ABORTION.......

I'm thinking that this thread seems more and more appropraite for the "which religion is the true religion" thread as well as the abortion issues.

I envy those on both sides of the extreme - the pro life and those who are the liberalists. They say either yes, or no. For people who are in the middle, like me, balancing conflicting measures can be difficult. I'm a roman catholic, but I am also realistic and being a female, I certianly believe that we should have the choice to decide what we want to do with our own bodies. Another consideration is the growing population of the world today - I support China's one child policy which advocates abortion, of course. I think that the church need to wake up to much of today's realities. Even conservative RC's in catholic countries are arguing that the church need to stay out of issues such as homosexuality, etc. I would add to that, contraception and abortion.

You are not realistic at all.

pragmatic wrote:

I'm thinking that this thread seems more and more appropraite for the "which religion is the true religion" thread as well as the abortion issues.

I envy those on both sides of the extreme - the pro life and those who are the liberalists. They say either yes, or no. For people who are in the middle, like me, balancing conflicting measures can be difficult. I'm a roman catholic, but I am also realistic and being a female, I certianly believe that we should have the choice to decide what we want to do with our own bodies. Another consideration is the growing population of the world today - I support China's one child policy which advocates abortion, of course. I think that the church need to wake up to much of today's realities. Even conservative RC's in catholic countries are arguing that the church need to stay out of issues such as homosexuality, etc. I would add to that, contraception and abortion.

The unborn has it's own unique DNA, and develops it's own heartbeat and brainwaves at a very early stage.

Women should control their own bodies. But it's the child's body that is destroyed in an abortion.

You are not realistic at all.

ah but they might say that the murderer loses her right to eternal bliss

.......... in face the issues of the world today - over population; children who are born into families who can't and won't take care or responsibility for them; social and public issues. It's realities like this that abortion suddenly doesn't seem like a bad thing after all..............

pragmatic wrote:

.......... in face the issues of the world today - over population; children who are born into families who can't and won't take care or responsibility for them; social and public issues. It's realities like this that abortion suddenly doesn't seem like a bad thing after all..............

Let's see. Overpopulation? So you think that extermination is a good solution to that?

Or how about neglectful or abusive families? Yeah. The kid, if born, might be treated badly, so let's chop and dismember him. (That's not treating him badly?)

You are not realistic.

They are not mentioned by the god.

Frank Apisa wrote"

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They are not mentioned by the god.

It is included the murder category.

Intrepid wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote"

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They are not mentioned by the god.

It is included the murder category.

It is not mentioned by the god! Period.

If it is anywhere near the abhorrant thing you people are making of it...why was it not mentioned by the god specifically....and why did Jesus not mention it specifically...and why did Paul not mention it specifically?

Frank Apisa wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote"

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They are not mentioned by the god.

It is included the murder category.

It is not mentioned by the god! Period.

If it is anywhere near the abhorrant thing you people are making of it...why was it not mentioned by the god specifically....and why did Jesus not mention it specifically...and why did Paul not mention it specifically?

Why would it be mentioned by name when it is murder and would be included in that category.

Because the word abortion was not mentioned by Jesus or Paul it makes it ok?????

Why ask me Frank, you seem to have all the answers.

Why would it be mentioned by name when it is murder and would be included in that category. Because the word abortion was not mentioned by Jesus or Paul it makes it ok????? Why ask me Frank, you seem to have all the answers.

Intrepid wrote:

Why would it be mentioned by name when it is murder and would be included in that category. Because the word abortion was not mentioned by Jesus or Paul it makes it ok????? Why ask me Frank, you seem to have all the answers.

Seems like a perfectly reasonable query to me. Apparently both Jesus and Paul had lots to say about a myriad of life's contingencies. If they were against abortion, why wasn't it mentioned? Or have later clergy decided to extrapolate the particular of abortion from the generality of murder? Did Jesus or Paul even consider abortion murder, or is this simply a modern interpretation?

Phoenix32890 wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Why would it be mentioned by name when it is murder and would be included in that category. Because the word abortion was not mentioned by Jesus or Paul it makes it ok????? Why ask me Frank, you seem to have all the answers.

Seems like a perfectly reasonable query to me. Apparently both Jesus and Paul had lots to say about a myriad of life's contingencies. If they were against abortion, why wasn't it mentioned? Or have later clergy decided to extrapolate the particular of abortion from the generality of murder? Did Jesus or Paul even consider abortion murder, or is this simply a modern interpretation?

Did Jesus have to say, " OK, you guys. Thou shalt not strangle, stab, choke, hang, dismember, poison, drown, bludgeon, push off a cliff or run over with a chariot." ????

The continuous semantic attempts to weasel out of the obvious are just pathetic.

Frank,
You are on the same planet as we are and even in the same general geographical location. You manage to mention things through the use of foul language, insults, curious ramblings and other things that the majority of those on this site do not use or portray. Why don't the rest of these fine folks use your language and tactics? Suggesting a comparison between Hippocrates, Jesus and Paul is a weak and straw clutching arguement as to why they did not specifically mention abortion. You can read of John leaping in the womb in Matthew but this would mean nothing to you.

Interesting that I made the same kind of argument that you did but you classify mine as absurd. You are forgetting about the question because you do not have a reasonable answer to it. Most of your questions are rhetorical so we are used to that.