Time to put up or shut up; Upd: Coverup Continues

woiyo wrote:

old europe wrote:
People obviously don't want to see how much this really hurts America. Renditions, torture, murder. And a government that's covering things up, pretending that it is for the protection of the citizens that they remain ignorant to what is actually going on.

Now you are exagerating. Most voting Americans will admit they do not support toture, and do not think the problem is as wide-spread as you seem to think it is.

That is all I'm concerned about. I am not concerned how foreigners view the way this nation is executing it soverign right to self defense. Just as it is not my concern how England executes it's rights.

Most voting Americans will admit they do not support toture, true. And most voting Americans do not know how wide-spread the problem is, it appears. Actually, it seems to be pretty hard to find out how wide-spread it actually is for anybody who wants to know. Shouldn't the voting Americans have the right to know everything about this? Why would it be in their interest to withhold that information from them?

And you're saying that you are not concerned how foreigners view the way this nation is executing it sovereign right to self defense. That's ironic, because I thought the was the whole problem from the beginning?

But if you're saying that you are not concerned how foreigners voice their opinion about how evil the United States really are and how Americans should be killed on sight, then I probably misunderstood you.

Because either you give a sh!t about what somebody is thinking, or you don't.

Hypocrisy.

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nimh wrote:

woiyo wrote:
I have heard of no new events of so-called torture.

Well, except for that guy, presumed innocent, they tortured to death in Afghanistan an' all...

I wasn't aware "that guy" referred to a group. In America, "that guy" refers to a single individual. Is it different in Europe?

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Well, in this case it was two civilian prisoners, presumed innocent, who were tortured to death.

Would it have been better had it 'only' been one?

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woiyo wrote:

Dookiestix wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Stop being so dramatic. This isn't about torture, which has been, and remains illegal, it's about the senate's attempt to bypass the executive branch to appease liberal voters. It should be vetoed, but by using line-item veto.

The administration does not condone torture, neither do I, neither do you.

Bullsh!t. There are plenty of pictures showing how this administration has absolutely no PROBLEM with torture. Otherwise, where is the bottom line condemnation? I certainly haven't heard any.

Alberto Gonzales felt that the Geneva Convention could be messed with enough so that we could torture prisoners who MIGHT be potential informants. So, how is this NOT condoning torture?

We also send prisoners to countries which DO torture, and we do it knowingly, which further undermines your argument that the U.S. doesn't condone torture.

I have heard of no new events of so-called torture. You all continue to re-hash the same BS from months ago. The whiners and certain Democratic Senators still to this day criticize our troops in it entirety, as being the evil ones.

So now you have new pix of an old story. Seems that many of you really do not support the troops and hide behind 2 reported incidents as your way of showing your so called support for the troops.

Show me ONE Democratic Senator that has specifically expressed that he/she does NOT support our troops because they regard them as being the evil ones.

Since I know for certain that you can't, than why should you be taken seriously at all from this point on?

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How did the "support the troops" tr*sh come into this again?

Does anybody support torturing and murdering troops? I hope not. Does anybody support torturing and murdering soldiers? Better not.

I thought there was an (all American) thread on this "support our troops" somewhere in existence, so maybe we could here discuss the topic at hand.

Sorry if this sounds rude, but it's just too annoying.

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This is a typical neoconservative strategy on these threads; make an absolutely baseless accusation, and then run away like the yellow elephants that they are because they cannot back up their claims with FACTS.

You're absolutely right, old europe; this is really getting annoying now...

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It's all part of the tactic of deny, confuse, redirect. If one can't answer the question as asked, then answer the question one wishes were asked.

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McGentrix wrote:

Hey! You kust keep flipping that pancake, ok?

You can always tell when McG gets hot. He'll start insulting your avatar Rolling Eyes

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The following is what I considered new, I didn't know it about before and it goes to a new level than the pyramids.

http://www.ccr-ny.org/v2/reports/report.asp?ObjID=imOUU2rj8m&Content=608

"women and children believed to be shown in the photographs and videos"

Do you all remember seeing any pictures of women and children in the previously released pictures of the the prison abuses? If you do not then it is new, news.

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panzade wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
Hey! You kust keep flipping that pancake, ok?

You can always tell when McG gets hot. He'll start insulting your avatar

*whew*

Way to take a joke!

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Cyclo says - "So, most Americans don't support torture. Does that mean that many do?

Perhaps the reason they don't think the problem is as wide-spread is that they haven't bothered to actually research how bad it is, like we have."

The problem with your hysteria is that you overstate the problem. Most Americans would not support torture. That means SOME or A FEW DO. You however, have not sown any new occurences outside of AbuGarib and Gitmo is questionable.

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Old'ster says - And you're saying that you are not concerned how foreigners view the way this nation is executing it sovereign right to self defense. That's ironic, because I thought the was the whole problem from the beginning?

You thought wrong.

Old'ster says - "But if you're saying that you are not concerned how foreigners voice their opinion about how evil the United States really are and how Americans should be killed on sight, then I probably misunderstood you. "

So you think Americans should be shot on sight? And YES. I do not care what foreigners think.

Who would you like to shoot first??

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Hysteria, right, right

How about the two guys who were tortured to Death in Afghanistan?

How about reports of abuses and tortures at Camp Bucca?

How about our practice of Rendition, of flying people on CIA jets to Egypt and Tashkent, Uzbekistan, where they most definately have mastered the art of torture?

How about the fact that it took a year and a half for any info about AG to be released in the first place? As Nimh says, how long does it take for info about things that are happening NOW to get released?

Actually attempting to do research on what has happened makes you more informed, yaknow. You can find all this stuff out in about 3 minutes using Google.

Cycloptichorn

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Old'ster says - And you're saying that you are not concerned how foreigners view the way this nation is executing it sovereign right to self defense. That's ironic, because I thought the was the whole problem from the beginning?

You thought wrong.

Old'ster says - "But if you're saying that you are not concerned how foreigners voice their opinion about how evil the United States really are and how Americans should be killed on sight, then I probably misunderstood you. "

So you think Americans should be shot on sight? And YES. I do not care what foreigners think.

Who would you like to shoot first??

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dyslexia wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:
Baldimo wrote:

Today the London police shot and killed a suspect in the latest bombings. Did you cheer at all about it or did you feel more pity for the guy who was killed.

London police admitted shooting an innocent Brazilian.

Innocent

Yes he was innocent and I feel bad for the fact they got the wrong guy. I do have only one question to ask.

Why did he run from the police in the first place?

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So Baldimo you leap on denounding "liberals" as feeling sorry for the wrong guy as if it's a sin and then say

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I feel bad for the fact they got the wrong guy

you got a strange tale to tell and it sucks.

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dyslexia wrote:

So Baldimo you leap on denounding "liberals" as feeling sorry for the wrong guy as if it's a sin and then say
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I feel bad for the fact they got the wrong guy
you got a strange tale to tell and it sucks.

You will have to explain that one.

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Baldimo wrote:

Why did he run from the police in the first place?

Apparently he had overstaid his visum ... something of the sort. Thats why he ran.

That make it OK then?

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nimh wrote:

Baldimo wrote:
Why did he run from the police in the first place?

Apparently he had overstaid his visum ... something of the sort. Thats why he ran.

That make it OK then?

It doesn't make it ok but with what had happened in the last few weeks in the UK he should have thought twice before running. I guess others will learn from his and the police's mistakes.

People shouldn't run from the police, it only leads to people getting hurt and or killed.

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