Sweet Jason, LOL. Once the egg is fertilized, then it is a human being, not before. Now, there are those that will say that it is not a human being until it is actually born. .
This is my point Jason. I do not believe that any person has the right to decide someone does not have the right to be born. PERIOD.
The child did not ask to be conceived.
There are circumstances where I can certainly understand a woman having an abortion (i.e., rape, incest, extreme health issues, etc.) I don't like it, but I can understand it.
But, once the woman becomes pregnant this is a new life we are talking about here. This is a human life. That used to be a sacred thing and it doesn't seem to be any longer.
Now, it seems if it is just to inconvenient for a woman to carry the child for whatever reason, she just disposes of it. .
Now, for those of us that view this as a human being from the very beginning can't you see how we might find this rather shocking? .
To me and others, this is infanticide .
Plain and simple. Hence, the relevance to Hitler. Hitler thought the Jews were subhumans with no rights and were parasites on this earth. Well, ask Frank. He will tell you that a fetus is a parasite in the body of a woman who is the host.
Frank and others seem to think that it is all about taking away a woman's choice for me and others. In fact, what it is for me, and I think I can speak for some others on here, is the life of an innocent child that when the mother decides to kill it, has no one or nothing to stand up for it's rights.
I don't happen to think a woman's rights should trump an innocent baby's rights .
The woman obviously can stick up for herself. Yes, she might have to suffer some psychologocial or physical consequences of the pregnancy. I would think that suffering those consequences would be a lot easier to live with than the thought of disposing of a child would be.
I used to think the only reason so many were Pro-Choice was because no one could definitively say it was a human being from conception. Well, I found out that's not the way it is. Even if it were a proven fact, there are those that would still advocate the woman's choice to abort if she wanted to. It's very hard for me to understand why one wouldn't want to err on the side of caution in something so important. Well, it's important to me. Life is sacred to me.
Momma Angel wrote:
Sweet Jason, LOL. Once the egg is fertilized, then it is a human being, not before. Now, there are those that will say that it is not a human being until it is actually born. .
I'm not sweet, MA. I'm sour. But you are sweet like a peach.
So, the egg and the sperm have to be fertilized so it can be called "human being."
But the zygote has the DNA of the mother and the father, doesn't it? And it is alive and the same thing applies to sperms, MA.
Sour is definitely NOT a word I would use to describe you, Jason. Don't know about the peach part, but thanx!
You say zygote, fetus, etc. I say child. Jason, without the sperm the egg is not a human being and never will be. Without the sperm, an egg is not a human being and never will be.
Momma Angel wrote:
This is my point Jason. I do not believe that any person has the right to decide someone does not have the right to be born. PERIOD.
And how many doctors, police officers, astronauts, veterinarians, fire fighters, lawyers (you get the idea) are not born every day because the rest of the sperms that weren't chosen by the egg, were discarded? The poor sperms are dead...DEAD, MA...!
That's cute, Jason! But, sorry, not cute enough for me to fall for that.
Momma Angel wrote:
The child did not ask to be conceived.
It is not a child, MA not yet.
Not to you, but to me it is. So, with you, I think we can just agree to disagree and still get along, don't you?
Momma Angel wrote:
There are circumstances where I can certainly understand a woman having an abortion (i.e., rape, incest, extreme health issues, etc.) I don't like it, but I can understand it.
Hypocrite but sweet.
Can't deny at all it is rather hypocritical, Jason. Some things in life are not always so black and white and this is definitely one of those areas for me where gray seems to be the right color.
Momma Angel wrote:
But, once the woman becomes pregnant this is a new life we are talking about here. This is a human life. That used to be a sacred thing and it doesn't seem to be any longer.
When was life sacred, MA? Religion (its norms) has killed more people than anything on this planet Earth.
Again, I cannot deny that many have been killed in the name of religion. So, perhaps I was speaking for myself. Life is sacred to me.
Momma Angel wrote:
Now, it seems if it is just to inconvenient for a woman to carry the child for whatever reason, she just disposes of it. .
If the fetus is inside of her, she can do what she wants with it even eat it for breakfast, MA.
Ok, now that is just gross, Jason! But I get your point. We will have to agree to disagree on this point.
Momma Angel wrote:
Now, for those of us that view this as a human being from the very beginning can't you see how we might find this rather shocking? .
No. But I'm doing everything in my metal power to understand.
And that is why I have no problem at all discussing this with you, Jason. I can tell that you really are trying to understand my side and I do appreciate that. If more were as amiable as you are being, perhaps things could be a bit better for everyone.
Momma Angel wrote:
To me and others, this is infanticide .
Infanticide? Wow, Momma, you just hit the ball out of the park but the child isn't born yet. Infanticide is the act of killing an infant, when it is born in this world.
I get your point Jason, I really do. But, to me it's a child from conception and until I have a real reason to believe otherwise, well, that's just the way it is for me.
Momma Angel wrote:
Plain and simple. Hence, the relevance to Hitler. Hitler thought the Jews were subhumans with no rights and were parasites on this earth. Well, ask Frank. He will tell you that a fetus is a parasite in the body of a woman who is the host.
Hitler still irrelevant to this argument, MA.
Ok, tell you what, I'll just drop this reference and let it go.
Momma Angel wrote:
Frank and others seem to think that it is all about taking away a woman's choice for me and others. In fact, what it is for me, and I think I can speak for some others on here, is the life of an innocent child that when the mother decides to kill it, has no one or nothing to stand up for it's rights.
There is no child yet, MA.
Yeah, yeah, we are going to agree to disagree here (well, if you agree to that, that is.
Momma Angel wrote:I don't happen to think a woman's rights should trump an innocent baby's rights .
A fetus has no rights.
Maybe not legal rights but what about moral rights?
Momma Angel wrote:
The woman obviously can stick up for herself. Yes, she might have to suffer some psychologocial or physical consequences of the pregnancy. I would think that suffering those consequences would be a lot easier to live with than the thought of disposing of a child would be.
Disposing of a child is wrong on the other hand, a woman getting rid of her fetus
Yeah, yeah, we are agreeing to disagree (I hope.)
Momma Angel wrote:
I used to think the only reason so many were Pro-Choice was because no one could definitively say it was a human being from conception. Well, I found out that's not the way it is. Even if it were a proven fact, there are those that would still advocate the woman's choice to abort if she wanted to. It's very hard for me to understand why one wouldn't want to err on the side of caution in something so important. Well, it's important to me. Life is sacred to me.
If the woman is capable, by law, to get rid of the piece of protein growing inside of her, she would still have the right to decide what to do with her own body. Simple.
Legally, yes. I just don't happen to agree with it. However, it's not something I get to vote on anyway. I just get to have these nice conversations with guys like you and exchange views and opinions.
Jason, I really do appreciate the attitude you have taken with me. It's refreshing to discuss this with someone who treats me with the respect that you have. Thanx again!
" but it was too late, someone posted after me.
Intrepid, are you retarded? Didn't you come up with that scenario?
But let me ask you a question...another one.
If the twins are sharing a "key" organ (or whatever), how is that "parasite" to you?
