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glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2021 05:59 pm
@edgarblythe,
I think it would be the Christian thing to do, don't you?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2021 06:07 pm
@glitterbag,
But only for beings in this galaxy.
nycdad
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2021 06:39 pm
@edgarblythe,
Believe whatever makes you feel good.
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nycdad
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2021 06:40 pm
@glitterbag,
Believe whatever you want. Believe whatever makes you feel good.
snood
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2021 06:54 pm
@nycdad,
She asked a simple question. You said if UFOs are real it changes everything.
But if you’re going to make that statement, you ought to be able to explain yourself so we know what you’re talking about.
How does it change everything?
glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2021 08:15 pm
@snood,
He said "This changes everything we have been taught. Understand?" I don't think it nullifies or changes anything. At least not anymore than what happened when aspirin was developed. It eased a lot of suffering, isn't that a good thing? So no, I don't see a problem.
snood
 
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Reply Fri 28 May, 2021 08:24 pm
@glitterbag,
I just think if he wants us to understand exactly what it is he thinks would change because of the discovery of alien visitors, he should spell it out a little more clearly than “everything will change”.
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nycdad
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2021 04:47 am
@snood,
If UFOs are real, it changes everything we have been taught about the Bible, God, creation and even evolution. If there is intelligent life in other galaxies, then the question WHERE DO WE COME FROM has a new meaning and new answer. Agree? Who are these being? Who made them?
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nycdad
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2021 04:51 am
@glitterbag,
I have one deep Supreme desire that I may be like Jesus. However, if aliens are real, who made them? Where do they come from? Is Jesus real? Is creationism a reality? What about evolution? Have we [humans] been lied to all this time? By the way, a UFO once appeared in Rome. Look it up. It shocked everyone in Rome. This happened back in the days of Roman Empire. No airplanes at the time.
Mame
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2021 07:26 am
@nycdad,
nycdad wrote:

Have we [humans] been lied to all this time?


The fact that some chose to put their complete faith in ancient scrolls doesn't mean we were 'lied to'. Lots of written works are out there and each person is responsible for what they choose to believe in.

I choose not to believe in the tales of man, which is all the Bible is... stories written by humans. You choose to. When you have a choice, you can't say you have been lied to.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2021 07:31 am
@Mame,
Well that takes care of religion, but he’s also saying this would necessarily challenge the theory of evolution.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2021 08:15 am
@nycdad,
nycdad wrote:
By the way, a UFO once appeared in Rome. Look it up. It shocked everyone in Rome. This happened back in the days of Roman Empire. No airplanes at the time.
No need to look it up since I'd to read it at school.
It should been noted that Julius Obsequens wrote some four centuries after the latest of the events he described. <however, it's a good textbook if you want to study religious omens of all kinds, which played a vital role in Roman private and political life. (Had to do it as part of the curriculum in ancient history at university)

Full text of his book >here<.
Mame
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2021 09:16 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

Well that takes care of religion, but he’s also saying this would necessarily challenge the theory of evolution.


I'd like to see his arguments for that!
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2021 09:31 am
@Mame,
His thread should be entitled, my religion makes me fret about weird **** and I want to know why nobody else frets about such mental stuff.

I don’t want to know why it makes me really angry that they don’t fret, that’s all about self improvement, and I’m not bothered about any of that.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2021 09:37 am
If there are aliens it probably means they evolved same as the rest of us.

It’s only a problem if your preconceptions get in the way of thinking.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2021 10:43 am
@izzythepush,
Well you gotta admit, a good sized influx of extraterrestrials would at the very least make the textbook writers scramble to add some chapters.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2021 10:51 am
@snood,
I’m sure someone will make money out of it.
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nycdad
 
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Reply Sat 29 May, 2021 04:10 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Thanks for the link. Of course, in the Old Testament book of Ezekiel, we learn that he saw a wheel of fire way up in the middle of the air. I think by FIRE, Ezekiel meant lights on the aircraft similar to the lights of an airplane.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 02:35 am
@nycdad,
Sure, from your lips to God's ear.
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hightor
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2021 02:31 am
I’m a Physicist Who Searches for Aliens. U.F.O.s Don’t Impress Me.

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This month the TV news program “60 Minutes” ran a segment on recent sightings by Navy pilots of unidentified flying objects. The pilots’ accounts were bolstered by videos recorded by cameras onboard their planes that captured what the government now calls “unidentified aerial phenomena.”

In the wake of these enigmatic encounters, people are asking me what I think about U.F.O.s and aliens. They’re asking because I’m an astrophysicist who is involved in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. My colleagues and I were recently awarded one of the first NASA grants to look for signs of advanced technology on planets outside our solar system. (I’ve argued in these pages that the 10 billion trillion habitable planets that we now believe exist in the universe make extraterrestrial civilizations far more likely.)

I understand that U.F.O. sightings, which date back at least to 1947, are synonymous in the popular imagination with evidence of extraterrestrials. But scientifically speaking, there is little to warrant that connection. There are excellent reasons to search for extraterrestrial life, but there are equally excellent reasons not to conclude that we have found evidence of it with U.F.O. sightings.

Let’s start with the Navy cases. Some of the pilots have told of seeing flying objects shaped like Tic Tacs or other unusual forms. The recordings from the planes’ cameras show amorphous shapes moving in surprising ways, including appearing to skim the ocean’s surface and then disappear beneath it. This might appear to be evidence of extraterrestrial technology that can defy the laws of physics as we understand them — but in reality it doesn’t amount to much.

For one thing, first-person accounts, which are notoriously inaccurate to begin with, don’t provide enough information for an empirical investigation. Scientists can’t accurately gauge distances or velocity from a pilot’s testimony: “It looked close” or “It was moving really fast” is too vague. What a scientist needs are precise measurements from multiple viewpoints provided by devices that register various wavelengths (visual, infrared, radar). That kind of data might tell us if an object’s motion required engines or materials that we Earthlings don’t possess.

Perhaps the videos offer that kind of data? Sadly, no. While some researchers have used the footage to make simple estimates of the accelerations and other flight characteristics of the U.F.O.s, the results have been mixed at best. Skeptics have already shown that some of the motions seen in the videos (like the ocean skimming) may be artifacts of the cameras’ optics and tracking systems.

There are also common-sense objections. If we are being frequently visited by aliens, why don’t they just land on the White House lawn and announce themselves? There is a recurring narrative, perhaps best exemplified by the TV show “The X-Files,” that these creatures have some mysterious reason to remain hidden from us. But if the mission of these aliens calls for stealth, they seem surprisingly incompetent. You would think that creatures technologically capable of traversing the mind-boggling distances between the stars would also know how to turn off their high beams at night and to elude our primitive infrared cameras.

Don’t get me wrong: I’ll read with great interest the U.S. intelligence report about U.F.O.s that is scheduled to be delivered to Congress in June; I believe that U.F.O. phenomena should be investigated using the best tools of science and with complete transparency.

But there may be more prosaic explanations. For example, it’s possible that U.F.O.s are drones deployed by rivals like Russia and China to examine our defenses — luring our pilots into turning on their radar and other detectors, thus revealing our electronic intelligence capacities. (The United States once used a similar strategy to test the sensitivities of Soviet radar systems.) This hypothesis might sound far-fetched, but it is less extreme than positing a visit from extraterrestrials.

What’s most frustrating about the U.F.O.s story is that it obscures the fact that scientists like me and my colleagues are on the threshold of gathering data that may be relevant to the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life. But this evidence involves subtle findings about phenomena far away in the galaxy — not sensational findings just a few miles away in our own atmosphere.

Powerful telescopes that will soon be operational may be capable of detecting city lights on the night side of planets that orbit distant stars or the telltale mark of reflected light from planet-wide solar-collecting arrays or the distinctive sign of industrial chemicals in a planet’s atmosphere. All of these “technosignatures,” should we find evidence of them, will be small effects. If we do detect such things, you better believe that my colleagues and I will go to extraordinary lengths to eliminate every possible source of error and every possible alternative explanation. This will take time and careful effort.

The work of science, though ultimately exciting, is mostly painstakingly methodical and boring. But that is the price we pay because we don’t just want to believe. We want to know.

nyt/frank
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