Fitzgerald Investigation of Leak of Identity of CIA Agent

Juror: 'Where's Rove, Where Are The Other Guys?…Libby Was The Fall Guy'

I'll accept that,but let me rephrase the question.

If you are happy that the legal system worked and convicted Libby,would you also have been happy that the system worked if they had aquitted him?

mysteryman wrote:

I'll accept that,but let me rephrase the question.

If you are happy that the legal system worked and convicted Libby,would you also have been happy that the system worked if they had aquitted him?

You should be ashamed of yourself for even asking. It's just one more scummy attempt to steer things away from the important issue, something you've been engaging in for, what, well over two years, three years?

Where are these big law and order conservatives? Notably absent or inserting more bullshit into the discussions. Y'all are not for law and order; just another silly talking point.

Fitzgerald said he does not expect to file any additional charges. "We're all going back to our day jobs," he said.

What? Is that it? Is it over, or is he lying about his intentions? If he is to be believed, I guess he does not think any other crime was committed, or he would be hot after it?

JTT wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

I'll accept that,but let me rephrase the question.

If you are happy that the legal system worked and convicted Libby,would you also have been happy that the system worked if they had aquitted him?

You should be ashamed of yourself for even asking. It's just one more scummy attempt to steer things away from the important issue, something you've been engaging in for, what, well over two years, three years?

Where are these big law and order conservatives? Notably absent or inserting more bullshit into the discussions. Y'all are not for law and order; just another silly talking point.

Then you have apparently not read a single thing I have written concerning the trial.

I have said several times that I was not particularly interested in the trial,and that whatever the verdict I would be ok with it.
Libby was convicted,and thats fine with me.
The jury saw the evidence and made its decision.
That proves the system worked the way it is supposed to.

Now,since the left on A2K seems happy that he was convicted,would they have been just as happy if he had been aquitted?
After all,that proves the system worked,even if you didnt like the verdict.

So,my question was a valid one,irregardless [sic]of your whining about it.

THE LIBBY TRIAL
Guilty

BYRON YORK: After three and a half years, the CIA leak case ends with one conviction. "Why Libby Lost" 03/06 5:30 PM

THE EDITORS: Scooter Libby's conviction has nothing to do with manipulating intelligence or discrediting a run-of-the-mill war critic. "Reiding into a Fantasy" 03/07 6:00 AM

THE EDITORS: Justice demands that President Bush issue a pardon and lower the curtain on an embarrassing drama that shouldn't have lasted beyond its opening act. "Pardon Libby" 03/06 2:30 PM

FRED THOMPSON: Are our institutions or is our sense of justice stronger because of this prosecution? "Law and Disorder" 03/07 6:00 AM

VICTORIA TOENSING: The verdict makes no sense. "Does the Libby Verdict Have Appeal?" 03/06 4:00 PM

BILL BENNETT: This case will have a backlash the press will regret.

AUDIO: FRED THOMPSON: I'm sad and angry.

MARK LEVIN: When will government witnesses face the music?

DAVID FRUM: Remember Armitage?.

JIM GERAGHTY: It's Fitzmas for Dems.

THE CORNER: Full coverage.

It was cold as hell outside the Prettyman Courthouse when Patrick Fitzgerald was giving his statement and answering questions, and as I was shifting back and forth from one foot to the other I saw the courthouse's Sheldon Snook talking with Dennis Colins, the juror who had formerly worked with Bob Woodward of the Washington Post.
I went over and started chatting and got to talk to him by myself for about 7 or 8 minutes before David Schuster came barrelling up to ask him if he wanted to be on Hardball, and then he was deluged. Sheldon eventually pulled him up to the microphones and he took questions for the cameras.

He was a very thoughtful guy who said the jury was very serious and took their responsibility very seriously, and that there were many tears at the end. I told him I ran a blog largely populated by people who were fascinated by the case and wondered if the jury had become likewise involved in mapping out the details (I didn't use the word "Plameologist" but I'm sure they'll hear it soon). He said that this was true and that the first thing they did was fill out 34 or so of the huge "post it" pads (2' x 3') with names, dates and details. Where have I heard that before?

Anyway, I asked him about the juror who was dismissed, if she was happy to be out of there. He said no, they liked her and he thought she was sorry to be gone. He said the other jurors may want to talk to the press at some point but for now they did not want to be identified. He was very impressed with how methodical they were and he used the word "dispassionate" to describe their deliberations. He said they deliberated for a whole week before they reached a verdict on any of the charges.

He eventually got dragged before the cameras and said that there was a lot of compassion on the jury for Libby, that they felt he was the"fallguy," and they wanted to know where Karl Rove was in all of this. He was loathe to answer questions about Dick Cheney beyond the fact that Libby was obviously doing whatever he did at Cheney's behest, and the Cheney notes on the Wilson July 6 article seemed especially damning. He wouldn't say whether testimony by Cheney would have helped Libby or not, and seemed unwilling to discuss anything that they were not tasked with deliberating.

He did say that Hannah's testimony totally screwed Libby, and I got a chuckle out of that. At the same time Hannah was talking about how bad Libby's memory was, he also claimed that Libby had an incredible grasp of detail, and the jury believed he just would not have forgotten so much in the way that the defense was trying to claim. They found Russert to be a credible witness but thought there was enough reasonable doubt in the Cooper false statement charge (he said/he said) for "someone" to assume reasonable doubt. It appears there was only one holdout on Count Three that kept Libby from a 5 count grand slam.

It was quite inspirational to get a chance to talk to him, and to hear how seriously the jury had deliberated. You never know what's going to happen with a jury until they come back and all I can say is -- it was worth every bit of effort we put into being here. There haven't been a lot of days in the past 7 years when you could say that justice triumphed, but the system worked and it felt damn good to be there when it did.

The question is -- who is going to press George W. Bush for a commitment that he will not derail justice and undo all the jury's hard work by pardoning Scooter Libby?

Now they all need our help. It will take a lot of pushing from all of us, because many, perhaps a majority in Congress are at least negligent, if not complicit in the true underlying crime of misleading the country into war. But holding up that mirror is the only way this coverup and the crimes behind it will end.

Why do you think it was pre-existing prejudice okie? The defense argued at the trial that Libby was the fall guy for Rove and others. It seems the jury got the message and want to know why Rove and the others weren't charged as well.

I recall that virtually every conservative was outraged (having an outright fit) that Clinton (allegedly) committed perjury. But, somehow, perjury by Libby, a presidential assistant, is of no moment. Why is that?

parados wrote:

Why do you think it was pre-existing prejudice okie? The defense argued at the trial that Libby was the fall guy for Rove and others. It seems the jury got the message and want to know why Rove and the others weren't charged as well.

I am not naive to think these people did not have any knowledge or prejudice of this case before the trial, Parados. Can I prove it? No. I just found it strange an ex newspaper reporter found his way onto the jury.

If the defense team was satisfied with it, fine, thats the way things are. We will have to live with it. If the jurors thought Libby lied beyond a reasonable doubt, then he has to suffer the consequences. But as I said, the case is not over, and if Fitzgerald is telling the truth about no more to do, it is still a big fizzle, a huge bomb of a case apparently over nothing. Like a very bad joke with people still waiting for the punch line.