ABORTION.......

I should qualify my previous post that I am not pro-abortion in the sense that I think anyone should be able to kill the child they carry for any reason at any time. I am pro choice in the sense that I have seen and do approve of abortion in very narrowly defined extreme cases.

And just to make my position even more clear, I agree with Foxfyre's last post 100%.

They're trying to deflect the issue again Intrepid. I should qualify my previous post to state that I think it is neither moral nor ethical or should be legal to kill a baby, born or unborn, for any reason, at any time.

But they don't want to deal with the morality of killing a baby. They want to say that the legal right to do so is sufficient to make it okay.

They're trying to deflect the issue again Intrepid. I should qualify my previous post to state that I think it is neither moral nor ethical or should be legal to kill a baby, born or unborn, for any reason, at any time.

But they don't want to deal with the morality of killing a baby. They want to say that the legal right to do so is sufficient to make it okay.

They're trying to deflect the issue again Intrepid. I should qualify my previous post to state that I think it is neither moral nor ethical or should be legal to kill a baby, born or unborn, for any reason, at any time.

But they don't want to deal with the morality of killing a baby. They want to say that the legal right to do so is sufficient to make it okay.

Frank,

Just because you or some other person, scientist, etc., said it is not a baby doesn't make it so.

Silly game? I hardly think the taking of innocent lives of children that do not ask to be brought into this world because of someone's actions is a silly game.

Phoenix, the difference here is I don't think a woman has the right to make that choice. I don't believe anyone has the right to decide whether a growing human being should be killed.

Foxfyre wrote:

They're trying to deflect the issue again Intrepid. I should qualify my previous post to state that I think it is neither moral nor ethical or should be legal to kill a baby, born or unborn, for any reason, at any time.

But they don't want to deal with the morality of killing a baby. They want to say that the legal right to do so is sufficient to make it okay.

I guess Fox thinks that if she says this enough times...it will become a truth rather than simply another in what is becoming a series of lies.

I have absolutely no problem with dealing with "the morality of killing a baby"....and I don't think any of the pro-choice people do.

In fact, just about every one of us has dealt with it.

But that doesn't mean anything to Fox. She, like Gobbels, apparently thinks that lies repeated often enough....stick.

More evangelical Christians support a woman's right to abortion, according to a new analysis.

The research also shows that since the 1970s there has been an increase in support for a woman's right to choose.

Sociologist Katharine Betts has tracked opinion polls between the mid-1970s and 1990s, which show support for unqualified access to abortion has risen from 30 to 50 per cent.

A survey of social attitudes last year found that 53 per cent of evangelical Christians - defined as Baptists, Lutherans and Pentecostals - agreed with the statement "a woman should have the right to choose whether or not she has an abortion".

"There is a concentration of opposition to abortion among evangelical Christians, but despite this, a majority support the right to choose," Dr Betts told The Age.

Dr Betts' research, outlined in the Monash journal People and Place, comes amid renewed political debate about Australia's liberal abortion practices.

Foxfyre wrote:

They're trying to deflect the issue again Intrepid. I should qualify my previous post to state that I think it is neither moral nor ethical or should be legal to kill a baby, born or unborn, for any reason, at any time.

But they don't want to deal with the morality of killing a baby. They want to say that the legal right to do so is sufficient to make it okay.

I guess Fox thinks that if she says this enough times...it will become a truth rather than simply another in what is becoming a series of lies.

I have absolutely no problem with dealing with "the morality of killing a baby"....and I don't think any of the pro-choice people do.

In fact, just about every one of us has dealt with it.

But that doesn't mean anything to Fox. She, like Gobbels, apparently thinks that lies repeated often enough....stick.

Funny, that the law says she cannot profit off of the avails of prostitution from her own body and nobody mentions this.

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Phoenix, the difference here is I don't think a woman has the right to make that choice. I don't believe anyone has the right to decide whether a growing human being should be killed.

Again, it is a matter of perception, and legality. A fetus is not a legal human being, a woman who is pregnant, is. As such, her rights trump the rights of the fetus, every time.

I am disturbed at the term "pro-abortion" being bandied about on this thread. I don't think that any mature, intelligent person has an abortion lightly. It is a serious decision fraught with conflicts, and emotional and physical ramifications.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

They're trying to deflect the issue again Intrepid. I should qualify my previous post to state that I think it is neither moral nor ethical or should be legal to kill a baby, born or unborn, for any reason, at any time.

But they don't want to deal with the morality of killing a baby. They want to say that the legal right to do so is sufficient to make it okay.

I guess Fox thinks that if she says this enough times...it will become a truth rather than simply another in what is becoming a series of lies.

I have absolutely no problem with dealing with "the morality of killing a baby"....and I don't think any of the pro-choice people do.

In fact, just about every one of us has dealt with it.

But that doesn't mean anything to Fox. She, like Gobbels, apparently thinks that lies repeated often enough....stick.

And maybe you think if you say enough times that a human with formed body, functioning brain, and beating heart is not a baby that even you will begin to believe it.

Did you mean Goebbels?

What lies are you alluding to, Frank?

A careful reading would also show that every single prolifer understands that there are circumstances that make abortion a necessity and not one of us would stand in the way of a choice made on that basis nor would we judge any woman for the choice she makes in these agonizing decisions.

So those who advocate a woman being able to kill her unborn child at any time for any reason in any place are not pro-choice in the sense that they think the woman should have choice in anything, even anything pertaining to her own body. They focus on her having choice to kill her unborn child even if it just because she doesn't want it or it is an inconvenience. That's not pro-choice. That's pro abortion.