advocate, but I'm one of the conservatives here and, while I agree with your first point, your second point is mistaken.

The "cover company" you mention had gone AWOL at the time Ms. Valerie Plame (as she wrote her name on her check) entered said company as her "employer" when donating the maximum allowable to individuals at the time, i.e. $1,000, to the Democratic party. Somebody at the electoral commission in charge of checking donations must have picked up the phone to call and verify her address Smile

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High Seas wrote:

Advocate wrote:
Okie, I don't think it is true that Iraq was trying to buy yellow cake. Do you have any support for that?

Okie, I am still shocked that you and the other conservatives have no problem with the White House, for political reasons, exposing a CIA spy. Remember, the taxpayers invested millions in her and her cover company. It seems so unpatriotic of you.

Beg pardon, Advocate, but I'm one of the conservatives here and, while I agree with your first point, your second point is mistaken.

The "cover company" you mention had gone AWOL at the time Ms. Valerie Plame (as she wrote her name on her check) entered said company as her "employer" when donating the maximum allowable to individuals at the time, i.e. $1,000, to the Democratic party. Somebody at the electoral commission in charge of checking donations must have picked up the phone to call and verify her address

I'm not sure I follow you here; we are discussing Brewster Jennings and Assoc., right? The fake energy company that Plame 'worked for?' The one that Novak revealed when he outed her, the one that no doubt other agents worked for?

Cycloptichorn

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Cycl - I don't remember the name of the cover company she used on her $1,000 contribution, but the one you mention sounds familiar. Sorry can't be more precise now, would have to look it up.

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High Seas wrote:

Cycl - I don't remember the name of the cover company she used on her $1,000 contribution, but the one you mention sounds familiar. Sorry can't be more precise now, would have to look it up.

Don't bother - it was Brewster Jennings, a front company set up by the CIA to protect NOCs who worked with WMD, such as herself. And Novak outed each and every person who 'worked' for that company when he published that article.

If that was what Plame put on her check, I'm not sure what the objection is. What should she have written?

Cycloptichorn

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How "covert" could she have been if nobody bothered to inform her that her "cover" had gone out of business years before she mailed that check?

Anyway, she's suing her former employer(s), so it will probably all come out in court unless there's a settlement first.

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High Seas wrote:

How "covert" could she have been if nobody bothered to inform her that her "cover" had gone out of business years before she mailed that check?

Anyway, she's suing her former employer(s), so it will probably all come out in court unless there's a settlement first.

They weren't ever 'in business' to begin with. The company was a fake.

I'm not sure where you are getting this information from, that the FEC called and couldn't verify her employment? I've follwed this case for years and never have heard that particular angle.

Cycloptichorn

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Her contribution to the Dems and her listing the cover company as her employer don't in any way blow her cover as a CIA spy. She always presented herself as an employee of the cover company. Effectively saying that she is a Dem doesn't say that she is a CIA spy.

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Apparent CIA front didn't offer much cover

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Iv'e been looking for you TICO!

I'm ready for round 1324. Iv'e beed studein!!!

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Advocate wrote:

Okie, I don't think it is true that Iraq was trying to buy yellow cake. Do you have any support for that?

Okie, I am still shocked that you and the other conservatives have no problem with the White House, for political reasons, exposing a CIA spy. Remember, the taxpayers invested millions in her and her cover company. It seems so unpatriotic of you.

If my memory serves me correctly, Wilson confirmed the fact that Iraqi officials had met with Niger officials. Though we do not know the exact purpose of those contacts, since the only thing that Niger has that Iraq would have been interested in was uranium, then it is not a giant leap to figure those contacts were about procuring uranium. The other point abou this is that Niger probably admitted the contacts because they would suspicion that we already knew about them, so they confirmed them without giving further information.

Another point that is bubbling under the surface is the false testimony given by Valerie Plame to the intelligence committee. Lies by Joseph Wilson himself have already been confirmed. The wrong people are on trial here. The real issue is the utter and complete failure of the CIA to deliver good intelligence, and to top it off, Joseph Wilson is held up as providing the final word on Niger. The man was not trained in intelligence work, did no intelligence work for his op ed hit pieces, and basically was not qualified to do the work or know anything about the CIA's intelligence on Niger, and he certainly should not be considered qualified to speak for the CIA. If so, let us just fire the CIA, and from now on we can get all the information we need from the ambassadors we send to the different countries.

Another point that I have not heard anyone else say. This is strictly my opinion, but did Valerie Plame openly and freely divulge secret classified information to Joseph Wilson, and is that partially the reason why he did what he did and wrote what he did? If so, the CIA and Plame have alot more problems concerning this issue than have ever been discussed so far. Sending Wilson to Niger was not only stupid, but ill advised, and totally a waste of time. We need the CIA to do intelligence work, not conduct political campaigns.

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Another point that I have not heard anyone else say. This is strictly my opinion, but did Valerie Plame openly and freely divulge secret classified information to Joseph Wilson, and is that partially the reason why he did what he did and wrote what he did?

What classified information in your opinion was revealed by Wilson?

Be specific and tell us why you think it was revealing classified information since it was already available to the public and had been revealed by the WH?

Your logic is as usual impossible to follow. Libby didn't reveal classified information because someone else revealed it first but Wilson is guilty of revealing something, you just can't show what it is.

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okie will never understand that going shopping doesn't equate to buying.

If I go to a sports store to look for a gun, but come out empty handed, I did not buy the gun. Any conclusion to the contrary is fiction.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Apparent CIA front didn't offer much cover

Tks Tico! Trust that will address all questions raised by Cycl and Advocate here; that "cover" was blown-blown-blown and nobody told the lady when she mailed her check to the Democratic party. Precisely my point all along.

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