ABORTION.......

An embryo is a life, is not an opinion. Life is simply a property that one possesses if it takes in food and receives energy from it. Simple enough. Not an opinion. No evangelizing needed. Did you ever notice the word evangelizing is centered around the word "angel"/
ps I studied human physiology.

Hey, an honest syncophant - fancy that. He didn't imply human, or separateness - you inferred it. He simply said a life is not an opinion, but a fact. All the voodoo labels to prove the worthlessness of said life don't affect that.

non-denom christian wrote:

An embryo is a life, is not an opinion. Life is simply a property that one possesses if it takes in food and receives energy from it. Simple enough. Not an opinion. No evangelizing needed. Did you ever notice the word evangelizing is centered around the word "angel"/
ps I studied human physiology.

By using the word "life" you are implying that it is a human life. You are also implying that in the early stages it is a totally different entity than the woman that it exists within. The fetus is just that, a fetus. It is not a human life. Yes, it's made up of organic tissue. So is a cancer cell. A cancer cell absorbs "food" and receives energy from it. It also reproduces. The early stage fetus should be considered no different.

And yeah, since Frank's not here I'll just keep repeating the same old schtick.

What do you mean you can't murder a dog or a cat or a cow?! Why, because there is no law against it? Well, I beg to differ with you. Killing cats and dogs around here is against the law! Cows are killed to feed people. Cats and dogs are murdered every day!

I should know, I run a homeless cat shelter! I won't even have an abortion performed on a cat that is already pregnant! They are living creatures.

And, in my opinion, destroying a fetus is murder! That's my opinion. I have carried a child in my womb. I lost that child at five months and I grieved for years. I still do at times. I find the utter disregard for innocent children/lives just so unbelievable.

snood wrote:

Hey, an honest syncophant - fancy that. He didn't imply human, or separateness - you inferred it. He simply said a life is not an opinion, but a fact. All the voodoo labels to prove the worthlessness of said life don't affect that.

Ok, so I inferred it. If, then, he's not speaking of it as being alive in human terms then his argument is even more ludricis since the overall debate seems to be that destroying a fetus is murder. You can't murder a dog, or a cat, or a cow. Therefore, if I assume that non-denom has anything intelligent to add at all to this debate, then I would infer that he is speaking of a human life.

And Frank and I have rarely seen eye to eye. Except in this thread.

If you are going to try and take over where Frank left off you will get the same answers as he got. His, and your, foolish contention that a cancer is also living is repugnant when it is considered that you are comparing a cancer to a living fetus. The fetus has a chance, if the abortionists don't get to do their job, of becoming a productive human being.

Semantics! OK - replace the word murder with killing. You can kill a dog. You can kill a cat. You can kill a cow. You can kill a living fetus. You destroy germs...not a fetus.

I still feel that this is mostly an accurate appraisal of my inclinations. However I do note that the arguments comeing from the pro-choice side are stagnant and repitive while the arguments for the pro-life side are blatant name calling and consistant guilt-inducing vomit.

Some have an open heart that cries that a life should be ended before it has a chance to experience life. Some have stone cold hearts that almost seem to revel in the butchery that takes place. .

MA, to answer your question, here is a prime example.

Intrepid wrote:

Some have an open heart that cries that a life should be ended before it has a chance to experience life. Some have stone cold hearts that almost seem to revel in the butchery that takes place. .

And Intrepid, talk about drawing battle lines?

question the validity of the statement that a fetus is a living human. Period. Your side insists that if something is living it must therefore be held sacred. My argument to you is that a cancer is living, and we most certainly do not hold IT sacred. The fool, sir, is thee.

Eorl wrote:

..... I am also troubled by the fact that you continue to put graduated levels of loss on people and animals. The loss of a child through miscarriage is no less heartbreaking than that of the 6 year old child.

It makes me wonder what has happened in your life for you to have such distorted views on life, the living, and the potential living.

This is where we differ Intrepid.

I have friends who have miscarried before 12 weeks. It happens so often (1 in 6) that most women don't tell anyone they are pregnant until after 12 weeks. Yes, there is serious grief.

I also had a friend who's baby died in utero at 8 months. The grief she felt and for that matter the grief I felt was GREATER BY FAR than if it happened earlier. (She had to go through with giving birth)

The idea that the loss of a 6 year old would not be FAR GREATER is just stupid. How insane are you that you say that? Do you have children? Worry all you like about my state of mind but seriously....a first term miscarriage is equal to the death of a six-year old???? NEVER.

This is entirely my point and one real life is also suddenly deciding he does not understand.

There IS a gradual development of a foetus from pre-dinner drinks through to 9 months. The POTENTIAL human being becoming gradually less potential and more actual along that path. To pretend a whole complete person exists on day one is just willful ignorance.

A dead six year old is equal to a first term miscarriage??? ....I'm appalled. You are stupid. There's no other way to see it.

To NOT see a "graduated loss of people and animals" is to risk being a monster through idealistic idiocy...and you say I have distorted views?

Intrepid wrote:

Eorl wrote:

..... I am also troubled by the fact that you continue to put graduated levels of loss on people and animals. The loss of a child through miscarriage is no less heartbreaking than that of the 6 year old child.

It makes me wonder what has happened in your life for you to have such distorted views on life, the living, and the potential living.

This is where we differ Intrepid.

I have friends who have miscarried before 12 weeks. It happens so often (1 in 6) that most women don't tell anyone they are pregnant until after 12 weeks. Yes, there is serious grief.

I also had a friend who's baby died in utero at 8 months. The grief she felt and for that matter the grief I felt was GREATER BY FAR than if it happened earlier. (She had to go through with giving birth)

The idea that the loss of a 6 year old would not be FAR GREATER is just stupid. How insane are you that you say that? Do you have children? Worry all you like about my state of mind but seriously....a first term miscarriage is equal to the death of a six-year old???? NEVER.

This is entirely my point and one real life is also suddenly deciding he does not understand.

There IS a gradual development of a foetus from pre-dinner drinks through to 9 months. The POTENTIAL human being becoming gradually less potential and more actual along that path. To pretend a whole complete person exists on day one is just willful ignorance.

A dead six year old is equal to a first term miscarriage??? ....I'm appalled. You are stupid. There's no other way to see it.

To NOT see a "graduated loss of people and animals" is to risk being a monster through idealistic idiocy...and you say I have distorted views?

This is where we differ Intrepid.

The idea that the loss of a 6 year old would not be FAR GREATER is just stupid. How insane are you that you say that? Do you have children? Worry all you like about my state of mind but seriously....a first term miscarriage is equal to the death of a six-year old???? NEVER.


A dead six year old is equal to a first term miscarriage??? ....I'm appalled. You are stupid. There's no other way to see it.