This is Biden's America

@snood,

There is the right of self defense and the right to rescue the damsel in distress. But when in a foreign country you don't automatically own that country and its resources.

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@edgarblythe,

Our dealings in foreign countries have not been confined to destroying and pillaging.

I’m trying to imagine someone formulating a foreign policy that limits our missions to rescuing damsels in distress and punching bullies back.

Seems sort of simple minded.

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@snood,

So you favor 20 year wars of no goals or discernable progress. Don't despair. There is Syria still and potentially Venezuela, for instance.

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@edgarblythe,

You are using oversimplifications and straw men.

I don’t agree with your “all of one thing or another” view of the US role in wars.

We have done some net bad. We have done some net good.

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@snood,

I'm trying to understand the net good but haven't found it yet. There are so many examples of malevolence and greed. Why do we have so many bases in Africa and elsewhere that does not threaten us?

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@edgarblythe,

Have you seen Charley Wilson’s War?

It deals with the funding of the Afghan resistance to the Soviets.

The message is that while the Americans are very good at waging war, they’re not so good at keeping the peace after.

After spending a fortune on weapons procurement Wilson asks for a little bit more to help the country grow and it was denied.

For want of a nail etc.

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@izzythepush,

I didn't watch it.
I just don't understand the support for these actions.
Before Bush launched his invasion of Afghanistan the Taliban tried to negotiate the turning over of bin Laden. They said that if the US provided proof the man was guilty they would turn him over. Alternately they offered to turn him over to a third country. Bush said, no negotiating. The stalemate resulted in an invasion and a settling in that made no sense.

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@edgarblythe,

After 9/11 Iran was on board. Iran’s Shia Muslims had had real problems with the Taliban, the Taliban executed Iranian diplomats in 1998.

Jack Straw spent a lot of time and effort dealing with Iran, and then Bush made his axis of evil speech.

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@izzythepush,

Had the west treated Iran with respect instead of threats and undermining them with sanctions I always believed they could have become allies.

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@edgarblythe,

The Iranian people are the most pro Western in the region.

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@izzythepush,

The end games being played depend on perpetual conflict. Biden has realized only partially that it has to end. It will take one or two more presidents to get the whole message if ever they do.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

The end games being played depend on perpetual conflict. Biden has realized only partially that it has to end. It will take one or two more presidents to get the whole message if ever they do.

You do realize, don’t you, that you’re speaking as if your understanding of world affairs far supercedes that of the president’s (and the one after him, and the one after that)?

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@edgarblythe,

eddgarblythe wrote:

The end games being played depend on perpetual conflict.

That's what it takes to be king of the hill. Humanitarian rationalization are merely doublethink.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

If our leaders are creating the opponents, what should our leaders do to stop doing that?

Is it just basically take no military action period?

If we need to sit on those people for the next hundred years instead of 20 if would be far cheaper in every way then having cycles of where they do mass killings and we sit on them an then get tired of doing so allowing them to once more to gather the means to do another serious of mass murders attacks in the name of their religion.

To say nothing of allowing them to torture the people under their control with special note of the women they force to be slaves to them.

Allowing evil to exist anywhere in the world in the end result in our paying the price.

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@snood,

It's either that or they are under hidden pressures to go along with it regardless of their minds.

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@BillRM,

Heard of the Mai Lai Massacre?

You had no problems allowing that evil to exist.

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@izzythepush,

I'm done arguing with bill over it. No since wasting 500 posts for nothing.

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@edgarblythe,

Extreme language coupled with monochrome thinking.

Oralloy is the same, everything he disagrees with he calls evil.

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@snood,

snood wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:

The end games being played depend on perpetual conflict. Biden has realized only partially that it has to end. It will take one or two more presidents to get the whole message if ever they do.

You do realize, don’t you, that you’re speaking as if your understanding of world affairs far supercedes that of the president’s (and the one after him, and the one after that)?

Think of it this way: How often did you think you knew more about things than Trump? Or SCOTUS? THe government of Texas? It's not such a big leap in the light of what's plainly visible before our eyes to know when the government is screwing up, regardless of who the leaders are.

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