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Fitzgerald Investigation of Leak of Identity of CIA Agent

 
 
snood
 
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Reply Sun 11 Feb, 2007 08:39 pm
I don't think they'll ever get Cheney on the stand. If anything at all, he'll figure a way to give a statement without being under oath (again).
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 11 Feb, 2007 09:39 pm
Why wouldn't y'all think that this gem of a human being wouldn't leap to testify in support of his aide, Scooter. Support, of course, entails telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth; something that is second nature to the big C.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 11 Feb, 2007 09:43 pm
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Libby trial sheds light on White House
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 11 Feb, 2007 09:44 pm
Cheney thinks he's invincible, because they've been shielded so long. His ego will overcome anything he sees as a negative to appear in court.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 12 Feb, 2007 08:47 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
parados, You give congress too much credit. They're about as inert as a box of baby powder.

They have to stand for election in a year and a half.

How many safe districts are there where they can ignore the war and the administration thumbing its nose at the court?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 12 Feb, 2007 01:51 pm
Parados, All that rhetoric about pushing for a vote on Iraq is not worth the paper it's written on. It has no effect on Bush's surge. It's a waste of time and money.

The present congress is still too scared about being seen as not supporting our troops or being unpatriotic. They talk while our soldiers get killed and maimed. They're all hopeless. I hope they all get voted out during the next election, and find people who can be trusted to do their jobs demanded by the American People.

Just hearing themselves talk on the floor of congress is not one of them.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 12 Feb, 2007 01:56 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Parados, All that rhetoric about pushing for a vote on Iraq is not worth the paper it's written on. It has no effect on Bush's surge. It's a waste of time and money.

The present congress is still too scared about being seen as not supporting our troops or being unpatriotic. They talk while our soldiers get killed and maimed. They're all hopeless. I hope they all get voted out during the next election, and find people who can be trusted to do their jobs demanded by the American People.

Just hearing themselves talk on the floor of congress is not one of them.


They're building up to it. The Dems in Congress know that they have nothing but time on their side, and striking too early could ruin the whole show.

PErsonally I want what you want - immediate action. But I don't see it happening before this summer.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 12 Feb, 2007 04:59 pm
Cyclo, I found this inbedded in an article: "Democratic leaders in the House and Senate have vowed to force an end to U.S. participation in the war, and made debate over a nonbinding resolution a symbolic first step."
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 12 Feb, 2007 06:31 pm
More on a possible Cheney appearance in court:


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/12/washington/12cheney.html?ex=1328936400&en=3692c54a5d946a7c&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 12 Feb, 2007 10:43 pm
If Cheney did testify, I say, so what? What would be the point? Trial testimony clearly shows Richard Armitage as the original leaker, and not simply mentioning Plame casually a time or two, but "several times and sometimes in explicit terms" to Woodward.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/12/D8N8A5Q80.html

This happened in mid June of 2003, clearly prior to what happened in regard to Libby wherein Fitz is attacking like a rabid dog to prove Libby lied about something. Meanwhile, multiple inconsistencies are clearly present in the testimonies of other people before the Grand Jury, but I guess Fitzgerald does not care about them, or even the original leaker, Richard Armitage. So we are left to assume Fitzgerald does not care at all about the crime he was given to investigate, that he has yet to determine was actually a crime, but instead has worked feverishly to build a case against one of many people that have inconsistent testomonies about what they said and who they said it to years ago. This is truly incredible.

For now, let us look at one huge inconsistency, that of Andrea Mitchell, who claimed lots of people in the media knew about Plame:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/12/D8N89ABG0.html

"Novak and Pincus are two of several journalists whom Libby's attorneys planned to call. These lawyers also are fighting hard to force NBC foreign affairs reporter Andrea Mitchell to testify about why she said that Plame's identity was "widely known" even before the Novak column was published.

Mitchell has since recanted those comments and has said that she cannot explain them.

A key dispute in the case involves Mitchell's NBC colleague, Tim Russert. Libby says Russert told him in July 2003 that "all the reporters know" Plame worked for the CIA. Russert said that never happened because he didn't know who Plame was at the time."


I'd like to know how Andrea Mitchell can recant something that she said in very likely sincerity? When she said it the first time, she had no reason to lie, but when she recanted, she does have a reason to lie, so my conclusion is her first statement that lots of people knew is probably true, and moreover, it is fully logical and expected, given how they all talk to each other about this kind of stuff behind the scenes. And I think Russert has ample reason to lie. It further explains why he seemed unusually tuned into the Plame story, and unusually more biased than his normal everyday bias.

I will admit my bias, but I would not trust Russert, or any of the rest of the media people involved in this any further than I could throw them. I have also felt from the very beginning that Woodward knows alot more than he is saying, because of the simple fact that he is not his usual bias self, but instead played down this affair from the beginning. He probably blabbed his information from Armitage to several people, and therefore would like to see this affair die a quiet death, so he could go back to playing his games with other issues.

Now, incredibly, the judge does not wish to allow the defense to question Mitchell about her inconsistent statements!

"U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton said Mitchell can be called as a witness but he wouldn't allow Libby's attorneys to ask about her inconsistent statements."

Simple question, why not? Talk about a stacked case by the judge. I guess only Fitz can ask Libby about his inconsistent statements. Now I get it. I hope the jury has a brain and can see through all of this nonsense.

I think the proceedings continue to demonstrate how stupid this whole investigation has become, and it continues to make Fitzgerald look like an incompetent partisan investigator, in my opinion of course. Again, he is building a case to throw somebody in jail about what he said about who he told what about a crime that has not been shown to be a crime, meanwhile the perpetrator of the crime that was not a crime continues to go scot free, and Fitzgerald shows absolutely no interest in the original crime or the perpetrator of the crime.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 12 Feb, 2007 11:02 pm
okie wrote:


Now, incredibly, the judge does not wish to allow the defense to question Mitchell about her inconsistent statements!

"U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton said Mitchell can be called as a witness but he wouldn't allow Libby's attorneys to ask about her inconsistent statements."

Simple question, why not? Talk about a stacked case by the judge. I guess only Fitz can ask Libby about his inconsistent statements. Now I get it. I hope the jury has a brain and can see through all of this nonsense.

I think the proceedings continue to demonstrate how stupid this whole investigation has become, and it continues to make Fitzgerald look like an incompetent partisan investigator, in my opinion of course. Again, he is building a case to throw somebody in jail about what he said about who he told what about a crime that has not been shown to be a crime, meanwhile the perpetrator of the crime that was not a crime continues to go scot free, and Fitzgerald shows absolutely no interest in the original crime or the perpetrator of the crime.


I don't think you should worry your pretty little head about any of this legal stuff, Okie.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 12 Feb, 2007 11:07 pm
I guess not. Go ahead with your condescension. Anything else would be out of character for the legal profession towards regular people. That is precisely why some lawyers, pardon me, attorneys, are held in such low esteem.

I have one more question that has been bugging me lately. How many people that either work for the CIA or do work for the CIA, as Wilson did, how many are authorized to write op ed pieces about their work in the newspapers? Maybe there are plenty, but Wilson is the first I know of. If there are plenty, we have huge problems to say the least. Is it not logical that they submit their information to the part of the agency that employs them, and then the proper people pass the information along, and then they are done with the job and they keep their mouth shut in public? The whole chain of events behind this is dumbfounding to say the least. I think Novak had it right when he had Wilson pegged with unflattering terms at the very beginning of this mess.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 14 Feb, 2007 03:30 am
A tad cowardly, these Scooter and Cheney fellas are proving to be. You'd think that had their actions and motivations (and previous statements about them) been marked by honesty and integrity that taking the stand would surely reveal their red, white and blue halos to good and helpful effect with this jury. You'd think.
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 14 Feb, 2007 10:07 am
Blatham, why not apply the same standard to Joseph Wilson, the guy that started this whole fiasco? I would love to see him take the stand, and I could think of literally dozens of questions with some very potentially fascinating answers, which probably would lead to even more fascinating questions and answers.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 14 Feb, 2007 10:31 am
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Blatham, why not apply the same standard to Joseph Wilson, the guy that started this whole fiasco?


Hmm, maybe because he isn't on trial?

Cycloptichorn
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 14 Feb, 2007 10:44 am
blatham wrote:
A tad cowardly, these Scooter and Cheney fellas are proving to be. You'd think that had their actions and motivations (and previous statements about them) been marked by honesty and integrity that taking the stand would surely reveal their red, white and blue halos to good and helpful effect with this jury. You'd think.


I guess that Scooter and Cheney will not be poster boys for the Republican Party "American Values" campaign.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 14 Feb, 2007 11:07 am
okie wrote:
Blatham, why not apply the same standard to Joseph Wilson, the guy that started this whole fiasco? I would love to see him take the stand, and I could think of literally dozens of questions with some very potentially fascinating answers, which probably would lead to even more fascinating questions and answers.


Fine with me. Perhaps a phone call into Libby's lawyers will result in a "Gee willikers! Why didn't we think of that?!" revelation, followed by a complete reversal of the vector of the evidence, Wilson's imprisonment and the elevation of Cheney and Libby to sainthood.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 14 Feb, 2007 11:52 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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Blatham, why not apply the same standard to Joseph Wilson, the guy that started this whole fiasco?


Hmm, maybe because he isn't on trial?

Cycloptichorn


The why the big deal about Cheney not testifying?
He isnt on trial either.

Also,in most criminal cases,defendants are advised by their lawyers NOT to testify.
So,why the big deal about Libby not testifying,especially since he is most likely following his lawyers advice.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 14 Feb, 2007 12:12 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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Blatham, why not apply the same standard to Joseph Wilson, the guy that started this whole fiasco?


Hmm, maybe because he isn't on trial?

Cycloptichorn


The why the big deal about Cheney not testifying?
He isnt on trial either.

Also,in most criminal cases,defendants are advised by their lawyers NOT to testify.
So,why the big deal about Libby not testifying,especially since he is most likely following his lawyers advice.


Originally, Wells (Libby's lawyer) had stated that both Libby and Cheney would testify. In fact, there has been some argument amongst the participants in the trial, because Libby's team had sought to include things they weren't allowed to include b/c Libby ended up not testifying.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 14 Feb, 2007 03:54 pm
So cyclops, it sounds like Libby wanted to testify, but since the court will not allow information that is likely pertinent to the case, in my opinion and probably in Libby's and his attorney's opinion, he declines to testify, and I can't say as I blame him if the case is framed to begin with. And as mysteryman pointed out, Cheney is not on trial either. And Libby is not on trial for leaking Plame's name, he is instead on trial for a ridiculous procedural crime.

As far as Wilson testifying, you say he isn't on trial. Well, if Fitz is so all fired thorough with what he is doing here, I maintain he has dropped a major ball by failing to grill the guy that probably knows as much or more than almost anybody about how reporters learned about his wife. I realize it is not lawyerly procedure and the opportunity for it is already over, I realize all of that, because they spent years building their small minded case against Libby and anybody else in the administration they could flush out, however I still would like to put Wilson on the stand. This whole case is a gross mis-application of justice and a total mis-direction of what Fitzgerald was assigned to do.

I am all for prosecuting people for real crimes, but this case revolves around nothing more than politics, pure and simple. And the man that started the political game walks scot free, Mr. Joseph Wilson himself.
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