ABORTION.......

That's ok. I see that now. We are still iin disagreement, but thanks for the response.

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Interesting article. Tragic really.

Planned Parenthood has apparently been insuring that abortion is SAFE, legal and rare by ignoring the FDA medically approved guidelines for the abortion pill and administering it vaginally instead of orally as they were supposed to.

Seven women are dead after use of the pill. Although unclear at this point whether the misuse of the drug played a part, it's interesting that PP agreed to finally follow the FDA guidelines, while defending it's earlier practice of not doing so.

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FDA Investigating Two Deaths from Abortion Pill[/u][/i]

Listen to this story... by Julie Rovner

Weekend Edition - Saturday, March 18, 2006 · The Food and Drug Administration says it is investigating two more deaths associated with the abortion pill RU-486. In the wake of the announcement, Planned Parenthood announced it would change the way it administers drug-induced abortions. And abortion opponents are stepping up their calls for the drug to be pulled from the market.

The latest reports bring to seven the number of reported deaths following drug-induced abortion............

see complete story from http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5287775&ft=1&f=1001

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real life,

How can this possibly bother you when you claim that 2 million "people die" each year in the USA due to not being born?

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Do you not think it is tragic that these women who trusted Planned Parenthood to provide responsible medical care are dead?

Do you only care about women dying from illegal abortions and not from legal ones?

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How many healthy normal women in the healthy normal child bearing age range die per year in Canada specifically and directly from legal abortion?

How many healthy normal women in the healthy normal child bearing age range die per year in the USA specifically and directly from legal abortion?

How many women of all ages and health die per year in Canada specifically and directly from childbirth?

How many women of all ages and health die per year in the USA specifically and directly from childbirth?

I have to go give the dog the bone from my T bone steak!

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real life,

How surprising you should answer my question with two questions and no answers.

Yes, I think it's extremely tragic and sad. Your turn.

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abortion :
Preservative prevents sperm to get in oocyte.. But Spiral prevents implantation of zygot to uterus. Big differences. In my conscience , I am also sad about zygot.

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Chumly wrote:

How many healthy normal women in the healthy normal child bearing age range die per year in Canada specifically and directly from legal abortion?

How many healthy normal women in the healthy normal child bearing age range die per year in the USA specifically and directly from legal abortion?

How many women of all ages and health die per year in Canada specifically and directly from childbirth?

How many women of all ages and health die per year in the USA specifically and directly from childbirth?

I have to go give the dog the bone from my T bone steak!

How are accidental deaths in childbirth relevant to Planned Parenthood's intentional disregard for approved medical procedure to gamble with the lives and health of these women?

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Eorl wrote:

real life,

How surprising you should answer my question with two questions and no answers.

Yes, I think it's extremely tragic and sad. Your turn.

Since your post refers to 2 million people dying, perhaps you should clarify if you want a relevant answer.

There are not 2 million abortions yearly in the US.

If you are adding abortions and miscarriages together, do I have to remind you that there is a huge difference between an accident and something that a person is paid money to cause intentionally?

Also are abortionists in Australia dispensing the abortion pill?

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real life wrote:

Chumly wrote:
How many healthy normal women in the healthy normal child bearing age range die per year in Canada specifically and directly from legal abortion?

How many healthy normal women in the healthy normal child bearing age range die per year in the USA specifically and directly from legal abortion?

How many women of all ages and health die per year in Canada specifically and directly from childbirth?

How many women of all ages and health die per year in the USA specifically and directly from childbirth?

I have to go give the dog the bone from my T bone steak!

How are accidental deaths in childbirth relevant to Planned Parenthood's intentional disregard for approved medical procedure to gamble with the lives and health of these women?

My questions and their inferred results are biased towards statistical weightings and as such have relevance to the big picture. As to your point, no one should be immune from reproach as it relates to disregard for approved medical procedure.

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Chumly wrote:

real life wrote:
Chumly wrote:
How many healthy normal women in the healthy normal child bearing age range die per year in Canada specifically and directly from legal abortion?

How many healthy normal women in the healthy normal child bearing age range die per year in the USA specifically and directly from legal abortion?

How many women of all ages and health die per year in Canada specifically and directly from childbirth?

How many women of all ages and health die per year in the USA specifically and directly from childbirth?

I have to go give the dog the bone from my T bone steak!

How are accidental deaths in childbirth relevant to Planned Parenthood's intentional disregard for approved medical procedure to gamble with the lives and health of these women?
My questions and their inferred results are biased towards statistical weightings and as such have relevance to the big picture. As to your point, no one should be immune from reproach as it relates to disregard for approved medical procedure.

If you want to look at the big picture, there are many more unborn children who die as a result of abortion than mothers who die in childbirth.

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Define unborn children.

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Chumly wrote:

Define unborn children.

This is probably as fitting for an end to this long thread as we will ever see.

Cluelessness on the part of the supporters of abortion, in all it's simplicity.

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real life wrote:

Chumly wrote:
Define unborn children.

This is probably as fitting for an end to this long thread as we will ever see.

Cluelessness on the part of the supporters of abortion, in all it's simplicity.

Why would you say that the need for you to define your terms is "Cluelessness"?

Being that you made such a specious and unsubstantiated claim it stands to reason to expect a definition of your terms.

I challenge you to define what you mean by "unborn children"; is it right after the moment of fertilization?

Why do you presuppose such a question to be from "supporters of abortion" as opposed to a supporter of woman's rights?

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real life wrote:

If you want to look at the big picture, there are many more unborn children who die as a result of abortion than mothers who die in childbirth.

The number is quite large if you count spontaneous abortion too. Frankly, nature doesn't think too highly of the fertilised egg or the blastocyst stage. So many pregnanices abort at the early stages, you could hardly say human life starts there.

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

real life wrote:
If you want to look at the big picture, there are many more unborn children who die as a result of abortion than mothers who die in childbirth.

The number is quite large if you count spontaneous abortion too. Frankly, nature doesn't think too highly of the fertilised egg or the blastocyst stage. So many pregnanices abort at the early stages, you could hardly say human life starts there.

I disagree. In the Darwinian theory of survival of the fittest, nature has a way of naturally eliminating the weak and imperfect though obviously this is not a perfect process. But most early spontaneous 'abortions' occur because the life is not capable of developing as intended. Later miscarriages are usually because of a medical problem suffered by the mother.

When an abortion is performed, however, it is usually a healthy developing baby that is intentionally aborted.

I personally see a difference between the two.

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Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

real life wrote:
If you want to look at the big picture, there are many more unborn children who die as a result of abortion than mothers who die in childbirth.

The number is quite large if you count spontaneous abortion too. Frankly, nature doesn't think too highly of the fertilised egg or the blastocyst stage. So many pregnanices abort at the early stages, you could hardly say human life starts there.

So when does human life begin?

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Maybe the problem is that we keep trying to put bounds and parameters on something that is constantly changing. The 'human' is constantly maturing.

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thunder_runner32 wrote:

Maybe the problem is that we keep trying to put bounds and parameters on something that is constantly changing. The 'human' is constantly maturing.

That's a very good point, runner.

As you know, it is not necessary to believe that life begins at conception to hold a pro-life position.

Many people who agree that they have no idea when life might begin still come to realize that if we are to err, then we should err on the side of life.

The benefit of the doubt should go towards preserving life, not towards reckless disregard for it.

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real life wrote:

Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
real life wrote:
If you want to look at the big picture, there are many more unborn children who die as a result of abortion than mothers who die in childbirth.

The number is quite large if you count spontaneous abortion too. Frankly, nature doesn't think too highly of the fertilised egg or the blastocyst stage. So many pregnanices abort at the early stages, you could hardly say human life starts there.

So when does human life begin?

Heck if I know. This is why I tend to avoid abortion discussions, because there's no real clear cut answer. Laugh all you want. All I know is that let the women have their abortion.

The necessity of abortion is the price to pay for society's failure to prevent the unwanted pregnancy from happening in the first place, with the exception of those rare cases where the woman has less sense and more money than is good for her.

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