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Does It Strike Anyone Else That Other Leaders Rush TO the

 
 
DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 01:51 pm
McGentrix cluelessly wrote:
I was trying to... engage them in a discussion. The result was poor at best.

Yes, you are a poor conversationalist. That's why you always scrape and paste.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 01:55 pm
McGentrix wrote:
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Do you understand what the Secret Service does? Do you know what protocols the Secret Service have in place in the event of a national emergency? Do you understand why those protocols are in place?


I know you directed this to parados, but I do not know the answer. Would you please explain, as best you can, exactly what the procedures are? Thank you.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 01:55 pm
So let me get this straight.

In the event of attacks the President is not in charge but the SS is?

Meanwhile in Britian and Spain the Leader can overrule his security detail.

Thanks for making that perfectly clear McG..

Laughing
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 01:58 pm
McGentrix wrote:
D'artagnan wrote:
You call someone an idiot, McG, then gripe about the level of discussion several posts later?

That's rich...


I believe I asked them to quit being an idiot. I did not call tham an idiot. In fact, I was trying to get them to engage their minds and engage them in a discussion. The result was poor at best. Sad


McG... yawn .. In order for someone to quit being an idiot, he must be an idiot in the first place. Therefore, you did call him an idiot. I believe that his mind was, in fact, engaged at the time. You may want to check yours.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 01:58 pm
Intrepid wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I do not believe any of the London Bombers had airplanes aimed at 10 Downing St.

And how would Blair know that?


Shocked

Probably because he, and other Brits aren't idiots. They most likely performed some rapid deductions that this was the act of suicide bombers/bombs and not hijacked airplanes.

I seriously wonder if you are serious when you ask these kinds of questions... Rolling Eyes


Then you are saying that your president and his administration are idiots? Are you trying to remind everybody of the horrific deaths that people in the towers suffered, including having to jump from the burning building with your avatar?


It may be what you are reading, but it's not what I am saying.

What you are saying is that your reading comprehension skills are on par with those of a grade school child. How about acting like a grown-up and joining in with your peers and having a real discussion?

Bush followed the procedure for an attack on US soil. No one knew who was attacking, where else they had operatives, what else was going to happen, therefore they followed the procedures in place for safeguarding the Executive branch of the United States. Those procedures are obviously not the same as those in place in Great Britain or elsewhere.

The childishness of this thread is depressing and Squinney should be ashamed of herself for starting this thread. It's nothing more than a snarky question aimed at insulting the presidency.

I will defend the Presidents actions on 9/11 all day, so, like Bush said, "Bring it on."
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:02 pm
Ironically, McGentrix wrote:
How about acting like a grown-up and joining in with your peers and having a real discussion?

Quick! Someone find me a deliberately obtuse and unclear writer to argue with McGentrix!
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:10 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I do not believe any of the London Bombers had airplanes aimed at 10 Downing St.

And how would Blair know that?


Shocked

Probably because he, and other Brits aren't idiots. They most likely performed some rapid deductions that this was the act of suicide bombers/bombs and not hijacked airplanes.

I seriously wonder if you are serious when you ask these kinds of questions... Rolling Eyes


Then you are saying that your president and his administration are idiots? Are you trying to remind everybody of the horrific deaths that people in the towers suffered, including having to jump from the burning building with your avatar?


It may be what you are reading, but it's not what I am saying.

What you are saying is that your reading comprehension skills are on par with those of a grade school child. How about acting like a grown-up and joining in with your peers and having a real discussion?

Bush followed the procedure for an attack on US soil. No one knew who was attacking, where else they had operatives, what else was going to happen, therefore they followed the procedures in place for safeguarding the Executive branch of the United States. Those procedures are obviously not the same as those in place in Great Britain or elsewhere.

The childishness of this thread is depressing and Squinney should be ashamed of herself for starting this thread. It's nothing more than a snarky question aimed at insulting the presidency.

I will defend the Presidents actions on 9/11 all day, so, like Bush said, "Bring it on."


If I am not reading what you are saying, then perhaps you are not saying it properly.

No, I did not say my reading level is on par with a grade school child. YOU said that and I do not appreciate it.

You speak of grown up? You, who argues every point that everybody makes just because you think you are the school yard bully? Why is it that every poster on this thread has a different take on this topic than you? Why do you think you are right and they are wrong?

You have not answered the question that was asked. Is that because you don't comprehend the question, or you don't have the answer?

Why should Squinney be ashamed of anything? It being a snarky question is in your mind. She does not have to insult the president. He can provide proof of his qualifications on his own.

Are you being a playground bully and showing your childish side with your "Bring it on" remark? I have no time for so called bullies. I just brush them aside.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:21 pm
Intrepid wrote:
If I am not reading what you are saying, then perhaps you are not saying it properly.

No, I did not say my reading level is on par with a grade school child. YOU said that and I do not appreciate it.


I can only judge you by what you write. When you suggest "Then you are saying that your president and his administration are idiots?" when I made no such implication about Bush at all, I must assume you are either purposfully being obtuse or your reading comprehension skills are below par. So, which is it?

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You speak of grown up? You, who argues every point that everybody makes just because you think you are the school yard bully? Why is it that every poster on this thread has a different take on this topic than you? Why do you think you are right and they are wrong?


Obviously it's because I am right. Arbitrary attacks against the President may be ok with you, but not me. Why should I, an active participant of A2K, allow such attacks go unattended?

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You have not answered the question that was asked. Is that because you don't comprehend the question, or you don't have the answer?


What question?

Quote:
Why should Squinney be ashamed of anything? It being a snarky question is in your mind. She does not have to insult the president. He can provide proof of his qualifications on his own.

Are you being a playground bully and showing your childish side with your "Bring it on" remark? I have no time for so called bullies. I just brush them aside.


I am not being a "playground bully". If you do not wish to participate in this thread, by all means don't. Do you need my help with the "back" button?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:23 pm
Questioning McGentrix, Intrepid wrote:
Are you trying to remind everybody of the horrific deaths that people in the towers suffered, including having to jump from the burning building with your avatar?

He's trying to claim the moral high-ground. He is saying stfu. The terrorists have acheived their goal with him, and he feels that his fear justifies any action he may take or thought that he might have.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:24 pm
So this is what the Bushwackers have come to??? Comparing attacks between London (all centrally located in the city of London, by the way) and 4 air assults accross the US between 3 cities???

What would you have had GW do?

Must be a slow news day as this must be the dumbest argument I have seen to date.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:28 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
If I am not reading what you are saying, then perhaps you are not saying it properly.

No, I did not say my reading level is on par with a grade school child. YOU said that and I do not appreciate it.


I can only judge you by what you write. When you suggest "Then you are saying that your president and his administration are idiots?" when I made no such implication about Bush at all, I must assume you are either purposfully being obtuse or your reading comprehension skills are below par. So, which is it?

Let me walk you through the logic, since you seem incapable of reasoning it out on your own.

1. Someone states that the President hid after 9/11 while other leaders have appeared in public after attacks on their countries.
2. You state that the reason Blair did not hide is "because he, and other Brits aren't idiots."
3. Others make the conclusion that you are saying Bush and his handlers are idiots.

Capiche?

And what's with you and the word idiot today? Is that on your word-a-day calendar for 7/15/05?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:33 pm
1. Bush did not hide.
2. Blair was facing far different circumstances.
3. Others read more into what's being said and therefore show poor reading skills.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:40 pm
1. Bush ran like a frightened jackrabbit.
2. Blair went to where the attacks had occurred. His actions were certainly quite different.
3. Keep telling yourself that. On the other hand, if your writing were as clear as you seem to believe then one wouldn't be able misread what you've written.
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:42 pm
Okay, kids. Settle down and let's have everyone return to their seats.

I was merely remarking that it struck me that Blair returned so quickly, and that our president had flown around for ten hours before going to DC.

Other leaders have immediately gone to the scene and shown leadership, taken charge. Why didn't our president do that? It's kinda embarrassing.

I think I found my answer, though it's still of little comfort.

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Were There Threats to Air Force One?

The threat or threats to Air Force One were announced on September 12, after mounting criticism that Bush was out of sight in Louisiana and Nebraska during most of the day and did not return to Washington until 10 hours after the attacks. White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said there was "real and credible information that the White House and Air Force One were targets." [White House, 9/12/01] On September 13, New York Times columnist William Safire wrote - and Bush's political strategist Karl Rove confirmed - that there was an "inside" threat that "may have broken the secret codes [showing a knowledge of presidential procedures]." [New York Times, 9/13/01] Had terrorists hacked their way into sensitive White House computers? Was there a mole in the White House?

No. It turned out the entire story was made up. [Washington Post, 9/27/01] The press expressed considerable skepticism about the story. For instance, one Florida newspaper thought Fleischer's disclosure was "an apparent effort to explain why the president was flown to Air Force bases" before returning to Washington. [St. Petersburg Times, 9/13/01] When asked on September 15 about the "credible evidence," Fleischer said, "we exhausted that topic about two days ago." [White House, 9/15/01] On September 26, CBS News reported: "Finally, there is this postscript to the puzzle of how someone presumed to be a terrorist was able to call in a threat against Air Force One using a secret code name for the president's plane. Well, as it turns out, that simply never happened. Sources say White House staffers apparently misunderstood comments made by their security detail." [CBS, 9/26/01] One former official who served in George Bush Sr.'s administration told Human Events Online, which bills itself as "the national conservative weekly," that he was "deeply disappointed by [Bush's] zigzagging across the country." [Human Events Online, 9/17/01] At the end of the month, Slate magazine awarded its "Whopper of the Week" to Karl Rove, Ari Fleischer, and Dick Cheney. [Slate, 9/28/01]

No one knew exactly where the bogus story originated from, but "what can be safely said is that it served the White House's immediate purposes, even though it was completely untrue." [Telegraph, 12/16/01] What were those purposes? A well-informed, anonymous Washington official said, "It did two things for [Cheney]. It reinforced his argument that the President should stay out of town, and it gave George W. an excellent reason for doing so." [Telegraph, 12/16/01] When Bush was asked in May 2002 why he had flown to two Air Force bases before returning to Washington, Bush said, "I was trying to get out of harm's way." [White House, 5/21/02]


So, it was Cheney making decisions, not Bush.

For a better understanding you might look at the timeline of the days events which are very well documented with published sources RIGHT HERE- JUST CLICK.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:49 pm
McGentrix wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I do not believe any of the London Bombers had airplanes aimed at 10 Downing St.

And how would Blair know that?


Shocked

Probably because he, and other Brits aren't idiots. They most likely performed some rapid deductions that this was the act of suicide bombers/bombs and not hijacked airplanes.

I seriously wonder if you are serious when you ask these kinds of questions... Rolling Eyes

Lets look at your statement McG.. Logically and in the use of English.

You claim Blair and the Brits aren't idiots then use a COMPARISON of the British situtation to the American one.
Since you COMPARE the Brits to the Americans FIRST it is a small leap to apply the comparison to the REST of your paragraph.
Secondly, you say the Brits were able to perform some RAPID DEDUCTIONS (thinking skills) while never saying anything about the thinking skills of Bush and the Americans. Leads us right back to that comparison. Brits have deduction skills and American's don't.

This isn't a case of poor reading skills at all McG but poor writing skills on your part.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:50 pm
So he ran like a frightened jackrabbit.

Then they lied.

Sounds right.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:52 pm
It's such a tired argument. As McG pointed out, the White House was a target that day which one could interpret as a threat to the president. While you may look at it as hiding, he was merely being kept safe.

While the attacks in London were horrible they were of far less severity then the events of 9/11. Had bombs still been exploding all over the city I highly doubt Tony Blair would be so quick to take center stage.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:53 pm
Don't beat up on him too hard, Parados. McG's self-image is based on being infallible; there's no telling the damage that could be caused to his psyche by forcing him to face the truth.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:54 pm
In fact, I think his inability to admit to any faults is why he identifies so strongly with Bush.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2005 02:57 pm
When I am wrong, I will admit to it with the same vigor I use to point out when you are, Drewdad.
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