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Eorl wrote:

Poet, I'd do the same thing your mother did. Couldn't agree more.

Thank you, Eorl. Now, expand that picture, as an analogy, to a society level. The law is your mother. Society is the you and me.

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Chumly,

Will you please stop frustrating me!!!!

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I said THEE answer Chumly, not THE answer. If we had THEE definitive answer there would be no problem!

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Momma Angel wrote:

Chumly,

Will you please stop frustrating me!!!! I said THEE answer Chumly, not THE answer. If we had THEE definitive answer there would be no problem!

MA, did you mean that as another way of underscoring the word? THE Or were you hinting at something biblical?

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Eorl, I wanted to tell you also, that you and I are so lucky to have those kinds of parents, which so many children don't have.

One thing I can definitely say about you, you are a good debater. You don't attack. You stick to the facts, and I just wanted you to know that I really appreciate it. Smile

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Ah, so THAT's the plan of the far left !!

I wonder why our current Conservative government allowed the injecting rooms to go ahead?

Maybe because they listen to the advice of experts who DO know what they are talking about and have the courage to implement the recommended changes. Of course we don't have to worry as much about Christian fundermentalist opinion anywhere near as much as you do. Thank Christ!

As for our crime stats, why don't you believe them? Crime is waaaay worse in the US. (We have MUCH stronger gun laws which helps a LOT!)

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Oh, thanks PS. So are you! Smile

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Eorl wrote:

Ah, so THAT's the plan of the far left !!

I wonder why our current Conservative government allowed the injecting rooms to go ahead?

Maybe because they listen to the advice of experts who DO know what they are talking about and have the courage to implement the recommended changes. Of course we don't have to worry as much about Christian fundermentalist opinion anywhere near as much as you do. Thank Christ!

As for our crime stats, why don't you believe them? Crime is waaaay worse in the US. (We have MUCH stronger gun laws which helps a LOT!)

You're wrong about your assumption of "Christian" automatically being "conservative". There are plenty of LIBERAL churches that are definitely not conservative, by any means. If you think that enabling drug addicts is conservative, you are very much mistaken.

And where, if I may ask, did I compare the USA's crime stats to yours?? In fact, I very objectively pointed out the problem that this country has, which causes the crime to be as high as it is.

Also, statistics have shown here, that in states which have stricter gun regulations have more crime. And that's a fact, jack. When a criminal knows a law-abiding citizen could have a gun in his pocket, he is less likely to be robbed or even killed. When guns are taken away from the law-abiding citizens, the criminals are the only ones who still have them. Hence, more victims, more crime.

P. S. - I think your conservative government is betraying their conservatism. Just as the "right" does over here, at times. They "sold out" for points with the people.

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PoetSeductress wrote:

snood wrote:
Similar arguments have been made about proponents of the death penalty - that they should all have to witness one before they advocated an execution.

I've watched it on TV, a long time ago. In the old days of the early frontier times, it was common for people to watch a hanging.

There is a big difference between killing someone who has proven themselves lethal to society, and an innocent unborn infant who has committed not crime.

Hey lady, I was trying to agree with you...
shee

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WHERE ARE YOU, MA???

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snood wrote:

PoetSeductress wrote:
snood wrote:
Similar arguments have been made about proponents of the death penalty - that they should all have to witness one before they advocated an execution.

I've watched it on TV, a long time ago. In the old days of the early frontier times, it was common for people to watch a hanging.

There is a big difference between killing someone who has proven themselves lethal to society, and an innocent unborn infant who has committed not crime.

Hey lady, I was trying to agree with you...
shee

I apologize, snood. My mistake. Smile

HEY, SNOOD! I know that name! I remember you. You have a much nicer avatar, now. Your other one was too mean-looking.

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Eorl wrote:

Oh, thanks PS. So are you!

Thank you, sweetly. Smile

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PoetSeductress,

No! I didn't mean it Biblically!

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I meant thee as the ONE answer. The definitive answer.

And you are right about Eorl. He's very much the gentleman. He and I don't agree on a lot of issues, but he's always been a gentleman. He's another one of those that understands personal attacks do nothing to help a debate.

In other words, Eorl ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Quote:

There is a big difference between killing someone who has proven themselves lethal to society, and an innocent unborn infant who has committed not crime.

An infant is a child that is born, therefore your statement
doesn't make sense.

Here are the legal definitions, in case there is some misunderstanding here:

An embryo is a diploid eukaryote in its earliest stage of development.

A fetus is a developing mammal after the embryonic stage and before birth.

An infant is commonly used as a slightly more formal word for baby (the youngest category of child).

It is certainly a crime to murder an infant, but it is perfectly
legal to abort an embryo.

Abortion is legal!! Whatever moral or religious views one
has, has nothing to do with the legality of it, and rightfully so.

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CalamityJane wrote:

Quote:
There is a big difference between killing someone who has proven themselves lethal to society, and an innocent unborn infant who has committed not crime.

An infant is a child that is born, therefore your statement
doesn't make sense.

Here are the legal definitions, in case there is some misunderstanding here:

An embryo is a diploid eukaryote in its earliest stage of development.

A fetus is a developing mammal after the embryonic stage and before birth.

An infant is commonly used as a slightly more formal word for baby (the youngest category of child).

It is certainly a crime to murder an infant, but it is perfectly
legal to abort an embryo.

Abortion is legal!! Whatever moral or religious views one
has, has nothing to do with the legality of it, and rightfully so.

Well, it isn't really correct to say that the moral or religious have nothing to do with the legal. The reason a lot of things got changed on the law books in this country were because of protests and boycotts and general unrest caused by a lot of people who got their motivation from their religions and morals.

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CalamityJane wrote:

Quote:
There is a big difference between killing someone who has proven themselves lethal to society, and an innocent unborn infant who has committed not crime.

An infant is a child that is born, therefore your statement
doesn't make sense.

Here are the legal definitions, in case there is some misunderstanding here:

An embryo is a diploid eukaryote in its earliest stage of development.

A fetus is a developing mammal after the embryonic stage and before birth.

An infant is commonly used as a slightly more formal word for baby (the youngest category of child).

It is certainly a crime to murder an infant, but it is perfectly
legal to abort an embryo.

Abortion is legal!! Whatever moral or religious views one
has, has nothing to do with the legality of it, and rightfully so.

A quote (not my writing):

"FACT: A fetus is a human being..... Fetus -- literally meaning 'little one' in Latin -- refers to the pre-born baby after eight week's gestation. Webster's Dictionary says a fetus has, "passed the early stages of development and attained the basic final form prior to parturition (birth)." Some people seem to have forgotten they once lived and grew in the womb as a 'fetus.' Would it have been okay if they had been aborted when they were 'only a fetus'?"

On one of my earlier posts, CJ, I stated that I wasn't addressing the legal or religious aspect (I'm no longer what you would call "religious") of abortion, but the morality of it.

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snood wrote:

CalamityJane wrote:
Quote:
There is a big difference between killing someone who has proven themselves lethal to society, and an innocent unborn infant who has committed not crime.

An infant is a child that is born, therefore your statement
doesn't make sense.

Here are the legal definitions, in case there is some misunderstanding here:

An embryo is a diploid eukaryote in its earliest stage of development.

A fetus is a developing mammal after the embryonic stage and before birth.

An infant is commonly used as a slightly more formal word for baby (the youngest category of child).

It is certainly a crime to murder an infant, but it is perfectly
legal to abort an embryo.

Abortion is legal!! Whatever moral or religious views one
has, has nothing to do with the legality of it, and rightfully so.

Well, it isn't really correct to say that the moral or religious have nothing to do with the legal. The reason a lot of things got changed on the law books in this country were because of protests and boycotts and general unrest caused by a lot of people who got their motivation from their religions and morals.

Agreed, snood. Morals have everything to do with law. Morals are not religion, but are principals which can also be found in religion.

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While defining the importance of morality, let's not make the mistake of assuming that those who are pro-life are the more moral, however much they demand it to be true.

I see my position as far more moral...and indeed Christian.

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The reason a lot of things got changed on the law books in this country were because of protests and boycotts and general unrest caused by a lot of people who got their motivation from their religions and morals.

Yes Snood, unfortunately so for the religious beliefs, who are quite diversified nowadays.

Quote:

FACT: A fetus is a human being..... Fetus -- literally meaning 'little one' in Latin -- refers to the pre-born baby after eight week's gestation.

That's not a fact, PS.
A fetus is an organism (not a human being yet) as yet
underdeveloped, and in the process of becoming an individual, if given the chance.

Also the morality of it (abortion) lays within each woman,
not you, not me, or the government.

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Momma Angel wrote:

PoetSeductress,

No! I didn't mean it Biblically! I meant thee as the ONE answer. The definitive answer.

And you are right about Eorl. He's very much the gentleman. He and I don't agree on a lot of issues, but he's always been a gentleman. He's another one of those that understands personal attacks do nothing to help a debate.

In other words, Eorl ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, no, MA... I think we were too nice to Eorl! He has left us!!!

WHERE ARE YOU, EORL??? You can still fight us, if you like. Cool

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I agree with Snood and PoetSeductress. It's not the religious aspect, it's the moral aspect. Even the non-religious have morals. :wink:

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