Eorl Wrote:
Quote:What the "pro-life" follks seem to be avoiding is facing the consequences of the rules they wish to introduce.
Let me give an example too.
A girl is 15. Her father has been having sex with her since she was ten. Her father has assured her that he will kill her if anyone ever knows. She falls pregnant...she knows the child is the product of incest and will have an abortion. Sure, even those against abortion would probably agree to allow it...if she tells everybody it's her father's !!!! If abortion is illegal, she will still find a way...at much greater risk to her life.
Those of you who made it illegal will throw your hands in the air and say it's all the fathers fault, which of course it is....but you can't avoid the responsibilty of the risks you force her to take with your laws.
Some of you would say every life is sacred and the baby should be born and the daughter/mother forced to raise it....but no, somehow I am the one who is morally corrupt....go figure
(go on real life, ask me to produce reliable figures of how many fathers ever got their daughters pregnant and nobody ever found out)
Now you have entered into my world, Eorl. This is something I can speak to directly because of my experience.
I was raped by my father and yes, he threatened to kill me if I told. Also, I became pregnant. And, I was not a Christian at the time. I never for one second thought of abortion! Not one second. I would have the child and raise the child and love the child. That was my only thought. However, at five months pregnant I lost the child. From the second I knew I was pregnant, I knew I was carrying a child, not a fetus.
I would be very interested in hearing just how many times this happens and no one knows. I would be very interested in hearing how many backstreet abortions are performed in these cases.
I know women that have had multiple abortions because they were not responsible enough to get pregnant in the first place. Making something legal to help regulate it IMO never works. It just makes it legal.
Eorl Wrote:
Quote:My morals and my values tell me that it is cruel and ignorant to create an environment that requires a 14 year old girl to track down an illegal backyard abortion clinic and withhold proper medical care from her. Your morals and values tell you she deserves death for the crime of her pregnancy...but hey, if a book says a god is on your side, then yours must be better.
Do what you can to prevent unwanted pregnancy by all means (and you better include contraception and the morning after pill) but don't jettison your responsibility to find a realistic solution if it happens anyway.
How dare you question my morals and values ? I value life as much if not more than you, which is why I would save a dog before an 8 week foetus, only my idea of what constitutes a valuable life is not twisted by ridiculous church propaganda.
So many smug christians all soooo comfortable in their certainty of everything.....unquestionable right and wrong, black and white morals....standards written by gods....if only you could see how twisted and sick you look from where I stand.
Track down an illegal backyard abortion clinic? How many illegal backyard abortion clincs are there? I would think this is a very small percentage, but would be more than willing to see some figures on this.
Why do you think Christians are smug? Because we believe what we believe and we stand up for that? We are not calling you smug for standing up for what you believe Eorl. What good are beliefs if you don't stand up for them?