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You have no idea what I want or what I believe or why I believe it, Frank.

Your personal insults aside, you demonstrate again and again that you have no idea where the pro life group is coming from. Or maybe you do know but can't acknowledge it because it causes your argument to fall like a house of cards.

Maybe I missed one comment somewhere, but I have not seen one pro-lifer on this thread advocate banning abortion for any reason, at any time, or at any place.

Your entire argument is based on the conviction that the developing child within the womb is undeserving of any consideration if the mother does not want it.

The entire argument of the pro life crowd is that the developing child within the womb is a child - a human being - with brain, beating heart, and an pre-infant's body. To us, killing that being is killing a child.

You can scream until the cows come home that abortion is not killing a human being. You will not change the mind of those who know better.

And if you don't like the words I use, simply don't read them, dear. You have my complete permission to ignore me totally. Or you can order me off your thread as you have done in the past.

Until you can show me your credentials for psychoanalysis or proof of rank of supreme diety, I will not accept your characterization of what another person believes or thinks, especially me.

Fan club? No. Just co-pro lifers on a very important issue, and probably opponents on the next.

But each and every one has provided reasoned and logical rationale for their point of view.

The pro-abortion people have used 'zygote' and 'fetus' as synonyms for non-human beings and the law that a woman is allowed to kill her baby at any point prior to complete birth as a moral license to do so.

I will go with my group. They've certainly got more going for them than the pro-aboriton side does.

Fan club? No. Just co-pro lifers on a very important issue, and probably opponents on the next.

But each and every one has provided reasoned and logical rationale for their point of view.

The pro-abortion people have used 'zygote' and 'fetus' as synonyms for non-human beings and the law that a woman is allowed to kill her baby at any point prior to complete birth as a moral license to do so. They have absolutely nothing else to add to the debate.

I will go with my group. They've certainly got more going for them than the pro-aboriton side does.

Count me in your group, foxfyre.

Frank does not listen to reason. Frank listens to Frank and his puppets like CI who encourage him with his rudeness, rhetoric, nonsense and utter disgust for anyone who dares to oppose his views. Why does dictator come to mind?

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Count me in your group, foxfyre.

Frank does not listen to reason. Frank listens to Frank and his puppets like CI who encourage him with his rudeness, rhetoric, nonsense and utter disgust for anyone who dares to oppose his views. Why does dictator come to mind?

Pot...meet kettle.

IMHO, a woman gives up her "right to her body" when she becomes pregnant and is carrying a living being inside of her through her own actions. She now shares her body with the infant to be. What basic biological right do you speak of?

Birth control methods are readily available and she has the "right" to avail herself of them. I do agree with abortion, in the very early stages, if a woman becomes pregnant through rape.

IMHO, a woman gives up her "right to her body" when she becomes pregnant and is carrying a living being inside of her through her own actions. She now shares her body with the infant to be. What basic biological right do you speak of?

Birth control methods are readily available and she has the "right" to avail herself of them. I do agree with abortion, in the very early stages, if a woman becomes pregnant through rape.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

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Count me in your group, foxfyre.

Frank does not listen to reason. Frank listens to Frank and his puppets like CI who encourage him with his rudeness, rhetoric, nonsense and utter disgust for anyone who dares to oppose his views. Why does dictator come to mind?

Pot...meet kettle.

Afraid to say what you really mean, Frank?

Intrepid wrote:

IMHO, a woman gives up her "right to her body" when she becomes pregnant and is carrying a living being inside of her through her own actions. She now shares her body with the infant to be. What basic biological right do you speak of?

Birth control methods are readily available and she has the "right" to avail herself of them. I do agree with abortion, in the very early stages, if a woman becomes pregnant through rape.

I've already brought this point up a few times. It bounces off of Frank like a wet nerf ball.

Wow!

-Standing by Frank with full body armor-

Yes, I can argue both sides. That does not make my stance 'confused'.
I have done my research and thought this through. It is not something I just decided on a whim.

I am definitively Pro-Choice. Pro-Choice does NOT equal Pro-Abortion.

I do not go around encouraging women to abort nor do I protest outside the clinics to the women who chose to have children (who never should have, IMO, but that is not my place to say).

I would fight for choice to the bloody end. I find all this insane. Pro-lifers speak of 'protecting' while attempting to strip basic biological rights from women.

It is always a woman's choice. Always. No one has a right to try and take that away. NO ONE.

How on earth do you figure that a 'woman gives up her rights to her body when she gets pregnant'?
Sorry, I don't follow the reasoning.
Whose body is it once she pregnant?
The gov't's? The developing child's?

IMO: so long as a woman is alive, it is her body. With child or without.