ABORTION.......

Which one of these things would indicate to you that the unborn is NOT a living human being, Eorl?

...and none of us are capable of surviving outside the protection of the earth! Some of us can't even survive outside the protection of our homes! Open your eyes. Can a fish survive on land? Can a christian survive without the Lord? Can an athiest survive without rebellion?

Hi Eorl,

Let's talk medical facts for a moment instead of your opinion.

At 8 weeks, the unborn has a heartbeat, her DNA is distinct from her mother's marking her as an individual and not as part of the mother's body, and brainwaves (which have been measured as early as 6 weeks) can be in evidence as well.

Which one of these things would indicate to you that the unborn is NOT a living human being, Eorl?

The earth is your host. How long could you survive without it?

For a name like questioner you sure have a lot of comments. I have already given you the answers, but you don't hear them. I have asked my God to give you a sign, he has never let me down. Be patient and you will see.

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Which one of these things would indicate to you that the unborn is NOT a living human being, Eorl?

I'm not Eorl, but I would like to put my in. At eight weeks, the fetus is absolutely incapable of living outside the host (mother). The fetus is certainly living, but I question as to whether it is living a human existence, or is merely a potential.

Are you saying that YOU are a parasite? Why belittle yourself? I sense anger in your tone. So sorry and I really mean that. When you ask that I speak more relavent, do you wish for me to change the subject then? One can't argue with the truth. Maybe I'm out of place here since this is a debate thread and I'm not.

p.s. The world was created for man and not man for the world.
It's one thing to say that you believe in God, but to know God is not the same. I sense that you want to know God also. It's simple. Ask for forgiveness of your transgressions and ask Jesus into your heart. You will be given a sign. Whatever bitterness is in your heart give it to God and you will find rest there. I'm not here to put you down, to be built up in strength and knowledge, one must choose to tear himself down first.

abortion is wrong. full stop. unless the mothers life is at risk. theres nothing more to it. its simple.

Think on this. If you lost your hands and feet, should you be allowed to live? If someone loved you and cared for you, they would see to it that you did. If you are strong, you would have no pitty upon yourself and would know that your life was important and could still be a positive influence on those around you. Even without hands and feet, you still have the gift of using your head.

raheel wrote:

abortion is wrong. full stop. unless the mothers life is at risk. theres nothing more to it. its simple.

Glad to see that it is so simple. For a moment there I was afraid that the hundreds of pages in this thread were attempting to state otherwise.

non-denom christian wrote:

Think on this. If you lost your hands and feet, should you be allowed to live? If someone loved you and cared for you, they would see to it that you did. If you are strong, you would have no pitty upon yourself and would know that your life was important and could still be a positive influence on those around you. Even without hands and feet, you still have the gift of using your head.

Flaws in your comparison:

1) A fetus has no concept of what hands and feet are, much less how the lack of said appendages would affect it. Real Life is overly fond of pointing out that there is measurable brain activity in a fetus at 6 - 8 weeks. Of course there is. The brain relegates all involuntary processes, which would be more than enough to rationale the measurements.

Keyword: involuntary. At 6 - 8 weeks you don't see movement. You don't see any sign that the fetus can perform any function at all. This is because it's not developed enough to even understand that such functions are possible.

2) A 30 year old losing his/her appendages was, at one point, born and raised. Noone doubts that this is a human, regardless of number of limbs, strength of thought. There is fairly substantial doubt surrounding the "humanity" of the fetus. You compare apples to oranges in the eyes of the pro-choice group.

Flaws in your comparison:

1) A fetus has no concept of what hands and feet are, much less how the lack of said appendages would affect it. Real Life is overly fond of pointing out that there is measurable brain activity in a fetus at 6 - 8 weeks. Of course there is. The brain relegates all involuntary processes, which would be more than enough to rationale the measurements.

Keyword: involuntary. At 6 - 8 weeks you don't see movement. You don't see any sign that the fetus can perform any function at all. This is because it's not developed enough to even understand that such functions are possible.

2) A 30 year old losing his/her appendages was, at one point, born and raised. Noone doubts that this is a human, regardless of number of limbs, strength of thought. There is fairly substantial doubt surrounding the "humanity" of the fetus. You compare apples to oranges in the eyes of the pro-choice group.