ABORTION.......

So I ask the question again:

Since you consider abortion to be such an odious thing....why didn't your god or Jesus or Paul EVER MENTION IT?

Most of Paul's letters were addressed to specific people/churches and addressed problems said churches were concerned with. Abortion may well not have been a problem, thus Paul did not touch on it.

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

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Frank Apisa wrote"

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They are not mentioned by the god.

It is included the murder category.

It is not mentioned by the god! Period.

If it is anywhere near the abhorrant thing you people are making of it...why was it not mentioned by the god specifically....and why did Jesus not mention it specifically...and why did Paul not mention it specifically?

"27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people."

Num 5:27 If she has defiled herself by being unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings the curse will cause bitter suffering. She will become infertile,* and her name will become a curse word among her people.
Num 5:28 But if she has not defiled herself and is pure, she will be unharmed and will still be able to have children.

This speaks of infertility...NOT abortion

Mesquite, if you want to talk about some other topic then feel free to start a new thread. Your response has absolutely nothing to do with this topic and does not advance anything to the discussion. Your response is simply an attempt to deflect an honest and reasonable explaination for the question Frank asked.

11 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,

13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner;

14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:

15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.

Taking on one of the most highly charged questions in the abortion debate, a team of doctors has concluded that fetuses probably cannot feel pain in the first six months of gestation and therefore do not need anesthesia during abortions.

Their report, being published today in The Journal of the American Medical Association, is based on a review of several hundred scientific papers, and it says that nerve connections in the brain are unlikely to have developed enough for the fetus to feel pain before 29 weeks.

The finding poses a direct challenge to proposed federal and state laws that would compel doctors to tell women having abortions at 20 weeks or later that their fetuses can feel pain and to offer them anesthesia specifically for the fetus. article

Study Finds 29-Week Fetuses Probably Feel No Pain and Need No Abortion Anesthesia

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Taking on one of the most highly charged questions in the abortion debate, a team of doctors has concluded that fetuses probably cannot feel pain in the first six months of gestation and therefore do not need anesthesia during abortions.

Their report, being published today in The Journal of the American Medical Association, is based on a review of several hundred scientific papers, and it says that nerve connections in the brain are unlikely to have developed enough for the fetus to feel pain before 29 weeks.

The finding poses a direct challenge to proposed federal and state laws that would compel doctors to tell women having abortions at 20 weeks or later that their fetuses can feel pain and to offer them anesthesia specifically for the fetus. article

Frank Apisa wrote:

So I ask the question again:

Since you consider abortion to be such an odious thing....why didn't your god or Jesus or Paul EVER MENTION IT?

I know I will regret getting involved in this one, but what the heck.

Maybe God, Jesus or Paul did mention it, but it just was not recorded by those who wrote the gospel accounts of Christ's life. Most of Paul's letters were addressed to specific people/churches and addressed problems said churches were concerned with. Abortion may well not have been a problem, thus Paul did not touch on it.


If it is anywhere near as huge a sin as some here think it is...why did the god not mention it with enough emphasis so that it would be recorded?

Same for Jesus and Paul.

Hell...the god and Paul spent plenty of time telling us that slavery is okay and moral...

...why would this abortion thing not be handled properly?

Abortionist...is the world second oldest profession....occasioned in part by the oldest.

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I hope this serves to satisfy you Frank. I don't expect it to, mind you, but I can always hope.

Why not just post if you have something to post...and stop worrying about whether or not it "satisfies."

Proverbs 6:16  These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17  A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18  An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19  A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

So your point is that if an act is not condemned by name by "the God of the bible", that the act is sanctioned by it?

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So your point is that if an act is not condemned by name by "the God of the bible", that the act is sanctioned by it?

My point is not a point...it is a question:

Why, if the act is such an abomination...was it never condemned by the god of the Bible...by Jesus...or by Paul.

The all certainly condemned all sorts of things.

Snood...why do you suppose none of them condemned abortion...even though someone like Hippocrates, working on behalf of Apollo, thought it repugnant enough to condemn?

Frank Apisa wrote:

snood wrote:

So your point is that if an act is not condemned by name by "the God of the bible", that the act is sanctioned by it?

My point is not a point...it is a question:

Why, if the act is such an abomination...was it never condemned by the god of the Bible...by Jesus...or by Paul.

The all certainly condemned all sorts of things.

Snood...why do you suppose none of them condemned abortion...even though someone like Hippocrates, working on behalf of Apollo, thought it repugnant enough to condemn?

Just a little old harmless question that didn't mean nothin', huh? You wouldn't be trying to add support to your overall "position" - that the "God of the bible" is petty, cruel, vindictive, etc., etc., etc., ? The "God of the bible" doesn't condemn female genital mutilation either - should reasonable people draw some sort of halfass conclusion from that?

Interesting that you think I should not post in a thread about religion and abortion, a verse that can be reasonably assumed to address abortion. Would you have felt better if I had included more context so that it was obvious that it was the lord directing the abortion?

Numbers 5:11-15

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11 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

12 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,

13 And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner;

14 And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:

15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.