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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jul, 2024 06:53 am
Lash is one of those trying to stoke a civil war.

Only fascists attack the media.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jul, 2024 08:10 am
Sen. Bernie Sanders said today that he does not think the shooting at former president Donald Trump’s rally will affect the debate over whether President Biden should remain the Democratic nominee.

“I think President Biden is the strongest candidate the Democrats have,” Sanders said on “Meet the Press.”

Full interview (Meet the Press)
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jul, 2024 08:35 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Sen. Bernie Sanders said today that he does not think the shooting at former president Donald Trump’s rally will affect the debate over whether President Biden should remain the Democratic nominee.

“I think President Biden is the strongest candidate the Democrats have,” Sanders said on “Meet the Press.”

Full interview (Meet the Press)


If anyone had a candidate that is obviously stronger...they would have presented that candidate by now. I can only think of two I feel would be stronger, former President Bill Clinton and former President Barack Obama...and neither can run again.

So at this point, the Democrats should just rally around Joe Biden...and stop all the replacement nonsense. It is not going to happen unless Joe Biden agrees with it happening...and that does not appear to be on the horizon.

It is my opinion that enough people will vote in enough states to re-elect Joe Biden. I cannot image enough people voting in enough states to give Trump a second chance to destroy our Republic.
BillW
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jul, 2024 08:39 am
@Frank Apisa,
My feelings exactly!
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hightor
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jul, 2024 08:47 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Lash is one of those trying to stoke a civil war.

Typical accelerationist idiocy. When I was a bomb-throwing Maoist we had to ride herd over this faction – they truly wanted to provoke widescale repression, thinking that it would radicalize the masses.
BillW
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jul, 2024 08:54 am
@hightor,
What would a Civil War truly look like in America today? Where is the line of demarcation - those that have and those that have not?
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hightor
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jul, 2024 09:02 am
@Frank Apisa,
Good post Frank and good work Sanders.

I've put a lot of articles up proposing that Biden drop out. Some of them are really insightful and some of them are pretty scary – Biden’s Path to Re-election Has All But Vanished. And I'm still really disappointed with Biden not willingly serving as a one-term president and the DNC for not seeing, four years ago, that his age would be a problem and preparing candidates to run in the '24 primaries. A few weeks have gone by and the prospects for replacement don't seem practical. I've stated that I'd support Biden if he were the nominee. But not with enthusiasm for his re-election, only with denying Trump a return to power.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jul, 2024 10:05 am
@hightor,
Sounds more like the English Civil War, monarchists and parliamentarians.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jul, 2024 01:48 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Lash is one of those trying to stoke a civil war.

Only fascists attack the media.

When the media stokes hatred and fear, responsible citizens call them out.
hightor
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jul, 2024 01:51 pm
A Nation Inflamed

After the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, who can heal a country so threatened by menace, violence, and division?

David Remnick wrote:
On April 5, 1968, the day after Martin Luther King, Jr., was assassinated in Memphis, Robert F. Kennedy, who was pursuing the Democratic nomination for President, spoke to the Cleveland City Club about the “mindless menace of violence in America which again stains our land and every one of our lives.”

In a mournful cadence, Kennedy told the crowd that a sniper is a coward, not a hero; that the “uncontrolled, uncontrollable mob is only the voice of madness, not the voice of the people.” Violence, whether it is carried out by one man or a gang, he said, degrades an entire nation:

Yet we seemingly tolerate a rising level of violence that ignores our common humanity and our claims to civilization alike. We calmly accept newspaper reports of civilian slaughter in far off lands. We glorify killing on movie and television screens and call it entertainment. We make it easy for men of all shades of sanity to acquire weapons and ammunition they desire. . . . Some look for scapegoats, others look for conspiracies, but this much is clear; violence breeds violence, repression brings retaliation, and only a cleaning of our whole society can remove this sickness from our soul.

On Saturday afternoon, a twenty-year-old man identified as Thomas Matthew Crooks positioned himself on a roof in Butler, Pennsylvania, and attempted to murder former President Donald Trump, who was speaking at a rally of his supporters. From more than a hundred yards away, Crooks allegedly fired off a series of rounds from what has been described as an “AR-15-style” rifle. One bullet grazed Trump’s right ear, he said. Had the shooter’s aim been even infinitesimally more accurate, Trump would have been mortally wounded. As it was, he was left stunned and bleeding from his ear. Before the Secret Service could sweep him off the stage, Trump paused near the steps to pump his fist and, in defiance, mouthed the words, “Fight, fight.”

President Joe Biden, who is facing calls from some Democratic leaders, various pundits, and much of the electorate to step aside, did the decent thing. In a statement, he expressed relief that Trump was safe and in good health: “I’m praying for him and his family and for all those who were at the rally.” Later, he appeared before reporters in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, and insisted that “everybody must condemn” the “sick” attack on his opponent, adding that he hoped to reach “Donald” later by phone. Biden momentarily set aside his profound differences with Trump, and his firm belief that the election would decide fundamental questions about the future of the country and its essence. “We cannot allow for this to be happening,” he said. Biden’s sole misstep was to add, “The idea that there’s political violence or violence in America like this is just unheard of.” If only that were true.

It remains to be seen if there is any leader in these hideous times who is capable of the pained eloquence and reason that Kennedy showed on the day after King’s murder. Set aside the sickening rush of accusation on social media, the vicious taunts, the crackpot theories that what happened in Pennsylvania was staged, a “false-flag operation,” a “fake,” the fault of the political left, the Democratic Party, and Biden himself. Set aside, for a moment, what influence the attempt on Trump’s life will have on voters in November.

Who is capable of bringing to this terrible moment the kind of moral sense that R.F.K. managed just hours after Dr. King was shot dead outside Room 306 of the Lorraine Motel? Many elected officials, Republican and Democrat, did issue statements denouncing violence and expressing relief that Trump had survived the attack. Many refrained from exploiting the event for political gain. But not all.

J. D. Vance, the junior senator from Ohio and a candidate to be Trump’s running mate, declared on social media that the shooting in Butler was “not just some isolated incident.” He added, “The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs. That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination.”

Senator Tim Scott, of South Carolina, added more fuel to the atmosphere of conspiracy: “Let’s be clear: This was an assassination attempt aided and abetted by the radical Left and corporate media incessantly calling Trump a threat to democracy, fascists, or worse.”

Texas’s governor, Greg Abbott, tied the shooting in Pennsylvania to Trump’s myriad criminal convictions and indictments. “They try to jail him. They try to kill him. It will not work,” he posted on X. “He is indomitable.”

In the coming days, things will not likely get better. In a fevered and divided country, some will try to generalize the person and meaning of Crooks, a twenty-year-old high-school graduate who is both a registered Republican and, reportedly, a fifteen-dollar donor to a liberal voter-turnout group. When more details of his life emerge—and they inevitably will—it may be hard to know what it all means. If it means anything at all.

“For historians violence is a difficult subject, diffuse and hard to cope with,” Richard Hofstadter wrote, in his essay “Reflections on Violence in the United States.” “It is committed by isolated individuals, by small groups, and by large mobs; it is directed against individuals and crowds alike; it is undertaken for a variety of purposes (and at times for no discernible rational purpose at all), and in a variety of ways ranging from assassinations and murders to lynchings, duels, brawls, feuds, and riots; it stems from criminal intent and from political idealism, from antagonisms that are entirely personal and from antagonisms of large social consequence.”

What must be said, contrary to the rhetoric of Vance, Scott, and Abbott, is that Trump has, to say the least, done little to calm or to unify the country he once led and is campaigning to lead again. Unfortunately, it is hard to recall a public voice in living memory who has done more to arouse the lowest passions that so often percolate within individuals and the greater society. Even as one expresses genuine relief that Trump escaped a worse fate on Saturday (and sympathy for the family of the spectator at the rally who was killed), it is legitimate to describe what Trump and his rhetoric have meant to the country. He began his political career with statements like “When I was 18, people called me Donald Trump. When he was 18, @BarackObama was Barry Soweto.” And he went on from there, year after year. After Obama attended a public viewing for Antonin Scalia, but not the funeral, Trump asked, “I wonder if President Obama would have attended the funeral of Justice Scalia if it were held in a Mosque?” With dizzying frequency, he trafficked in the demagogic language of dehumanization, of “scum” and “vermin” and “animals” and “enemies of the people.” And then there was “Lock her up!” and “Stand back and stand by.” In 2016, he deployed familiar bigoted tropes, declaring that “Hillary Clinton meets in secret with international banks to plot the destruction of U.S. sovereignty.” Over and over, he has glorified brutality, whether it was the desirability of police throwing “thugs” into “the back of a paddy wagon” or a congressional candidate body-slamming a reporter because he dared to ask about health-care policy. (“Any guy that can do a body slam, he’s my type,” Trump said.) When he heard that MSNBC anchor Ali Velshi had been hit by a rubber bullet during a demonstration in the wake of the death of George Floyd, he called it “a beautiful sight.”

Trump has always dismissed the idea that he has contributed to the division and inflammation of the country’s state of mind. When asked if his language was divisive, he replied, “I don’t think my rhetoric does at all. My rhetoric is very—it brings people together.” And yet he has not hesitated to mock his victims, even when their loved ones were victims of assault. Nancy Pelosi was “crazy,” he said. And when Pelosi’s husband, Paul, was brutalized by a hammer-wielding attacker, he asked, sarcastically, “How’s her husband doing? Anybody know?” The Capitol Hill insurrection, which threatened the lives of Pelosi, Mike Pence, and other political leaders, found its inspiration in the rhetoric of one man.

That language, that lack of empathy, cannot serve as an example or a way forward. It is absolutely right and necessary to denounce in the clearest terms the crime that we witnessed Saturday in Pennsylvania and feel relief that the result was not even worse than it was. At the same time, one hopes for a sensibility and moral temper of the sort that stepped to the microphone in Cleveland, in April, 1968, to reject violence as an instrument of politics or rage and to pay tribute to an avatar of humanity and peace:

Our lives on this planet are too short and the work to be done too great to let this spirit flourish any longer in our land. Of course we cannot vanish it with a program, nor with a resolution. But we can perhaps remember—even if only for a time—that those who live with us are our brothers, that they share with us the same short movement of life, that they seek—as we do—nothing but the chance to live out their lives in purpose and happiness, winning what satisfaction and fulfillment they can. Surely this bond of common faith, this bond of common goal, can begin to teach us something. Surely we can learn, at least, to look at those around us as fellow men and surely we can begin to work a little harder to bind up the wounds among us and to become in our hearts brothers and countrymen once again.

Two months after delivering that speech, Robert Kennedy won the California and South Dakota primaries and had a good chance to defeat Richard Nixon and win the Presidency. He addressed his cheering supporters in the Ambassador Hotel ballroom, in Los Angeles, and then tried to leave the building through a crowded kitchen. A man in his mid-twenties named Sirhan Sirhan approached him, raised a handgun, and fired multiple times. Kennedy died at Good Samaritan Hospital the next day. He was forty-two years old.

nyer
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hightor
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jul, 2024 03:26 am
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Shortly after 6:00 yesterday evening at a Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, a shooter on the roof of a building about 400 feet from the stage appears to have shot eight bullets at the former president and into the crowd. Trump appeared to flinch and reach for his right ear as Secret Service agents crouched over the former president. When the agents got word the shooter was “down,” they lifted Trump to move him out. He asked to get his shoes and then to put them on.

With that apparently accomplished, Trump stood up with blood on his face, exposed to the crowd, and told the agents to wait. He raised his fist in the air in front of an American flag in what instantly became an iconic image. He appeared to yell, “Fight, fight, fight!” to the crowd before being ushered offstage.

Pennsylvania firefighter Corey Comperatore, 50, was killed. David Dutch, 57, was injured and is hospitalized in stable condition. James Copenhaver, 74, was also injured and is in stable condition.

The FBI has identified the shooter as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks, who was killed by a Secret Service agent. Crooks used an AR-type semiautomatic rifle that apparently belonged to his father. Crooks was wearing a gray Demolition Ranch tee shirt advertising a YouTube channel for gun enthusiasts and people interested in explosive devices. The channel has more than 11 million followers. Crooks appears to have been a registered Republican.

Trump said he had been “shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear.” So far, no doctors have briefed the public.

In the confusion immediately after the shooting, MAGA Republicans blamed the Democrats for the violence. “Today is not just some isolated incident,” Ohio senator J.D. Vance, who is in the running to be Trump’s vice presidential pick, posted on social media. “The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs. That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination.” Representative Mike Collins of Georgia called for a Republican district attorney to “immediately file charges against Joseph R. Biden for inciting an assassination.” Indeed, he said, “Joe Biden sent the orders.”

Edward Luce of the Financial Times noted, “Almost any criticism of Trump is already being spun by Maga as an incitement to assassinate him. This is an Orwellian attempt to silence what remains of the effort to stop him from regaining power.” Indeed, MAGA Republicans appear to be trying to stop discussion of their extremist plans— which are enormously unpopular— by claiming that such a discussion is polarizing.

The idea that Democratic opposition to authoritarian plans like those outlined in Project 2025 caused violence might convince MAGA Republicans, but it will likely be a hard sell for Americans who remember things like:

•Trump’s own suggestion in 2016 that “Second Amendment people” could solve the problem of Hillary Clinton picking judges; or his 2020 attacks on Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer, who became the target of a kidnapping plot; or election workers bombarded with death threats as Trump lied that the 2020 election was stolen;

•the October 2022 tweet by Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. mocking then–House speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband Paul after a home intruder hit him in the head with a hammer; or Georgia representative Marjorie Taylor Greene’s 2022 campaign video in which she promised to “blow away the Democrats’ socialist agenda” as she took aim with a rifle;

•in 2023, House Republicans wearing AR-15 lapel pins on the floor of Congress; Representative Don Bacon (R-NE) saying his wife slept with a loaded gun after he voted against Representative Jim Jordan (R-OH) for House speaker; or Republican representatives sending Christmas cards showing the whole family toting guns;

•in 2024, the Kansas Republican Party’s March fundraiser where attendees could donate to kick and punch an effigy of President Biden; or Don Jr.’s reposting an image of Biden bound and gagged in the back of a pickup truck;

•or Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson of North Carolina, who is running for the governorship and who is scheduled to speak at the Republican National Convention starting tomorrow, saying just two weeks ago: “Some folks need killing! It’s time for somebody to say it.”

Indeed, in March 2024, in Vance’s home state, Trump said: if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole…country,” and a 2022 campaign ad by Representative Collins himself showed him shooting a rifle at Nancy Pelosi’s “agenda” and at a cardboard rhinoceros he says is a “RINO,” a Republican in Name Only.

Republicans under Trump have increasingly advocated violence as a way to gain power because they know their unpopular positions cannot lead their candidates to victory in free and fair elections. In this moment, when there is still little evidence about yesterday’s tragedy, it appears they are projecting their own behavior onto Biden and the Democrats, blaming them for advocating violence when in fact, Biden and the Democrats have tried hard to enact commonsense gun safety laws and have consistently condemned the violent language and normalizing of political violence by Republicans.

Republicans’ embrace of violence is a hallmark of authoritarian leaders; by definition it undermines democracy. In Nashville, Tennessee, today, neo-Nazis shouting “Hitler was right!” were involved in fights in the streets. Ending that resort to violence, which never advances society and always injures it, is key to restoring the guardrails of democracy.

Biden spoke to the nation tonight, warning that Americans need to “lower the temperature in our politics and to remember, while we may disagree, we are not enemies. We’re neighbors. We’re friends, coworkers, citizens. And, most importantly, we are fellow Americans. And we must stand together.” He condemned yesterday’s violence, noting that “[a] former president was shot” and “an American citizen killed while simply exercising his freedom to support the candidate of his choosing…. There is no place in America for this kind of violence or for any violence ever. Period. No exceptions. We can’t allow this violence to be normalized.”

The framers of the Constitution, he said, “created a democracy that gave reason and balance a chance to prevail over brute force. That’s the America we must be, an American democracy where arguments are made in good faith, an American democracy where the rule of law is respected, an American democracy where decency, dignity, fair play aren’t just quaint notions, but living, breathing realities.”

Biden rejected the idea that criticizing the Republicans’ extremism was polarizing. While they can “criticize my record and offer their own vision for this country,” he said, “I’ll continue to speak out strongly for our democracy, stand up for our Constitution and the rule of law, to call for action at the ballot box, no violence on our streets. That’s how democracy should work.”

Biden paused all campaign ads and events after the shooting and told staffers to “refrain from issuing any comments on social media or in public.” Trump is fundraising off the attempt on his life, but he spent the day golfing rather than campaigning.

The Secret Service has launched an investigation of how a shooter could get so close to Trump; Biden has ordered an independent investigation as well. Biden said he has also directed the Secret Service to review the security measures in place for the Republican National Convention, which starts tomorrow in Milwaukee.

Within hours of the shooting, House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) announced that “THE HOUSE WILL CONDUCT A FULL INVESTIGATION OF THE TRAGIC EVENTS TODAY,” saying, “The American people deserve to know the truth.” Although the FBI investigation has barely gotten underway and Congress has no law enforcement power, Johnson promised to have officials from the Secret Service, the Department of Homeland Security, and the FBI “appear for a hearing before our committees ASAP.”

Observers noted that it sounded like MAGA plans to have yet another investigation designed to spread a narrative, in this case, that the “Deep State” was involved in the shooting.

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Ragman
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jul, 2024 04:16 am
@glitterbag,
What’s wrong? Gawd knows where to start. Poor leadership, my guess.

Furthermore, Horribly bad gun laws. Gotta change them and start with removing assault rifles. Hell, according to media reports the 20-yr-old assassin-wannabe that died was using an assault rifle his dad bought for him. Jeeez! Add to the list of what’s wrong poor mental health treatment (Crooks was a target of daily bullying) and rampant poor parenting skills.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jul, 2024 06:58 am
@Ragman,
It was pointed out on the radio he was old enough to buy a rifle, but not a beer.

I find it really hard to get my head around.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jul, 2024 07:02 am
@Lash,
If you were responsible you'd point out the real reason, America is awash with guns.

That's why there are so many shootings, it's got **** all to do with media, computer games or video nasties.

It's guns.

We have media,video nasties, computer games the lot, but we don't have mass shootings because we have responsible gun laws.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jul, 2024 07:05 am
@hightor,
Two American "political experts" were on the radio today.

One thought the assassination attempt was more likely to get Biden to step down, the other thought the exact opposite.

Most of today's news programmes were about the fallout from last night's match.
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hightor
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jul, 2024 07:06 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
If you were responsible...

If only.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jul, 2024 07:17 am
@hightor,
There was a repulsive Texan senator on the radio earlier going on about how Jesus saved Trump.

We're not used to hearing such evangelical nonsense, our religious figures, let alone politicians, are far more measured.

Over here Trump is loathed, he's fascist who licks Putin's arse, a criminal and a rapist.

After the senator had finished talking, one of the commentators said that MAGA people like the seator believe the exact opposite. They believe Trump is being persecuted by the Deep State whichis the real threat to democracy.

That's the problem, two polarised opinions, both believing the exact opposite of each other.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jul, 2024 08:07 am

Judge dismisses classified documents case against Trump
(cnn)

trump-appointed judge rules in favor of trump... it reeks of corruption...


Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jul, 2024 08:16 am
@Region Philbis,
A present to the Republican convention, done by a future Supreme Court judge?
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jul, 2024 09:04 am
@Walter Hinteler,

she must've felt sorry for her hero and his bloody ear...
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