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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
izzythepush
 
  2  
Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 11:21 am
@bobsal u1553115,
It's not about the people it's the government.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 11:46 am
The interim verdict on genocide will be issued tomorrow.

In the meantime here is a Tik Tok of an Israeli student complaining about people referencing the Holocaust saying, "Do not use other genocides to describe this one."

She really did say that, and you can see how she realises she has screwed up royally.

https://www.tiktok.com/@omarsuleimanofficial/video/7327709715369102634
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blatham
 
  4  
Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 11:49 am
This is a winner. It must be kept front and center regardless of whatever noise the GOP tosses up between now and November.
Quote:
Joe Biden@JoeBiden
1h
Give me a Democratic House of Representatives and a bigger Democratic Senate, and we will pass a new law to restore and protect Roe v. Wade.

I will sign it immediately.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 12:05 pm

Quote:
Will Biden ever stand up to Benjamin Netanyahu? Don’t bet on it
Chris McGreal

Netanyahu and his far-right allies have rejected a two-state solution over and over – yet the US is unwilling to call them on it

Joe Biden has expended a lot of effort to avoid taking Benjamin Netanyahu at his word.

The Israeli prime minister has spent his political life opposing a Palestinian state and acting accordingly. And although Biden has trotted out a rote commitment to the two-state solution when confronted with a crisis in the Middle East, there was barely a murmur from the White House as Netanyahu’s far-right government ramped up creeping colonisation of the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem and hardened its domination of the Palestinians who live there.

So last week’s pronouncement by Netanyahu that there will be no Palestinian state, and that he intends to perpetuate Israel’s brand of apartheid through permanent military control of the West Bank, was no great revelation to Washington. The timing, however, means that this time it cannot be so easily shunted aside.

One effect of the Hamas attack on 7 October has been to push the Palestinian question back into the diplomatic spotlight after the US and its allies all but abandoned any real attempt to resolve the conflict in recent years and consigned it to the shadows.

During Netanyahu’s long tenure as prime minister of Israel, politicians in Washington, Brussels and London have continued to pay occasional lip service to two states but in talking to them privately it often seemed that they had concluded that the Palestinians were a defeated people – and so colluded in the Palestinians’ oppression by leaving Netanyahu to get on with his land grab.

Occasional objections to particularly egregious statements or actions by Netanyahu’s racist cabinet ministers might be raised, but no one was going to back up words with consequential action, least of all the Biden administration. This White House went a long way to avoid confrontation with Israel even before its largely unconditional support for the present war in Gaza, which has claimed more than 25,000 lives, most of them children and women, according to the health ministry there.

As Stephanie Kirchgaessner revealed in the Guardian last week, the US state department has a unit working to undermine American human rights laws by, in effect, covering up suspected crimes against humanity in the occupied territories in order to protect weapons shipments to Israel. The White House wouldn’t even stand up for a US citizen, the journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, when she was shot in 2022 in what looked very much like a cold-blooded killing by the Israeli army. And the US, as ever, has continued to wield its veto at the UN security council in support of Israel.

Netanyahu has repaid all of this by humiliating Biden.

Two weeks after the Hamas attack, Biden said that the Israel-Gaza crisis should result in a “concentrated effort” to create a Palestinian state. Last week, as attention shifts to what comes next, Netanyahu bluntly rejected any such plan.

In his desperation to sidestep reality, Biden even tried to deny that Netanyahu meant what he said. The White House claimed that the Israeli prime minister told the president in a phone call that he remains open to two states under certain conditions.

Netanyahu responded with an abrupt tweet killing that idea: “I will not compromise on full Israeli security control over the entire area west of Jordan – and this is contrary to a Palestinian state.”

Why would Netanyahu make such a statement at this time, publicly embarrassing the president of Israel’s most important and powerful ally? Because he’s learned that he can so without any real cost.

Netanyahu would have had one eye on domestic politics: he wants to shore up support in his far-right coalition by putting a damper on the sudden revival of talk in foreign capitals about getting a Palestinian state back on track, including reports that the White House is looking to a deal with a future Israeli government and Arab countries.

But the statement also reflects Netanyahu’s sense of impunity. Israeli leaders used to take pains to at least stay on the right side of the White House. But Netanyahu found that there were no real consequences for open contempt when he ran up against Barack Obama. The military aid and diplomatic protection continued to flow uninterrupted.

Obama came to power in 2009 saying he regarded the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as a “constant sore” that “infect[s] all of our foreign policy”. His national security adviser, General James Jones, told a European leader that the administration would be “forceful” with Israel, and that the US, EU and moderate Arab states must define “a satisfactory endgame solution”.

When Netanyahu rejected Obama’s demand for a halt to settlement construction, the president suggested that Israeli intransigence endangered America’s security, a dramatic departure from the standard Washington line about the Jewish state as the US’s closest ally.

Netanyahu responded to the pressure by publicly lecturing Obama on a 2011 visit to the White House, and even used a clip of his humiliating treatment of the president in a later election campaign ad.

In the end, Obama wasn’t ready to risk the political capital required to press the Palestinian cause and retreated. He then signed the biggest-ever military aid bill to Israel – $3.8bn a year. Biden learned the lesson.

Even Donald Trump, who firmly sided with Netanyahu, had few illusions about the man who goes by the nickname Bibi.

“Bibi never wanted peace. He just tapped us along. Tap, tap, tap, tap …,” the Israeli journalist Barak Ravid says Trump told him in 2021.

It’s tempting to think that things might be different when Netanyahu is gone. Opinion polls show that most Israelis blame him for the political and military failures which allowed Hamas and other militant groups to slaughter 1,200 people and abduct more than 200 others on 7 October. But there’s not much sign of a serious commitment to negotiating a viable deal with the Palestinians among Netanyahu’s prospective successors, and it’s unlikely to come without serious US pressure.

Biden has shown that he is prepared to pay a political price for his support for Israel, which has angered many progressive Democrats at home and large parts of the rest of the world, which see the assault on Gaza as a vengeful bloodletting and further evidence of the systematic oppression of the Palestinians.

It is probably too much to hope that, in the face of Netanyahu’s intransigence, Biden will take the political risks to fight for a Palestinian state just as forcefully as he defends Israel. But if the president is not prepared to do so, it will be clearer than ever to the rest of the world that the US has chosen to stand with oppression.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/25/biden-benjamin-netanyahu-israel-palestine
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 12:50 pm
@Glennn,
Anyone who knows Glitter.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 12:56 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
It's not about the people it's the government.


[youtube]https://youtu.be/nzsw07QFe4s?si=lIEW18iuP9XL_mD7[/youtube]

Absolutely got that, the examples we posted were against the government, too.
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blatham
 
  5  
Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 01:18 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Trump has generated a deep personal bond with members of the (shrunken) Republican Party. Biden has not done that. But that is not the nature of the transaction between Biden and his party.

Politicians who possess a natural charisma to which masses respond positively (Reagan, Bill Clinton, Obama, Buttigieg and, uh, who else? Oh how could I forget Ron DeSantis) are fortunate in this political game. But it isn't necessary. It depends on the situation and on whom they are facing in an electoral contest. And it seems to me (and many others, I think) that Biden's biggest asset is Trump himself.

Maybe what Trump possesses is a sort of negative-charisma. By which I mean that he is popular but that this popularity is of a very negative sort which encourages the worst sort of emotions and responses in his followers. They love that he uses demeaning insults constantly, that he encourages hatreds and violence, that he cheats and lies and and molests women and all with a smirk on his face. If his base discovered he was charitable and loving, studious, fair in his dealings with others and honest, he would not be their man for this hour.

One subject area Drury has studied is authoritarianism where she lays out the two facets of the thing; the authoritarian figure himself/herself and the eager audience for such a leader. And, rather obviously, such an audience is found mainly on the right. True in the US and true everywhere. That's the contract between such a leader and his audience. It's just that this dynamic has rarely, if ever, been so prevalent and powerful in the US previously.

The transaction between Dem voters and their leaders, including Biden, is something very different. And my wager is that the transaction between the majority of citizens and Biden is so profoundly different from what Trump and his base openly manifest that November will not be a tragedy.
Glennn
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 02:17 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Why are you guys speaking for glitter? She can probably best explain her reason for being offended.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 02:18 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Lash wrote:

Lash wrote:

I’m watching the genocide every day and Germany supports it.

Not complicated.

The US, the UK, France & Germany have voiced support for Israel’s extermination of Palestinians.

Might as well not try to equivocate or mince words around this holocaust.



You should be ashamed of yourself.

The only ones who should be ashamed are those who are pretending they aren’t watching a genocide and who aren’t demanding a ceasefire.

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Lash
 
  -2  
Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 02:22 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Many descendants of Holocaust victims say the same thing I’m saying.

Are you in a position to consider yourself a better judge than those family members?

#NeverAgain has meaning for some people.
Lash
 
  0  
Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 02:29 pm
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2023/10/23/not-in-my-name-the-european-jews-condemning-israels-war-on-gaza

Not in my name’: The European Jews condemning Israel’s war on Gaza
From Glasgow to London to Barcelona, many Jewish protesters take on abuse to join pro-Palestinian rallies.


When Jonathan Ofir heard the West-led chorus of vehement condemnations of the October 7 Hamas attack on southern Israel, coupled with a flood of statements supporting the country’s right — in effect — to retaliate, he feared he knew what that meant.

“That is, a green light for Israel to carry out a much larger massacre than the one they were revenging,” said the Jewish musician, conductor and writer.

More than 1,400 people were killed in Israel in the Hamas attack, prompting the country’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to declare war on the armed Palestinian group. An incessant and brutal bombing campaign by Israel has since killed more than 5,100 people in the Gaza Strip, with large parts of the territory reduced to rubble in just over a fortnight. A Palestinian NGO reported that the Israeli bombing of Gaza had tragically claimed the lives of one Palestinian child every 15 minutes since the start of the conflict.

Ofir, a pro-Palestinian campaigner who was born in Israel but lives in the Danish capital, Copenhagen, is among many Europe-based Jews who are critical of Israel’s policies and have joined protests that have exploded across the continent against the ongoing attacks on Gaza.

From Glasgow to London, Paris to Barcelona, many have joined pro-Palestinian rallies to express solidarity with the people of the blockaded enclave. They represent a vocal minority of Jews that continue to make the case for the rights of a people who have lived under Israeli occupation for generations – the Palestinians – just as they have for decades.

“Israel claims Jews as its national asset, and it weaponises us, as Jews – both as bodies in the demographic battle vis-a-vis non-Jews and particularly Palestinians, and ideologically as born representatives of the Jewish state – [and] seeks to do that to Jews worldwide,” Ofir told Al Jazeera. “That claim, in turn, makes [us] the human shields of the state, as it assaults Palestinians under its settler-colonialist agenda, be it through ongoing ethnic cleansing, through siege or through seasonal massacres.”

Naama Farjoun largely grew up in Jerusalem, but has long described herself as an anti-Zionist Jew. In January 2001, she left Israel, just months after the outbreak of the second Intifada. Today, the 54-year-old lives on the outskirts of Valencia, Spain.

“I left [Israel] because I could not bear the burden of being a privileged [Israeli] citizen in a racist state,” said the mother of two, who said that she was daily angered by the “Israeli occupation and discrimination of my Palestinian co-citizens”.

Farjoun told Al Jazeera that the Hamas attack on Israel brought her “great sorrow … causing suffering no one should endure”. But she added: “I believe the current tragic events are a direct result of years of abuse, repression, violence and deprivation implemented by the State of Israel.”

Jews — including Israeli Jews — voicing their condemnation of Israel’s conduct against the Palestinians is not a new phenomenon. So-called Israeli refuseniks – citizens of Israel who have snubbed its compulsory military service laws in protest of the country’s treatment of the Palestinians – have often served jail time for their principles.

Joseph Abileah, an Austrian-born musician, is widely considered to be the first individual in Israel to stand trial for refusing to serve in the Israeli military, doing so just months after the Jewish state was established in 1948. The violinist managed to escape a prison sentence, and his stance paved the way for generations of Israeli conscientious objectors.

Yet just as Israel’s refuseniks often face backlash for their convictions, so too do pro-Palestinian Jews elsewhere.

It is, said one European resident, rarely easy to publicly support Palestine and condemn Israel as a self-declared Jew.

“When I first started identifying myself as Jewish and supporting Palestinian rights on X [formerly Twitter], the issue in the UK was closely bound up with Corbyn’s leadership of the Labour Party,” said British citizen Tom London, referring to the strident pro-Palestinian convictions of former United Kingdom opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn.

He added to Al Jazeera: “I got plenty of abuse then on X, including describing me as an anti-Semite and saying I was lying about being Jewish. Someone once went through every tweet I had ever sent – but found nothing to help their vile and ridiculous claim that I was an anti-Semite.”

At the time of this writing, a Jewish Voice for Peace petition, calling for an immediate end to the Israeli attack on Gaza, has gathered more than 1,300 signatures from Israeli citizens living in Israel, Palestine and abroad. “As a Jew, and particularly as an Israeli Jew, I feel it is incumbent upon me to say that this is not in my name, and I will fight it as such,” asserted Ofir. “Because freedom, justice and equality for Palestinians is a necessity, and if that necessity doesn’t get sufficed, it is not only harming them, it will come to haunt Jews.”

“We need to … work towards a shared future where we do not harm each other – we need to create a culture of peace. Jewish supremacy will not achieve that.”

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Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 02:39 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Trump has generated a deep personal bond with members of the (shrunken) Republican Party. Biden has not done that. But that is not the nature of the transaction between Biden and his party.

Politicians who possess a natural charisma to which masses respond positively (Reagan, Bill Clinton, Obama, Buttigieg and, uh, who else? Oh how could I forget Ron DeSantis) are fortunate in this political game. But it isn't necessary. It depends on the situation and on whom they are facing in an electoral contest. And it seems to me (and many others, I think) that Biden's biggest asset is Trump himself.

Maybe what Trump possesses is a sort of negative-charisma. By which I mean that he is popular but that this popularity is of a very negative sort which encourages the worst sort of emotions and responses in his followers. They love that he uses demeaning insults constantly, that he encourages hatreds and violence, that he cheats and lies and and molests women and all with a smirk on his face. If his base discovered he was charitable and loving, studious, fair in his dealings with others and honest, he would not be their man for this hour.

One subject area Drury has studied is authoritarianism where she lays out the two facets of the thing; the authoritarian figure himself/herself and the eager audience for such a leader. And, rather obviously, such an audience is found mainly on the right. True in the US and true everywhere. That's the contract between such a leader and his audience. It's just that this dynamic has rarely, if ever, been so prevalent and powerful in the US previously.

The transaction between Dem voters and their leaders, including Biden, is something very different. And my wager is that the transaction between the majority of citizens and Biden is so profoundly different from what Trump and his base openly manifest that November will not be a tragedy.


I read one opinion columnist who suggested Trump's base may be offended because he was not complaining that the New Hampshire election was rigged. I guess they are forgiving him for that oversight because he won the election.
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 04:05 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I guess when you acculturate a group to be vicious, that viciousness will sooner or later turn back on you. The modern GOP has a rich history of eating their own.
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blatham
 
  3  
Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 04:15 pm
Today, Peter Navarro was sentenced to four months in jail. At the Maddow Blog, Steve Benen notes the prior cases of criminal convictions of Trump associates:
Quote:
Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Trump’s former campaign vice chairman, Rick Gates, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Trump’s former adviser and former campaign aide, Roger Stone, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Trump’s former White House national security advisor, Michael Flynn, was charged and convicted.

Trump’s former campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

The Trump Organization’s former CFO, Allen Weisselberg, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.

Trump’s former chief strategist, Steve Bannon, was charged with wire fraud and money laundering, in addition to a conviction in a contempt case similar to Navarro’s.

Though he was later acquitted at trial, Trump’s former inaugural committee chair, Tom Barrack, was charged with illegally lobbying Trump on behalf of a foreign government. (Elliot Broidy was the vice chair of Trump’s inaugural committee, and he found himself at the center of multiple controversies, and also pled guilty to federal charges related to illegal lobbying.)

The former president’s business was itself found guilty of tax fraud.

Two lawyers associated with Trump's post-defeat efforts, Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell, have pleaded guilty to election-related crimes.

And now another one of Trump’s former White House advisors, Peter Navarro, has been charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 04:59 pm
@Glennn,
Quote:
Why are you guys speaking for glitter? She can probably best explain her reason for being offended.


You wouldn't understand, of course, but Glitter has friends.
blatham
 
  2  
Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 05:08 pm
Quote:
“To say that trust in the news media has declined is correct, but too vague,” Rosen said. “The reality is that destroying confidence in the practice and products of journalism is a potent and successful political strategy, as with Steve Bannon’s ‘flood the zone.’”

From a very good piece on the news industry here
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Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 05:11 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Oh I have friends, too, but I don't let them speak for me. Besides, you're not offended by the comparison too, are you?
engineer
 
  4  
Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 05:47 pm
I don't think anyone should be ashamed of themselves for calling out what Israel is doing. Right now, Israel has killed over 25 innocent Palestinians for each innocent Israeli killed by Hamas in October. When four escaped Israeli hostages presented themselves to the Israeli military with hands raised and a white flag showing, the soldiers shot them dead. Does that sound like a military which is taking precautions and trying to protect innocent life. It sounds more like kill them all and let Heaven sort them out. What Israel is doing is fundamentally wrong and I disagree with the US support of it.
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 07:56 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
I don't think anyone should be ashamed of themselves for calling out what Israel is doing.

I think the only "shame" implied concerned the use of the word Holocaust to describe the brutality and horror of the siege presently being inflicted on the population of Gaza.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jan, 2024 10:47 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
#NeverAgain has meaning for some people.
"Never again" was the radical left's initiative from 1989 against the German unification.

Wikipedia wrote:
The alliance disintegrated during the Gulf War in 1991. As a result, the German radical left split into "anti-German" and "anti-imperialists" in the dispute over the Israel-Palestine conflict and left-wing anti-Zionism.
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