ABORTION.......

IMHO, a woman gives up her "right to her body" when she becomes pregnant and is carrying a living being inside of her through her own actions. She now shares her body with the infant to be. What basic biological right do you speak of?

Birth control methods are readily available and she has the "right" to avail herself of them. I do agree with abortion, in the very early stages, if a woman becomes pregnant through rape.

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Intrepid wrote:

IMHO, a woman gives up her "right to her body" when she becomes pregnant and is carrying a living being inside of her through her own actions. She now shares her body with the infant to be. What basic biological right do you speak of?

Birth control methods are readily available and she has the "right" to avail herself of them. I do agree with abortion, in the very early stages, if a woman becomes pregnant through rape.

I've already brought this point up a few times. It bounces off of Frank like a wet nerf ball.

Many have brought this point up at some point in time. I am not trying to change his mind. It would be easier to remove Mount Everest one chip at a time.

We are all entitled to our opinions. What irks me is that Frank thinks his opinion is the only one that counts. He is not the only one, but he appears to be the leader.

Once she becomes pregnant, the woman's body is a vessel for the developing child. Just as suicide is illegal, so should aborting (killing) the developing baby be if we consider the vessel to be the woman's body.

This is not about a woman's body... it is about the killing of that which is inside of her body. A separate living being.

Once she becomes pregnant, the woman's body is a vessel for the developing child. Just as suicide is illegal, so should aborting (killing) the developing baby be if we consider the vessel to be the woman's body.

This is not about a woman's body... it is about the killing of that which is inside of her body. A separate living being.

I do agree with abortion, in the very early stages, if a woman becomes pregnant through rape.

Yep.

That is the way you want to see things.

For you...it is not about a woman's body. But for the woman...it is about her body. That is what I meant about it being personal.

You want to embue the fetus with rights that take away fundamental rights the woman has over her own body.

It ain't gonna happen.

Intrepid" wrote:

IMHO, a woman gives up her "right to her body" when she becomes pregnant and is carrying a living being inside of her through her own actions. She now shares her body with the infant to be. What basic biological right do you speak of?

Birth control methods are readily available and she has the "right" to avail herself of them. I do agree with abortion, in the very early stages, if a woman becomes pregnant through rape.

Inrepid- If, as you say a woman gives up the right to her body, what difference would it make if she were raped? If one goes along with your conclusion, no matter how she was impregnated, she still "gives up the right to her body".

Your rationale does not "compute" with me. Please explain.

Intrepid wrote:

I do agree with abortion, in the very early stages, if a woman becomes pregnant through rape.

You still haven't answered my question. If a pregnant woman's body is a vessel for the pregnancy, how can there reasonably be ANY exceptions? Or can one make exceptions on a subjective basis, with no rational core?

Also, are you one of those people who consider women simply baby making machines? I would tend to conclude that is what you believe from your posts.

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Yep.

That is the way you want to see things.

For you...it is not about a woman's body. But for the woman...it is about her body. That is what I meant about it being personal.

You want to embue the fetus with rights that take away fundamental rights the woman has over her own body.

It ain't gonna happen.

I would submit that just as you feel you have the right to try to wipe Christianity from all mankind, others have the right to try to protect the innocent.

Intreped, would you mind answering my q now?

If a woman gives up the right to her body when she gets pregnant; who has the right to that body?
How can a human being lose the right over their own body?
That doesn't make sense to me. That makes a woman less than a human being.

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Frank Apisa Wrote:

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Yep.

That is the way you want to see things.

For you...it is not about a woman's body. But for the woman...it is about her body. That is what I meant about it being personal.

You want to embue the fetus with rights that take away fundamental rights the woman has over her own body.

It ain't gonna happen.

I would submit that just as you feel you have the right to try to wipe Christianity from all mankind, others have the right to try to protect the innocent.

Well...you certainly have the right to try to take away a woman's right to have control over her own body...which is actually what you are doing.

I have no problem with that at all.

I will, however, fight you on this with everything I can bring to bear.

We'll see who prevails.

If a woman becomes pregnant through consentual intercourse, she has done so of her own free will and should follow through without using abortion as a form of birth control. She, and her partner, should have been more responsible in the first place.

Intrepid wrote:

If a woman becomes pregnant through consentual intercourse, she has done so of her own free will and should follow through without using abortion as a form of birth control. She, and her partner, should have been more responsible in the first place.

Intrepid- So may I conclude by what you are saying is that a woman deserves to be deprived the rights to her body because of an irresponsible act? On the other hand, if the pregnancy was not her "fault", (as through rape) she is entitled to control her body?

Well...you certainly have the right to try to take away a woman's right to have control over her own body...which is actually what you are doing.

I have no problem with that at all.

I will, however, fight you on this with everything I can bring to bear.

We'll see who prevails.

If you believe that I am trying to take away a woman's right to decide, how is that different from you trying to take away my right to decide on religion?

Does a person who ends up in jail because of an irresponsible act not give up something? Freedom.