Eorl
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 09:50 pm
see three posts above Razz
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 09:50 pm
They're just not correlating with your morals, MA.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 09:51 pm
Repost: got lost in the wake

Eorl wrote:
While defining the importance of morality, let's not make the mistake of assuming that those who are pro-life are the more moral, however much they demand it to be true.

I see my position as far more moral...and indeed Christian.
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PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 09:58 pm
ABORTION.......
Eorl wrote:
While defining the importance of morality, let's not make the mistake of assuming that those who are pro-life are the more moral, however much they demand it to be true.

I see my position as far more moral...and indeed Christian.


I should say that no one is perfect, Eorl, on the right or the left. But in all honesty, I could not ever support a party that advocated abortion as a perfectly moral thing to do. All other immorality (aside from child rape), pales in comparison.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 09:59 pm
Ok, stop the presses here! Eorl, you are saying you are Christian? Am I reading that correctly?

Or are you saying you believe your views on this issue are more moral and more Christian?

I don't see it as anyone being more moral here. I see it as having different morals yes, but I can't judge someone moral or not just from one single issue in their life.
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PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:04 pm
ABORTION.......
CalamityJane wrote:
Quote:
The reason a lot of things got changed on the law books in this country were because of protests and boycotts and general unrest caused by a lot of people who got their motivation from their religions and morals.


Yes Snood, unfortunately so for the religious beliefs, who are quite diversified nowadays.

Quote:
FACT: A fetus is a human being..... Fetus -- literally meaning 'little one' in Latin -- refers to the pre-born baby after eight week's gestation.


That's not a fact, PS.
A fetus is an organism (not a human being yet) as yet
underdeveloped, and in the process of becoming an individual, if given the chance.

Also the morality of it (abortion) lays within each woman,
not you, not me, or the government.


From WorldNet Dictionary:

human being - (n) any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae

A fetus is a living human member, inside the woman's womb. Not yet legally a "person", but still a human being.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:23 pm
Yeah, what PoetSeductress said! Laughing
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Eorl
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:26 pm
MA, no not a Christian per se...although I like much of the wisdom he espoused.

Yes, from my POV, my position on this is more moral and more Christian.

It's important to understand how our side sees this, rather than assuming (as some might) that a LACK of morals is the cause of our position.

Christ has nothing to say about abortion .... and other parts of the bible place a lower value on the crime of causing a woman to miscarry than it does on killing a complete human being.
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PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:28 pm
Eorl wrote:
MA, no not a Christian per se...although I like much of the wisdom he espoused.

Yes, from my POV, my position on this is more moral and more Christian.

It's important to understand how our side sees this, rather than assuming (as some might) that a LACK of morals is the cause of our position.

Christ has nothing to say about abortion .... and other parts of the bible place a lower value on the crime of causing a woman to miscarry than it does on killing a complete human being.


I don't care about what the Bible says, at this time, Eorl. We're talking morality, here.
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PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:29 pm
ABORTION.......
Eorl wrote:
MA, no not a Christian per se...although I like much of the wisdom he espoused.

Yes, from my POV, my position on this is more moral and more Christian.

It's important to understand how our side sees this, rather than assuming (as some might) that a LACK of morals is the cause of our position.

Christ has nothing to say about abortion .... and other parts of the bible place a lower value on the crime of causing a woman to miscarry than it does on killing a complete human being.


I don't care about what the Bible says, at this time, Eorl. We're talking morality, here.
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PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:32 pm
Re: ABORTION.......
PoetSeductress wrote:
CalamityJane wrote:
Quote:
The reason a lot of things got changed on the law books in this country were because of protests and boycotts and general unrest caused by a lot of people who got their motivation from their religions and morals.


Yes Snood, unfortunately so for the religious beliefs, who are quite diversified nowadays.

Quote:
FACT: A fetus is a human being..... Fetus -- literally meaning 'little one' in Latin -- refers to the pre-born baby after eight week's gestation.


That's not a fact, PS.
A fetus is an organism (not a human being yet) as yet
underdeveloped, and in the process of becoming an individual, if given the chance.

Also the morality of it (abortion) lays within each woman,
not you, not me, or the government.


From WorldNet Dictionary:

human being - (n) any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae

A fetus is a living human member, inside the woman's womb. Not yet legally a "person", but still a human being.


From WorldNet Dictionary:

human being - (n) any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae

A fetus is a living human member, inside the woman's womb. Not yet legally a "person", but still a human being.

"NEWS FLASH"

I JUST DISCOVERED THAT FETUS MEANS PERSON.

Fetus = Offspring = Person

fetus: Middle English, from Latin fētus, a bringing forth or offspring.

This is a more accurate definition:

(Funk & Wagnalls)

1) The progeny or issue of a person, animal, or plant; descendant.
2) Any result or product: the offspring of his mind

It looks like the pro-abortionists best find another term to use, other than fetus. They are trying so hard to de-humanize it, so that they don't feel guilty about it. But in reality, there is no proper word to use, that would excuse it away. They'll have to coin a new word that will match up with their conscience. Laughing
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:32 pm
Actually, Eorl, I'm sticking with PoetSeductress on this. We have agreed pretty much to leave religion out of it and just consider the morality of it.

Now, you and others, see the born as a human being and the fetus as not a human being, correct?

I, PoetSeductress, and others, see the fetus as a child; therefore a human being, correct?

And you believe that because you think it's not a human being that makes your stance more moral?

Am I correct so far? If not, please correct me.
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PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:35 pm
Re: ABORTION.......
PoetSeductress wrote:
PoetSeductress wrote:
CalamityJane wrote:
Quote:
The reason a lot of things got changed on the law books in this country were because of protests and boycotts and general unrest caused by a lot of people who got their motivation from their religions and morals.


Yes Snood, unfortunately so for the religious beliefs, who are quite diversified nowadays.

Quote:
FACT: A fetus is a human being..... Fetus -- literally meaning 'little one' in Latin -- refers to the pre-born baby after eight week's gestation.


That's not a fact, PS.
A fetus is an organism (not a human being yet) as yet
underdeveloped, and in the process of becoming an individual, if given the chance.

Also the morality of it (abortion) lays within each woman,
not you, not me, or the government.


From WorldNet Dictionary:

human being - (n) any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae

A fetus is a living human member, inside the woman's womb. Not yet legally a "person", but still a human being.


From WorldNet Dictionary:

human being - (n) any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae

A fetus is a living human member, inside the woman's womb. Not yet legally a "person", but still a human being.

"NEWS FLASH"

I JUST DISCOVERED THAT FETUS MEANS PERSON.

Fetus = Offspring = Person

fetus: Middle English, from Latin fētus, a bringing forth or offspring.

This is a more accurate definition:

(Funk & Wagnalls) for offspring:

1) The progeny or issue of a person, animal, or plant; descendant.
2) Any result or product: the offspring of his mind

It looks like the pro-abortionists best find another term to use, other than fetus. They are trying so hard to de-humanize it, so that they don't feel guilty about it. But in reality, there is no proper word to use, that would excuse it away. They'll have to coin a new word that will match up with their conscience. Laughing
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Eorl
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:45 pm
Yes, and I see not taking responsibility for the health of teenagers who make mistakes as highly immoral.

(I might just take a moment to again state my general dislike of abortion, tempered by my greater dislike of the consequences of making abortion illegal)
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PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:54 pm
ABORTION.......
Eorl wrote:
Yes, and I see not taking responsibility for the health of teenagers who make mistakes as highly immoral.

(I might just take a moment to again state my general dislike of abortion, tempered by my greater dislike of the consequences of making abortion illegal)


When it was illegal (except to save the mother's life), the number of women who died from illlegal abortions were unfortunate. But the numbers in no way compared to the millions of unborn human beings that are being massacred for the sake of convience.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:55 pm
Eorl wrote:
PoetSeductress, you make too many assumptions. If the issue was as simple as you say, the solution would be obvious and every country in the world would make abortion illegal just like they do with the killing of a six-year-old.

The fact that you don't understand the complexity doesn't make you right.

Perhaps every "pro-lifer" should be made to watch a mixed up 14 year old kill herself with a coat-hanger


I have been reading about your 14 year olds for months now. It is as nonsensical now as it was then. It really amazes me that you always use 14 years old. Not 13, 15, 16, 17, 18.....22.....25....35...40.

If your reason for condoning abortion is that 1 in a million 14 year olds will die by her own hand with a coat hanger, I think the lives of thousands of innocent babies outweighs your argument.
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PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:58 pm
ABORTION.......
Intrepid! Do you realize that this is the second time that we have posted the same thoughts, at the same time?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 10:59 pm
The same thoughts on a very important issue. Can we both be wrong? ;-)
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PoetSeductress
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 11:07 pm
Intrepid wrote:
The same thoughts on a very important issue. Can we both be wrong? ;-)


We are accurate, Intrepid.

Remember this?

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:38 pm Post: 1899354 -
shewolfnm wrote:
Is up late...



Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:45 pm Post: 1899364 - Post
PoetSeductress wrote:
Thinks 10:45 PM is late... Cool



Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:46 pm Post: 1899366 -
Intrepid wrote:
Thinks 11:30 in the evening is late...
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Eorl
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 11:09 pm
...and so again it comes down to what you define as a person. Stop trying to tell me that killing people is wrong. I KNOW that. Instead, prove that foetuses are people.

I'll trust the majority view of doctors and scientists, while you folks ask your priests.

Intrepid - I started with a 14 year old example and I see no reason to change it. For me, girls around that age are the most likely to suffer from outlawing abortion. The way I see it, they are the ones most in need of my advocacy.
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