ABORTION.......

Frank Apisa wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Frank,one question.

Should that "right to choose" extend beyond pregnancy?

Should a woman be granted say 3 months after the birth to decide she doesnt want the child and be able to legally dump it and never look back?

No.

Then lets make it easier for you.
lets say the child is less then 14 days old.
Should a parent then be allowed to abandon that infant,and never look back?

Stop with the childish games, will ya. You are not anywhere near up to the job of subtlty.

What the hell are you asking?

Do you agree or not that a womans "right" to choose what happens to her baby extends to after the baby is born?
Should she be allowed to abandon that child before that child is 14 days old,even if it kills the child?

Its a simple question.

I am asking if you agree with laws already on the books.

http://www.dhs.state.ia.us/safehaven/safehaven.asp

Whats wrong,are you afraid that you were being led into a trap?

Do you agree with these laws,even if it means a baby could possibly die as a result?
After all,isnt it a mothers CHOICE what she does with her baby?
Isnt she exercising her "right to choose" by abandoning an infant like this?

Though not asked directly, I agree with safehaven laws.

Frank, I think this is what you were concerned about… this thread turning into a circus…with clowns all inclusive.

I've been laughing my lungs out all day from all the nonsense being posted here. I just don't know how you can continue responding incoherent posts with such seriousness and dedication.

(Every time, when I enter and read from a thread like this one, I feel like I'm back in high school.)

Thanks for the answer, Frank.

One more thing. Let us, hypothicaly of course, assume that there is no religion or heaven and that the soul does not go anywhere. You seem to think this is the case anyhow. What would your argument be towards those who think that abortion is wrong.

Actually, this is not so hypothetical because there are those who do not follow religion who still think that abortion is wrong. After all, I think that it is a moral issue more than religious.

Jason Proudmoore wrote:

Frank, I think this is what you were concerned about… this thread turning into a circus…with clowns all inclusive.

I've been laughing my lungs out all day from all the nonsense being posted here. I just don't know how you can continue responding incoherent posts with such seriousness and dedication.

(Every time, when I enter and read from a thread like this one, I feel like I'm back in high school.)

Did you ride the coattails and suck up to the guys in highschool, too?

again,you avoid the question,so lets make it so simple that a 5 year old can understand it (and if you still cant,go ask a 5 year old to read it to you)...

Do you agree with the safehaven laws??

Its a simple yes or no answer.

Frank, I think this is what you were concerned about… this thread turning into a circus…with clowns all inclusive.

I've been laughing my lungs out all day from all the nonsense being posted here. I just don't know how you can continue responding incoherent posts with such seriousness and dedication.

(Every time, when I enter and read from a thread like this one, I feel like I'm back in high school.)

Intrepid wrote:

Thanks for the answer, Frank.

One more thing. Let us, hypothicaly of course, assume that there is no religion or heaven and that the soul does not go anywhere. You seem to think this is the case anyhow. What would your argument be towards those who think that abortion is wrong.

Actually, this is not so hypothetical because there are those who do not follow religion who still think that abortion is wrong. After all, I think that it is a moral issue more than religious.

Hi Intrepid,

You are so right. It is true that there are many who follow no religion but still believe abortion to be wrong. That is because they recognize the unborn to be a living human being -- a person, an individual.[/qiote]

It is also true that there are many who follow no religion but consider abortion to be wrong...and NOT because they "recognize the 'unborn' to be a living human being."

Damn near everyone I know considers abortion to be a horrible undertaking...but most of us do not consider an embryo, for instance, to be a "living human being."

But it is fun watching Life trying to make that silly case.

Boy...that term "unborn" does sound like it comes from a horror flick, doen't it. You folks really ought to get some people with brains to help you with the image problem that expression engenders.

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If the unborn is just a blob of tissue, an appendage of the mother's body-- how could one possibly think it was wrong to destroy it? It would be like removing a mole or a wart. It would be completely illogical to think abortion was wrong if the unborn was just protein or protoplasm.

Oh, boy...talk about pathetic logic.

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But if the unborn is a person, then it is wrong to exterminate him whether you are religious or not. Medically it is quite apparent that the unborn is a person, and you don't have to be religious to realize it.

And one can have an revulsion for abortion...and consider it a terrible alternative...but still have the common decency to keep one's nose out of someone else's decision in that matter.

All of which can occur even in a person NOT considering a zygote, an embryo, a fetus...to be a living human being.

snood wrote:

Jason Proudmoore wrote:

Frank, I think this is what you were concerned about… this thread turning into a circus…with clowns all inclusive.

I've been laughing my lungs out all day from all the nonsense being posted here. I just don't know how you can continue responding incoherent posts with such seriousness and dedication.

(Every time, when I enter and read from a thread like this one, I feel like I'm back in high school.)

Did you ride the coattails and suck up to the guys in highschool, too?

Not as much as I should've.

Pete and Repeat.................................

Deja-vous all over again......................

Where has the excitement gone?

There was more sport dialoging with Jason :wink:

Hi Frank,

Just wondering if you could work on the quote thing a bit. You seem to be attributing comments to me that I did not make.

Thank you, and have a nice day.