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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2024 05:35 am
@hightor,
We have an established church.

Anglican bishops have seats in the House of Lords, (similar to the Senate.)

None of our judges would spout horseshit like that.

In terms of constitution, Britain is way more theocratic than America, but as far as religiosity goes, it's the exact opposite.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2024 06:48 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

We have an established church.

Anglican bishops have seats in the House of Lords, (similar to the Senate.)

None of our judges would spout horseshit like that.

In terms of constitution, Britain is way more theocratic than America, but as far as religiosity goes, it's the exact opposite.


I just want to call to your attention to the fact that the US Senate is called the "Upper" House of the US Congress."
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2024 06:51 am
@izzythepush,
There has always been a strong presence of religion (Christian, of course) in the USA but it was largely a local phenomenon – the "Bible Belt" – and, with a few exceptions, like the "In God We Trust" motto on our currency, the Constitution's establishment clause protected us from theocracy. But it's the Supreme Court which interprets the Constitution and, with the addition of a bunch of conservative justices, the clause has been turned completely on its head so that now, government neutrality with respect to religion is seen as hostility. So if you object to your tax dollars supporting the annual nativity scene in the town square, any action by the city to halt the practice is seen as hostility to religion – even though believers are still free to attend their churches, indoctrinate their children, and basically believe anything they want. The clause is being used to uphold prejudice against gay and trans people. It's being used to force states to fund religious schools. None of this used to be allowed. And it even allows a judge to interpret the law based on his particular Christian perspective, even if other Christians don't see a conflict with their religious practice and belief.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2024 07:21 am
@hightor,
I think there's quite a few reasons why we're not so religious.

During the Interregnum Puritans abolished pretty much everything people enjoyed, which is why the monarchy was asked back once Cromwell died.

This was cemented with the Glorious Revolution and freedom of belief. It also meant that despite there being other churches, the Anglican church became very broad.

It's the case today, some Anglican churches seem very cathlic others are quite plain.

Overall the English are not that religious. Chaucer mocked religious figures, but to understand English character you need to look at Falstaff.

Falstaff is a terrible person, a criminal of low morals, but he has three attributes that endear him to people.

Two attributes are he lives well and is very witty, and those attributes tend to be popular throughout.

The third attribute is irreverence, Falstaff does not kowtow to authority, religious or secular which is not seen as so laudable outside of England, especially when it was written.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2024 08:29 am
@hightor,
For Germany, generally speaking, religion is a private matter.

Our constitution protects faith: freedom of belief and freedom of religious and ideological confession are inviolable; no one is obliged to reveal their religious convictions; no one may be forced to perform an ecclesiastical act or to participate in a religious exercise. (Is regulated in the Basic Law and the state constitutions)

In a certain sense, socially speaking religion is not a private matter, however, because it is part of society.
And our constitutional system recognises this social character of the church and religious community.
The Federal Constitutional Court ruled in 2003: "The religious and ideological neutrality required of the state is not to be understood as distancing in the sense of a strict separation of church and state, but as an open and overarching attitude that promotes freedom of belief for all denominations equally." 2 BvR 1436/02
That is why we are a secular and not a laicist country.

Religious citations in court judgements are not possible (except in administrative court decisions where this is precisely the issue), especially not as a "legal source" of a judgement.
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2024 09:17 am
@izzythepush,
I like that post, izzy.
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The third attribute is irreverence, Falstaff does not kowtow to authority, religious or secular which is not seen as so laudable outside of England, especially when it was written.

Surely one of the greatest characters in English literature. Years ago I read an account of a upper crust party where Princess Anne performed a song. When she'd finished, there was much clapping and many congratulatory comments voiced except in the case of one attendee who, from the back of the room, let out a sonorous "Booooooooooo". It was Francis Bacon.

America's religiosity is an interesting subject. There seems to be no question that the US has theocratic tendencies much more so than England - but also much more so than Canada, Australia or New Zealand which have roughly similar settlement, legal and constitutional histories.

But America is notably different in one particular aspect. The early Christian communities commonly held a notion that just as America was a beacon of light for renewed political organization (different from and improving upon European precedents) so too was it an opportunity for religious renewal. Various movements arose over the first centuries which held that American Christianity was closer to the original version of the faith and that it held a duty to evangelize and spread this superior version into the world. This was in many ways a mirror image of America's sense of duty to spread its version of superior political organization through the world.

In both cases, this was a revolutionary mindset. Neither Canada, Australia nor New Zealand self-identified in this manner. We didn't have a revolution and thus had no such need to build up myth structures that aggrandized ourselves as superior to Britain or describe ourselves as "best in the world" or some such. In the first couple of centuries, these evangelical movements I'm describing spread up to Canada as well but were never nearly so influential and did not have the added oomph that came from the parallel political notions.

I think this is the key factor in understanding why American religiosity is so different from all other Christian nations I can think of, New World or Old.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2024 09:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
In my opinion, however, it is remarkable that the Catholic bishops in Germany have called for resistance against attacks on democracy from the right.

Germany's Catholic Church speaks out against the far right
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Catholic bishops meeting in the city of Augsburg this week strongly condemned the rise of ethnic nationalism and right-wing extremism in German society. "Right-wing extremist parties and others that thrive on the fringes of this ideology are therefore no place where Christians can be politically active and cannot be voted for," their statement said.

On this point, the bishops made an explicit reference to the far-right party Alternative for Germany (AfD). They said the party's beliefs are "incompatible with the Christian image of God and humankind."

This statement is highly unusual because for the past 25 years, the Catholic bishops have been reluctant to offer any assessments of political parties.
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2024 09:21 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Good for them!
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2024 11:18 am
@blatham,
When a congratulatory message from the Prince of Wales wax read out Spike Milligan famously called him a grovelling bastard.

I think it's on youtube.
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 23 Feb, 2024 12:47 pm
@izzythepush,
Thanks!! I'd never seen that video. We owe such a debt of gratitude to that guy (and his mates).
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 24 Feb, 2024 01:14 am
This drives me absolutely ******* crazy.
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Republicans against Trump@RpsAgainstTrump
12h
Far-left Democratic voter in Michigan says he’s ok with Trump returning to the WH, because of Biden’s support for Israel:

“It’s like a vaccine. I’m willing to take short-term pain for a long-term gain.”
Following the tweet was a video of this "far-left Democratic voter" being interviewed on MSNBC.

In response to the tweet, there's this (which names the speaker)
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Heather Cox Richardson (TDPR) reposted
Armand Domalewski@ArmandDoma
Khalid Turaani was a registered Republican who publicly campaigned for George W. Bush. He’s running an effort to “Abandon Joe Biden” but I can find no evidence he ever supported him in the first place


When Obama was running against McCain, the GOP set up a dirty tricks campaign just like this. They established a website on MySpace called ClintonsForMcCain which claimed to be a huge collective of female "life-long" Dem voters who were rejecting Obama because he'd been rude to Hillary in the primary and so were supporting McCain instead. We knew that it was a GOP operation because a reporter at Wired checked the domain registration for the site and found it was registered by the GOP. As soon as Wired published this finding, the site became non-operational and a new site - Clintons4McCain was set up with the same content but this time the domain was registered by a company which hid the name of the registrant. The media face of this operation was Cristi Atkins who appeared multiple times on Fox and at least twice on Chris Matthews Hardball show. Here's one example... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIZ4teKidZk Another version of the same operation was also set up under the name PUMA.

The theme in both was the same; "We've had it with men who dismiss women and treat them like garbage and so we, even though we've always supported the Democratic Party, are shifting our alliance to John McCain and we urge all Democratic women to join us."

And the content on these MySpace sites was filled with right wing agitprop of that time including attacks on Nancy Pelosi, the DNC and many, many images of Obama as an African native in a loin cloth and with a bone through his nose.

How the hell did this contemporary MSNBC show and Republicans for Trump get played so easily?

(and if any of this reminds you of a regular poster here...)
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hightor
 
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Reply Sat 24 Feb, 2024 05:35 am
Confused Tuberville Completely Flounders on Alabama IVF Embryo Ruling

The Alabama senator took three different positions on that Alabama court’s embryo ruling in less than two minutes.

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Alabama Senator Tommy Tuberville is clearly gunning to win the award for “Dumbest Senator” a second year in a row, fully demonstrating that he has no idea what in vitro fertilization is, nor does he have basic knowledge about the recent Alabama court ruling that effectively banned the assisted family conception procedure from his state.

“Yeah, I was all for it,” Tuberville told reporters at CPAC on Thursday when asked about the state Supreme Court ruling that classified frozen embryos as children. “You just gotta look at everything going on in the country. It’s just an attack on families, an attack on kids. You know, anything we can do for the future of our young people, because they’re our number one commodity.”

“We need to have more kids, we need to have an opportunity to do that, and I thought this was the right thing to do,” he added.

“But IVF is used to have more children, and right now IVF services are paused at some of the clinics in Alabama,” prodded an NBC News reporter. “Aren’t you concerned that this could impact people who are trying to have kids?”

“Well, that’s for another conversation,” said a stumped Tuberville. “I think the big thing is right now you protect, you go back to the situation and you try to work it out to where it’s best for everybody. That’s what the whole abortion issue is about.”

“But this isn’t really about abortion, it’s about IVF and the concern that now families might not have access to it,” the reporter responded.

“But it’s about the same direction, but I agree,” Tubberville said, seemingly bewildered before doubling down on the party line. “People need to have access. People need to—we need more kids. We need people to have the opportunity to have kids.”

Yet one glance at the state’s recent politics would indicate that’s absolutely not a priority in the state. Infertility impacts one in five women, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But last week, the Alabama Supreme Court decided that embryos created through IVF would be protected under the Wrongful Death of a Minor Act, classifying single-celled, fertilized eggs as children. The decision has spelled certain doom for IVF clinics across the state, three of which have already announced that they will no longer be offering the procedure for fear of being hit with wrongful death suits.

Still, that wasn’t enough for Tuberville to pay it any mind, and he at first mistook the judicial decision for a “bill” before admitting that he “hasn’t looked at it” and that he didn’t consider it a “big conversation” with regard to the general election.

“But women aren’t going to be able to have IVF to get kids already, in some places,” the reporter responded. “What do you say to them?”

“Yea, that’s unfortunate,” Tuberville said, repeating “unfortunate” a few more times.

“IVF is not a Democrat or Republican issue. Families across the board use it. What is your message to the Supreme Court if this does in fact stop families from using IVF?” the reporter asked.

“We don’t need that,” Tuberville said.

“Oh…my…God.” Morning Joe hosts gobsmacked by clueless Alabama Republican Senator Tommy Tuberville twisting himself into knots. (Video: MSNBC) pic.twitter.com/huTuksbnuV
— Mike Sington (@MikeSington) February 23, 2024

tnr
hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 24 Feb, 2024 06:43 am
Best take I saw was "Tell them embryos are non-binary".
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 24 Feb, 2024 09:21 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Alabama Senator Tommy Tuberville is clearly gunning to win the award for “Dumbest Senator” a second year in a row

Surprising as college football coaches are normally the intellectual elites of their institution. It's what makes them so suitable as political leaders.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 24 Feb, 2024 09:40 am
Some of these folks are clearly recognizing that their extremism is only going to work if they keep it hidden.
Quote:
Senators Now Defending IVF CoSponsored Bill to Outlaw It

Sen. Steve Daines (R) of Montana heads the Senate Republican campaign committee, which today sent out a memo to all its candidates instructing them to vigorously defend IVF fertility treatments which the Alabama Supreme Court just effectively outlawed in the state. Donald Trump put out a statement so wildly endorsing IVF that he appears all but ready to undergo IVF himself just to make the point. But Sen. Daines himself recently cosponsored (along with numerous Senate colleagues) a law based on precisely the same theory used by the Alabama court.

Senate bill S.99, introduced in early 2021 and cosponsored by Daines, claims that all homo sapiens, born and unborn are entitled to the full protections of the 14th amendment. While the bill states that law does not “require” the “prohibition” of IVF it states very clearly that it requires the full panoply of constitutional rights for embryos. To quote the law, it holds that the term “human person” applies to “each member of the species homo sapiens at all stages of life, including [from] the moment of fertilization.”

This is, again, identical to the Alabama court’s reasoning. It similarly did not explicitly prohibit in vitro fertilization. It rules that every embryo produced as part of IVF treatment is a human being with full constitutional rights. So in practice this does make IVF unworkable, despite not “requiring” outlawing it, since IVF produces embryos which are never implanted. When they are discarded they are presumably killed. That’s why Alabama IVF clinics are currently ceasing operations.
Josh Marshall
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 24 Feb, 2024 10:29 am
The Right Wing Machine Runs On Grifting - Episode 3875
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N.R.A. Stung by Corruption Verdict Tied to Millions of Misspent Dollars
A Manhattan jury found that the National Rifle Association’s former leader, Wayne LaPierre, had used the group’s funds to pay for lavish personal expenses, including vacations and luxury flights.
NYT

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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 25 Feb, 2024 07:51 am
https://i.imgur.com/LTVI2SH.jpeg
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 25 Feb, 2024 08:05 am
https://i.imgur.com/ruY5Egx.jpeg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 Feb, 2024 08:35 am
German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock on Sunday was forced to cut short a visit to a water treatment plant paid for with German aid, in the southern Ukrainian city of Mykolaiv.

The incident occurred when air-raid sirens wailed as a Russian reconnaissance drone was spotted trailing the politician and her team before breaking off its route and leaving.

Such sightings are often followed by a direct missile attack.

Baerbock and her delegation were rushed from the scene at a high rate of speed in armored vehicles.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 Feb, 2024 10:13 am
Richard Grenell was US ambassador to Germany under Donald Trump. In an interview, he sharply criticised former German Chancellor Merkel, saying that her policies had led to the war in Ukraine and Gaza:"If Merkel had followed Trump, we wouldn't have any wars now".
He finds Trump's NATO statement "fantastic" and is convinced that Putin would also be afraid of Trump.

Interview (in German)
 

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