ABORTION.......

Oh Bartikus, do not get me started! He would call God barbaric and even if Frank knew it was a human being he'd still say it's ok to kill it? I am absolutely sick to my stomach about this.

I know it's just a discussion but man, I can't believe anyone would actually think it's ok to kill a human being and then get ticked off because somebody else might think it's murder. And hiding behind a dictionary's definition is no excuse IMO!

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What kind of scenarios are these? They don't make any sense at all, with the argument established on this thread.

Since my sperms are alive and consist entirely of my own DNA, do I have the right to kill them all as I'm their host? Are sperms even considered human beings? They have my DNAand they are alive. They should be regarded as human beings, according to the logical nonsense from some of you. (If killing my own sperms is committing murder, I'm in biggggg trouble.)

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Jason,

None of us said that sperm were human beings. C'mon sweetie. Keep up.

There are those that believe it is a human being from the point of conception and some do not. My scenario was if it was PROVEN IT WAS A HUMAN BEING from conception would you still say a woman's rights trumped the life of the child.

Frank seems to think that a fetus is a parasite and not a human being. I told him Hitler felt the same way about the Jews.

God forbid society ever gets to thinking that past a certain age a person is a parasite on the rest of the world, or if you are handicapped, etc.

Think that's a pretty big jump do ya' Frank? Hmmm. Well, I think it's a pretty big jump from what used to be thought of as a human being from conception to now being called a parasite.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Jason,

None of us said that sperm were human beings. C'mon sweetie. Keep up.

There are those that believe it is a human being from the point of conception and some do not. My scenario was if it was PROVEN IT WAS A HUMAN BEING from conception would you still say a woman's rights trumped the life of the child.

Frank seems to think that a fetus is a parasite and not a human being. I told him Hitler felt the same way about the Jews.

God forbid society ever gets to thinking that past a certain age a person is a parasite on the rest of the world, or if you are handicapped, etc.

Think that's a pretty big jump do ya' Frank? Hmmm. Well, I think it's a pretty big jump from what used to be thought of as a human being from conception to now being called a parasite.

Science does show it's a human being from the point of conception.

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Bartikus,

I am one that does believe it is a human being from the point of conception. And I didn't need science to tell me that.

I think others will tell you it is a potential human being but not a human being, something like that. I'm sure someone will correct me if I stated that wrong.

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Jason Proudmoore wrote:

What kind of scenarios are these? They don't make any sense at all, with the argument established on this thread.

Since my sperms are alive and consist entirely of my own DNA, do I have the right to kill them all as I'm their host? Are sperms even considered human beings? They have my DNAand they are alive. They should be regarded as human beings, according to the logical nonsense from some of you. (If killing my own sperms is committing murder, I'm in biggggg trouble.)

Nothing at all to do with the discussion. Carry on with what you were doing. ;-)

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Intrepid,

Cracking me up again! Laughing

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Momma Angel wrote:

None of us said that sperm were human beings. C'mon sweetie. Keep up.

I'm trying to keep up with all the nonsense being served, sweet Ma. Regarding my questions above, what makes a cell a human being?

Momma Angel wrote:

There are those that believe it is a human being from the point of conception and some do not. My scenario was if it was PROVEN IT WAS A HUMAN BEING from conception would you still say a woman's rights trumped the life of the child.

Regardless of the "human being" crap being discussed here, a woman has the right to decide what to do with her bodyas I have the right to do with my own sperms that exist in my scrotum. Even if I had human beings growing inside my scrotum, I believe that I'd have the right to do what I want with them.

Momma Angel wrote:

Frank seems to think that a fetus is a parasite and not a human being. I told him Hitler felt the same way about the Jews.

Sweet MAbeautiful MAgo and get the meaning of the word "parasite" and the definition of the word "symbion."

Hitler's example is irrelevant here, MA.

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Intrepid wrote:

Jason Proudmoore wrote:
What kind of scenarios are these? They don't make any sense at all, with the argument established on this thread.

Since my sperms are alive and consist entirely of my own DNA, do I have the right to kill them all as I'm their host? Are sperms even considered human beings? They have my DNAand they are alive. They should be regarded as human beings, according to the logical nonsense from some of you. (If killing my own sperms is committing murder, I'm in biggggg trouble.)

Nothing at all to do with the discussion. Carry on with what you were doing. ;-)

Thanks. :wink:

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Momma Angel wrote:

Frank,

In the scenario given, it WAS DECIDED it was a human being and you still advocated it's death! You can't wiggle out of that!

Nothing to "wiggle out of" MA.

NO MATTER WHAT...a woman has a right to control her own body. If she wants to terminate a pregnancy...she should be able to do so with you or the government telling her she cannot.

By the way...if science proved that a zygote is a zygote...and an embryo is an embryo...and a fetus is a fetus...
...would abortion be okay with you?

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Bartikus wrote:

Do you remember calling our God barbaric Frank?

BARBARIC GOD you wrote right?

If you are one of the Christians...your god is one of the most disgusting, barbaric, murderous, vindictive, cruel monsters ever created by the human mind.

Why do you ask?

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Intrepid,
You notice how Frank just ignored your question.
Interesting that he wont answer that one.I wonder why not.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Bartikus,

I am one that does believe it is a human being from the point of conception. And I didn't need science to tell me that.

I think others will tell you it is a potential human being but not a human being, something like that. I'm sure someone will correct me if I stated that wrong.

I did'nt need science to tell me that either. But, some say we are fools to be guided by the Bible and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. These same folks ask where the scientific evidence is for this and that and to believe this or that without evidence is......stupid.

The Lord Jesus said.

What good does it do to know all the answers to the mysteries of life or to be able to move mountains.....if you have not love?

Without love...we have nothing.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Bartikus wrote:
Do you remember calling our God barbaric Frank?

BARBARIC GOD you wrote right?

If you are one of the Christians...your god is one of the most disgusting, barbaric, murderous, vindictive, cruel monsters ever created by the human mind.

Why do you ask?

If an unborn child is scientifically proven to be a human being.

Would that unborn child....that human being be guilty of any crime or wrongdoing whatsoever in your opinion?

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mysteryman wrote:

Intrepid,
You notice how Frank just ignored your question.
Interesting that he wont answer that one.I wonder why not.

Yes, I noticed MysteryMan. Why? Because it does not suit his purpose. he is afraid to answer real questions that he can't refute. On the other hand, he may be working feverishly to come up with some inane answer.

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Intrepid wrote:

I don't know why I even bother, but I will now ask another question that does not include abortion as such.

I don't know why you bother...but some people just have no control.

Quote:

Frank, If a pair of adult conjoined twins can be separated with a medical procedure that would save one, but the other would die, is is acceptable for one to decide that the other should die so that they should live since the other is a parasite attached to their body?

No.

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Then, Frank, you explain to us the difference between this person and the mother.

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Silly scenarios...I'm tellin' ya.

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Intrepid wrote:

Then, Frank, you explain to us the difference between this person and the mother.

I can explain the differences if Frank is not able.

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FRank,
You sidestepped my questions also.
Go back and read them and tell me your answers.

Lets see just how far you are willing to go with a person being in control of their own body.

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