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Fitzgerald Investigation of Leak of Identity of CIA Agent

 
 
blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 11:35 am
Shuster: 'Prosecutors still looking for ways to pursue Cheney' John Byrne and David Edwards

According to MSNBC's David Shuster, legal sources say that if I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby is convicted for perjury and obstruction, prosecutors may try to get him to turn over evidence against the Vice President.

"Legal sources confirm to MSNBC tonight that if Libby is convicted, prosecutors are expected to attempt to revisit Libby's vague testimony about Vice President Cheney," Shuster said. "The idea is that prosecutors would seek to flip Libby to get at suspicions about the Vice President."

"Prosecutors are still seeking to pursue Cheney in the overall investigation," he added.

The X factor in the case is whether if Libby is convicted he will be pardoned by President Bush -- in which case all bets are off.

Closing arguments for Libby's trial begin today. The following video contains a clip of Shuster's Monday night report on MSNBC Countdown. http://www.rawstory.com//news/2007/Shuster_Prosecutors_still_looking_for_ways_0220.html
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 01:18 pm
A former aide to Vice President Dick Cheney will have a last chance to convince a jury he is not guilty of perjury on Tuesday as a trial that has exposed the inner workings of the White House draws to a close.

In four weeks of testimony, jurors have heard about the Bush administration's efforts to rebut an
Iraq war critic shortly after the war began in 2003.

But they never heard direct testimony from defendant Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's former chief of staff, or his former boss.

Libby is charged with lying to investigators trying to determine who exposed CIA analyst Valerie Plame after her husband accused the White House of twisting intelligence about Iraq's nuclear ambitions in the run-up to the invasion.

Libby's lawyers say he did not lie to the FBI and a grand jury intentionally, but simply misremembered his conversations about Plame at a time he was swamped by national security matters.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 01:47 pm
Okie, I assume (boldly) that you would admit that Plame's CIA ID was classified. As you well know, leaking classified information is a serious crime. And please spare us the crap about Leahy's alleged leaks. If true, this would not somehow excuse someone else.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 04:38 pm
Advocate wrote:
Okie, I assume (boldly) that you would admit that Plame's CIA ID was classified. As you well know, leaking classified information is a serious crime. And please spare us the crap about Leahy's alleged leaks. If true, this would not somehow excuse someone else.


Most people that work for the CIA have their identity protected,as far as I know.
That does NOT mean that their jobs are classified or covert.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 04:43 pm
It's no longer "covert," when our media spreads the news that an agent works for the CIA by name.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 04:45 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
It's no longer "covert," when our media spreads the news that an agent works for the CIA by name.


You are confusing covert and classified.
I was stationed on a submarine for a year,and much of what I learned about the subs abilities are classified,meaning I cant talk about them.

That does not mean that the info is covert,it just means it cant be talked about.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 04:50 pm
"covert - hidden or disguised - n. protected place..."
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 04:52 pm
mysteryman wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
It's no longer "covert," when our media spreads the news that an agent works for the CIA by name.


You are confusing covert and classified.
I was stationed on a submarine for a year,and much of what I learned about the subs abilities are classified,meaning I cant talk about them.

That does not mean that the info is covert,it just means it cant be talked about.


From the word of Larry Johnson, retired CIA -

Quote:
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Valerie Plame was undercover until the day she was identified in Robert Novak's column. I entered on duty with Valerie in September of 1985. Every single member of our class--which was comprised of Case Officers, Analysts, Scientists, and Admin folks--were undercover. I was an analyst and Valerie was a case officer. Case officers work in the Directorate of Operations and work overseas recruiting spies and running clandestine operations. Although Valerie started out working under "official cover"--i.e., she declared she worked for the U.S. Government but in something innocuous, like the State Department--she later became a NOC aka non official cover officer. A NOC has no declared relationship with the United States Government. These simple facts apparently are too complicated for someone of Ms. Toensing's limited intellectual abilities.


There really isn't any doubt that she was undercover; only whether or not the law was broken when her identity was revealed.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 05:14 pm
co·vert /adj. ˈkoʊvərt, ˈkʌvərt; n. ˈkʌvərt, ˈkoʊvərt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[adj. koh-vert, kuhv-ert; n. kuhv-ert, koh-vert] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
-adjective 1. concealed; secret; disguised.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 06:14 pm
Again, cicerone, forget the dictionary. The definition that matters is in the law. How many times does this have to be repeated? Do you get it now?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 06:18 pm
okie wrote:
Again, cicerone, forget the dictionary. The definition that matters is in the law. How many times does this have to be repeated? Do you get it now?


Do you get it yet? You have no knowledge that she was or was not undercover according to the law. So stop spouting off as if you do.

I predict Fitz nails him on every charge except possibly the Obstruction of Justice.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 06:24 pm
I would ignore the dictionary if your compatriot, mm, hadn't questioned my use of "covert." Do you, get it?
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 06:42 pm
Chief Libby trial blogger says she believes prosecutor 'wants Cheney,' 'won't rest on laurels' Brian Beutler
Published: Tuesday February 20, 2007

This weekend, RAW STORY interviewed Marcy Wheeler, one of the blogosphere's most tireless observers and analysts of the CIA leak investigation and the I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby Trial.

In the interview, she revealed that she believes that Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald will press forward with his investigation, and that his ultimate target is Vice President Dick Cheney: "I'm not entirely convinced that Fitzgerald's done. I used to be conservative on that, believing that he was done. But there are little snippets of hints that he's not."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 06:47 pm
Another thought comes to mind. I would prefer that Fitzgerald's investigation continues after Bush is out of office. That way, he can't do anything about the convictions of Cheney, et al. if it comes to that.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 06:53 pm
Suppose he goes after Bushie as an unindicted co-conspiritor. The Libby trial proved a vast White House conspiracy to out Plame. How important was that betrayal? It disintegrated our Iranian intelligence cell.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 06:59 pm
The Raw Story | MSNBC confirms: Outed CIA agent was working on IranAccording to current and former intelligence officials, Plame Wilson, ... WILSON'S COVER WAS BLOWN, THE ADMINISTRATION'S ABILITY TO TRACK IRAN'S NUCLEAR ...
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 20 Feb, 2007 09:17 pm
It will be interesting to read the actual transcript of Fitzgerald's closing statements. This is the way it was recorded by blogger at Firedoglake

Quote:
He had a motive to lie, and he lied in a way that exactly matches his motive. You don't forget something on Thursday that you've passed along on Monday and Tueday. You don't forget about important arguments. You know they talked about a cloud over the VP.,

DONT YOU THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE ENTITELD TO ANSWERS. If as a result his wife had a job, she worked at CPD, She gets dragged into newspapers. People want to find out was a law broken when people want to know, who did it. What role did Defendant play. What role did VP play? He told you he may have discussed this with VP. Don't you think FBI desesrves straight answers. When you go in taht jury room, you commonsense will tell you hthat he made a gamble. He threw sand sin the eyes o fthe FBI. He stole the truth of the judicial system. You return guilty you give truth back.

Emphasis in bold is mine. Misspellings are hers.


It certainly could read as if Fitz is angry that he wasn't able to find out the role played by the VP in all this. The actual court transcript my be different.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2007 06:05 am
Quote:


URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17202408/site/newsweek/
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2007 10:15 am
Bernie, thanks for the interesting information on Hohit and other matters. This raises some interesting implications.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 21 Feb, 2007 10:59 am
It also puts the last nail in Libby's coffin.
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