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Whoa... I'm trying to explain in fast simple words what most American Women think about men, any men, who believe they have the right (somehow...I have no idea where they get off) to tell them how to run their lives. Get out. I'll say it again. You have no right to do so.

We don't tell anyone what to do, we only enforce the things you can't do.

You can run your life all you want, but you have a responsibility for that child in your womb. You made the choice to have sex, you have the responsibility of your actions.

If you can't do the time......don't do the dance that creates more humans.

We still have a responsibility for our actions though. This doesn't change. We are bound by the law, at least fiscally, to the child.

I always forget that it is impossible to argue with a brick....

Here we go again. We don't agree so we are resorting to name calling and such.

I don't believe in abortion. I believe it is the killing of a child.

Some believe it is the woman's right to have the choice to an abortion. I don't. To me, that's like having the right to decide to commit murder.

And why the heck do people keep slamming other's avatars in these threads? What the blazes does anyone's avatar have to do with anything?

Abortion is a very controversial topic. It seems that whatever side you are on, you are very passionate about that position.

But, let's not whip up on each other here! Please.

The argument keeps coming back to the same point of disagreement:

a) That the woman has the right to do whatever she wishes with he own body vs

b) The woman does not have the right to do whatever she wishes with the separate body within the womb.

The advocates of a) never even speak of that separate body or if they do, they diminish it to sub-human status.

The advocates of b) hold to a principle of respect for human life and see no difference between a seventh-month premie in the womb and one on life support in an incubator.

Once you see the baby fighting for its life in that incubator, however, there is no rational way to say that this is not a human being, or that it is not 100% wrong to intentionally kill it for convenience or just because you can.

The argument keeps coming back to the same point of disagreement:

a) That the woman has the right to do whatever she wishes with he own body vs

b) The woman does not have the right to do whatever she wishes with the separate body within the womb.

The advocates of a) never even speak of that separate body or if they do, they diminish it to sub-human status.

The advocates of b) hold to a principle of respect for human life and see no difference between a seventh-month premie in the womb and one on life support in an incubator.

Once you see the baby fighting for its life in that incubator, however, there is no rational way to say that this is not a human being, or that it is not 100% wrong to intentionally kill it for convenience or just because you can.

Once you see the baby fighting for its life in that incubator, however, there is no rational way to say that this is not a human being, or that it is not 100% wrong to intentionally kill it for convenience or just because you can.

I agree with Frank. It is personal. It's about as personal as it gets.
Real life, comparing abortion to homicide?! That's ridiculous!!

I think that if I were in Piffka's position; I'd probably be pretty damn angry myself. She has one hell of a fight on her hands.
Leave your guilt and shame at the church, folks.

Well spoken, Foxyfyre.

Your're listening I see.

Perhaps the passion blinds us all from going into the gray area (a developing child not yet born).
There is a lot at risk.

I agree with Frank. It is personal. It's about as personal as it gets.

Real life, comparing abortion to homicide?! That's ridiculous!!

I think that if I were in Piffka's position; I'd probably be pretty damn angry myself. She has one hell of a fight on her hands.
Leave your guilt and shame at the church, folks.

Foxfyre wrote:

The argument keeps coming back to the same point of disagreement:

a) That the woman has the right to do whatever she wishes with he own body vs

b) The woman does not have the right to do whatever she wishes with the separate body within the womb.

The advocates of a) never even speak of that separate body or if they do, they diminish it to sub-human status.

The advocates of b) hold to a principle of respect for human life and see no difference between a seventh-month premie in the womb and one on life support in an incubator.

Once you see the baby fighting for its life in that incubator, however, there is no rational way to say that this is not a human being, or that it is not 100% wrong to intentionally kill it for convenience or just because you can.

Well spoken, Foxyfyre.
You're listening I see!

Perhaps the passion blinds us all from going into the gray area (a developing child not yet born).
There is a lot at risk.

I wrote

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Once you see the baby fighting for its life in that incubator, however, there is no rational way to say that this is not a human being, or that it is not 100% wrong to intentionally kill it for convenience or just because you can.

flushd writes

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I agree with Frank. It is personal. It's about as personal as it gets.
Real life, comparing abortion to homicide?! That's ridiculous!!

I think that if I were in Piffka's position; I'd probably be pretty damn angry myself. She has one hell of a fight on her hands.
Leave your guilt and shame at the church, folks.

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Well spoken, Foxyfyre.

Your're listening I see.

Perhaps the passion blinds us all from going into the gray area (a developing child not yet born).
There is a lot at risk.

Now I have seen people inadvertently argue both sides of the issue, but this is pretty remarkable.

Needless to say, I don't have a clue where you stand on this issue.

I do know that legal rights and moral rights are often separate things. And I am arguing on another thread that principle should always precede law and it is principle that should dictate law.

Sooner or later the law that allows women to kill the children in their wombs will be challenged. The whole purpose of the national debate is to influence the law that we ultimately wish to see in place. I think what we have now is not the way the majority wants it to be.