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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2024 11:29 am
@Frank Apisa,
French Socialists had to hold their noses and vote for Chirac when he was up against Le Pen.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2024 05:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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. . . it comes down to that...a choice between someone you wish were more appealing...and someone who is best described as a person so disgusting . . .

So, in a human decency contest, you deem the guy helping a religious nutter commit genocide as less disgusting than trump. And you deem that choice reasonable and sane? Hmm. Exactly where do you rank genocide in the list of the worst things a person can do or support?

Politics suck when your choice is between two morally corrupt and insane candidates, huh? But that's where you are. Ya got a guy you think is worse than the guy who's supporting genocide at this moment, and ya got the guy who's actually aiding and abetting the guy committing the genocide. So the question remains: In your own words, explain how joe's material support of a war criminal who's stuck in the biblical past where murdering innocent present day Gazans amounts to finishing off the Amalekites of old-testament fame is someone you can get behind?

Are character, dignity, and integrity no longer required of your "leaders?"
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2024 05:31 pm
@Glennn,
Here's the rub, you're extremely compromised.

You're not a genuine person of conscience voting for a third party candidate because you can't stomach Biden or Trump.

There is a poster here who fits that description, but I won't name him because he's off this thread.

His position is one I respect.

That's not you, you're using this to smear Biden and help Trump.

I'm not at all supportive of Biden's behaviour regarding Gaza I think the veto is appalling as is the UK's abstention.

Actually the UK's position is probably worse, supine and snivelling.

Having said that I don't think Biden's behaviour is that different from his predecessors with the possible exception of Jimmy Carter.

They've all given Israel an easy ride, what has changed is that now Biden is out of kilter with American public opinion.

I've already pointed out my voting intentions which have nothing to do with Biden/Trump, but if I was voting in your election I'd behave like the French Socialists, hold my nose and vote for Biden.

And I accept everything you say about him.

Trump is so much worse.


but I don't think he's
Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2024 05:46 pm
@izzythepush,
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That's not you, you're using this to smear Biden and help Trump.

I don't like trump, so I guess you're continuing your pattern of thinking you know what you're talking about when you criticize others.

I'll tell you what others tell you: You don't know me.

Anyway, my point stands. It doesn't get any lower than supporting the guy committing genocide.

Please try to rationalize that kink of thinking rather than focus on what you think my motives are.
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but if I was voting in your election I'd behave like the French Socialists, hold my nose and vote for Biden.

Uh huh. Because genocide is not the big, bad monster everyone makes it out to be, is it?

Sure.
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I don't think Biden's behaviour is that different from his predecessors

Oh. Well then, no harm, no foul, right?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 03:02 am
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:


Quote:
. . . it comes down to that...a choice between someone you wish were more appealing...and someone who is best described as a person so disgusting . . .

So, in a human decency contest, you deem the guy helping a religious nutter commit genocide as less disgusting than trump. And you deem that choice reasonable and sane? Hmm. Exactly where do you rank genocide in the list of the worst things a person can do or support?

Politics suck when your choice is between two morally corrupt and insane candidates, huh? But that's where you are. Ya got a guy you think is worse than the guy who's supporting genocide at this moment, and ya got the guy who's actually aiding and abetting the guy committing the genocide. So the question remains: In your own words, explain how joe's material support of a war criminal who's stuck in the biblical past where murdering innocent present day Gazans amounts to finishing off the Amalekites of old-testament fame is someone you can get behind?

Are character, dignity, and integrity no longer required of your "leaders?"


It is my opinion that chosing Joe Biden over Trump is the only sane, reasonable, intelligent thing to do. If you disagree with that assessment, fine.

Disagree.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 03:54 am
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I will not spend the rest of 2024 focusing on Trump and the chaos in the Republican Party, but today it has been impossible to look away.

In Trump’s election interference trial in Manhattan, Judge Juan Merchan this morning dismissed one of the selected jurors after she expressed concern for her anonymity and thus for her safety. All of the reporters in the courtroom have shared so much information about the jurors that they seemed at risk of being identified, but Fox News Channel host Jesse Watters not only ran a video segment about a juror, he suggested she was “concerning.” Trump shared the video on social media.

The juror told the judge that so much information about her had become public that her friends and family had begun to ask her if she was one of the jurors. Legal analyst Joyce White Vance noted jurors’ fear for their safety was a concern normally seen only “in a case involving violent organized crime.”

Nonetheless, by the end of the day, twelve people had been chosen to serve as jurors. Tomorrow the process will continue in order to find six alternate jurors.

It is a courtesy for the two sides at a trial to share with each other the names of their next witnesses so the other team can prepare for them. Today the prosecution declined to provide the names of their first three witnesses to the defense lawyers out of concern that Trump would broadcast them on social media. “Mr. Trump has been tweeting about the witnesses. We’re not telling them who the witnesses are,” prosecutor Joshua Steinglass said.

Merchan said he “can’t blame them.” Trump’s defense attorney Todd Blanche offered to "commit to the court and the [prosecution] that President Trump will not [post] about any witness" on social media. "I don't think you can make that representation," Merchan said, in a recognition that Trump cannot be trusted, even by his own lawyers.

An article in the New York Times today confirmed that the trial will give Trump plenty of publicity, but not the kind that he prefers. Lawyer Norman L. Eisen walked through questions about what a prison sentence for Trump could look like.

Trump’s popular image is taking a hit in other ways, as well. Zac Anderson and Erin Mansfield of USA Today reported that Trump is funneling money from his campaign fundraising directly into his businesses. According to a new report filed with the Federal Election Commission, in February and March the campaign wrote checks totaling $411,287 to Mar-a-Lago and in March a check for $62,337 to Trump National Doral Miami.

Experts say it is legal for candidates to pay their own businesses for services used by the campaign so long as they pay fair market value. At the same time, they note that since Trump appears to be desperate for money, “it looks bad.”

Astonishingly, Trump’s trial was not the biggest domestic story today. Republicans in Congress were in chaos as members of the extremist Freedom Caucus worked to derail the national security supplemental bills that House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) has introduced in place of the Senate bill, although they track that bill closely.

The House Rules Committee spent the day debating the foreign aid package, which appropriates aid for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan separately. The Israel bill also contains $9.1 billion in humanitarian aid for Gaza and other countries. A fourth bill focuses on forcing the Chinese owners of TikTok to sell the company, as well as on imposing sanctions on Russia and Iran.

At stake in the House Rules Committee was Johnson’s plan to allow the House to debate and vote on each measure separately, and then recombine them all into a single measure if they all pass. This would allow extremist Republicans to vote against aid to Ukraine, while still tying the pieces all together to send to the Senate. As Robert Jimison outlined in the New York Times, this complicated plan meant that the Rules Committee vote to allow such a maneuver was crucial to the bill’s passage.

The extremist House Republicans were adamantly opposed to the plan because of their staunch opposition to aid for Ukraine. They wrote in a memo on Wednesday: “This tactic allows Johnson to pass priorities favored by President Biden, the swamp and the Ukraine war machine with a supermajority of House members, leaving conservatives out to dry.”

Extremists Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and Thomas Massie (R-KY) vowed to throw House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) out of the speakership, but Democrats Tom Suozzi of New York and Jared Moskowitz of Florida have said they would vote to keep him in his seat, thereby defanging the attack on his leadership.

So the extremists instead tried to load the measures up with amendments prohibiting funds from being used for abortion, removing humanitarian aid for Gaza, opposing a two-state solution to the Hamas-Israel war, calling for a wall at the southern border of the U.S., defunding the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and so on.

Greene was especially active in opposition to aid to Ukraine. She tried to amend the bill to direct the president to withdraw the U.S. from NATO and demanded that any members of Congress voting for aid to Ukraine be conscripted into the Ukraine army as well as have their salaries taken to offset funding. She wanted to stop funding until Ukraine “turns over all information related to Hunter Biden and Burisma,” and to require Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky to resign. More curiously, she suggested amending the Ukraine bill so that funding would require “restrictions on ethnic minorities’, including Hungarians in Transcarpathia, right to use their native languages in schools are lifted.” This language echoes a very specific piece of Russian propaganda.

Finally, Moskowitz proposed “that Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene…should be appointed as Vladimir Putin’s Special Envoy to the United States Congress.”

Many congress members have left Washington, D.C., since Friday was to be the first day of a planned recess. This meant the partisan majority on the floor fluctuated. Olivia Beavers of Politico reported that that instability made Freedom Caucus members nervous enough to put together a Floor Action Response Team (FART—I am not making this up) to make sure other Republicans didn’t limit the power of the extremists when they were off the floor.

The name of their response team seems likely to be their way to signal their disrespect for the entire Congress. Their fellow Republicans are returning the heat. Today Mike Turner (R-OH) referred to the extremists as the Bully Caucus on MSNBC and said, “We need to get back to professionalism, we need to get back to governing, we need to get back to legislating.” Derrick Van Orden (R-WI) told Juliegrace Brufke of Axios: "The vast majority of the Republican Party in the House of Representatives...are sick and tired of having people who...constantly blackmail the speaker of the House.”

Another Republican representative, Jake LaTurner of Kansas, announced today he will not run for reelection. He joins more than 20 other Republican representatives heading for the exits.

After all the drama, the House Rules Committee voted 6–3 tonight to advance the foreign aid package to the House floor. Three Republicans voted nay. While it is customary for the opposition party to vote against advancing bills out of the committee, the Democrats broke with tradition and voted in favor.

hcr
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 04:04 am
Today I've woken to the news that America has used its veto to stop the recognition of a Palestinian state, Israel has bombed Iran, and Biden has given a speech in Papua New Guinea where he said Papuan cannibals ate his uncle.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 06:13 am
@Frank Apisa,
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It is my opinion that chosing Joe Biden over Trump is the only sane, reasonable, intelligent thing to do.

Yes, frank, I understand what you're saying. You're saying that just because joe has identified himself as a zionist, and is aiding and abetting a zionist war criminal who sees Gazans--kids and babies included--as the incarnation of the old testament Amalekites who must all die, that's no reason to not vote for him. I get that!

And frank, exactly where do you rank genocide on your list of the worst things in the world a president can provide material support for?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 06:27 am
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:


And frank, exactly where do you rank genocide on your list of the worst things in the world a president can provide material support for?


Where indeed?

This is from Global Times, a Chinese funded organ and biased as ****, but that does not detract from its veracity.

Quote:
In its more than 240-year-long history since declaring independence on July 4, 1776, there have only been 16 years in which the US was not at war. From the end of World War II (WWII) to 2001, the US has initiated 201 of the 248 armed conflicts in 153 locations, accounting for over 80 percent of total wars fought. Since 2001, wars and military operations by the US have claimed more than 800,000 lives and displaced tens of millions of people.


https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202112/1240435.shtml

If you were to compile a list of worst presidents re war crimes I don't think Biden would be top of the list.

And if we're going back to 1776 the UK isn't squeaky clean either.

You were the one who proposed a ranking system so please tell us which presidents were better than Biden and why, and which ones were worse.

Glennn
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 06:43 am
@izzythepush,
Read this again:

"And frank, exactly where do you rank genocide on your list of the worst things in the world a president can provide material support for?"

I'm asking frank where he ranks genocide, not presidents.
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If you were to compile a list of worst presidents re war crimes I don't think Biden would be top of the list.

Doesn't detract from the fact that it's genocide he has decided to support wholeheartedly today. If past presidents showed the same horrid lack of character and moral integrity as biden, that didn't establish a precedent that somehow justifies supporting genocide.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 06:57 am
@Glennn,
Where would you rank it compared to say 280,000 Iraqui civilians directly killed by Dubya?

I don't think Biden's crimes are uniquely bad or a lot worse than other presidents.

Biden does however, act within accepted principles laws and treaties.

He doesn't attack long established allies and support dictators, and countries that have long considered themselves inimical to the West.

Trump has done all of that, he has embraced fascists, far right conpiracy theories and lied about the integrith of the election.

His manifesto, for what it is, is nothing but a hit list of people, places, institutions and countries he will attack when he takes office
Glennn
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 07:19 am
@izzythepush,
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Where would you rank it compared to say 280,000 Iraqui civilians directly killed by Dubya?

Yeah, bush is guilty of war crimes against the innocent people of Iraq. He's no better than biden. But ranking past war criminals with the one in office today doesn't change the nature of biden's refusal to put a stop to genocide. You either condone genocide, or you condemn it. biden is condoning it. Proof of that lies in the fact that he's sending the religious nutter over there everything he needs to continue his war crimes against innocent people.
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He doesn't attack long established allies and support dictators,

He attacks innocent human beings through his unshakable material support of the religious nutter committing the genocide in Gaza. That's a character defect of the highest order.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 07:29 am
@Glennn,
Trump is a direct threat to the security, well being, and even existance of Europe.

Glennn
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 07:34 am
@izzythepush,
Americans are given a choice between two atrocious characters. Americans should look into the current political system and ask why it is that of all the people in the country, these lowlifes are the offered choices. But they never will; not even when voting for a president comes down to deciding who the least reprehensible candidate is.

biden's support for genocide means something about biden. What does it mean about people who support him anyway?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 07:48 am
@Glennn,
I can agree with you on that.

Electoral reform is something you could do with.

We had our first Reform Act in 1832, and despite warnings social order did not break down.

There's many things could be changed, you could get rid of the electoral college and introduce a French system where there are two rounds 9f presidential elections.

If no candidate secures over 50% of the vote there is second vote between the top two.

That would mean voting for a third party candidate would not give the worst alternative the presidency.

All those things are valid arguments, but that's not where we are.

The choice will bebetween Biden and Trump.

Although Biden is deeply flawed, he's not just a bit better than Trump, he's a thousand times better.

Genocide Joe, a thousand times better than Trump.

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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 07:51 am
@Glennn,
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biden's support for genocide means something about biden.

Bullshit. He doesn't support genocide and you know that.

Trump completely supports Putin and his effort to take over Ukraine (and perhaps beyond).

Trump and his ironically anti-Semitic fanatical base supports the idea of Israel. Do you know what he's NOT going to do if he's elected? Give any support to stop Israel's attack on Gaza. In fact, he'll double down with blocking any Arab refugees from the crisis.

What does that say about you and your misguided attempts to delegitimize Biden's presidential campaign?

Are you willfully ignorant on how Trump is worse? Or is all your proGaza stances disingenuous?
Glennn
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 08:12 am
@tsarstepan,
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He doesn't support genocide and you know that.

I hear you saying that sending weapons of destruction to a religious nutter who's committing war crimes in real time is not support for genocide.

You know how silly that sounded, right?

How would you characterize a guy who is sending bombs to a religious nutter obsessed with old testament Amalekites who believes that the Gazans are the incarnation of the Amalekites?

If or when trump turns war criminal, I'll be all over him like bark on a tree! I promise.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 08:30 am
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:


Quote:
It is my opinion that chosing Joe Biden over Trump is the only sane, reasonable, intelligent thing to do.

Yes, frank, I understand what you're saying. You're saying that just because joe has identified himself as a zionist, and is aiding and abetting a zionist war criminal who sees Gazans--kids and babies included--as the incarnation of the old testament Amalekites who must all die, that's no reason to not vote for him. I get that!

And frank, exactly where do you rank genocide on your list of the worst things in the world a president can provide material support for?



One...I agree with Izzy that Joe Biden is a thousand times better a choice for the presidency as Trump. And since the candidate of the Democratic Party or the candidate of the Republican Party will almost certainly be our next president...and since Joe Biden and Trump almost certainly will be the candidates of those parties...

...the only sane, reasonable, intelligent move would be to vote for Biden.

If you disagree...fine. It is your right to disagree.

Two...I agree with Tsarstepen that Joe Biden does not support genocide. I suspect that on some level YOU know that also, but you seem wedded to making that charge against Joe Biden...and you have a right to do so.

So do it and enjoy yourself.
Glennn
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 08:35 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I agree with Tsarstepen that Joe Biden does not support genocide.

Hmm. I see that this is a one-size-fits-all answer to biden supporters:

I hear you saying that sending weapons of destruction to a religious nutter who's committing war crimes against innocent humans in real time is not support for genocide.

You know how silly that sounded, right?
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2024 08:37 am
@Frank Apisa,
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you seem wedded to making that charge against Joe Biden...
Glen's new hobby horse since the pandemic fizzled out...
 

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