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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2024 01:45 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
The unedited feed from court.
It is not enough just to follow the proceedings before the UN court (actually before any court), you also have to be familiar with procedural law in order to understand everything.

South Africa does not have to prove that Israel is committing genocide. At least not initially.
This is because the country only wants to obtain a provisional decision from the court. As the actual proceedings could take years, South Africa has requested immediate measures - the ICJ should oblige Israel to cease all hostilities.

To do so, the 17 judges would only have to establish by a simple majority that the acts complained of could fall under the provisions of the Genocide Convention.
In short: South Africa's complaint must be plausible. In the past decade, the ICJ has imposed such provisional measures eleven times - compared to only ten times in the first 50 years of its existence.

This is what happened, for example, - you certainly followed that, too, Lash - in the case of the Russian war of aggression in 2022. On 16 March, less than four weeks after Russia invaded Ukraine, the International Court of Justice ruled that Moscow must withdraw its troops immediately and cease hostilities. In doing so, the judges upheld an urgent action brought by Ukraine, which had accused Russia of abusing the Genocide Convention. The court also ruled similarly in a case brought by Gambia against Myanmar over the expulsion of the Muslim Rohingya.

Myanmar and Russia have ignored the provisional judgements, even though they are legally binding. Of course, there has not yet been a final decision in either case.

In 2004, the judges ruled in a legal opinion commissioned by the UN General Assembly that Israel was violating international law by building the barrier. Israel boycotted the proceedings and ignored the decision. Nothing happened.
But with a provisional decision by the ICJ in the genocide case, this might not be so easy.
If Israel were to violate it, the UN Security Council could impose sanctions.
Probably in the event that the USA were to veto the decision. But that would probably come at a high price.

Imagine: The ICJ finds that Israel is behaving in such a way that there is a risk of genocide and orders Israel to cease its military operations. And Israel says no and continues to operate in Gaza.
The UN Security Council then intervenes - and then the Biden administration has to say: we are preventing Israel from implementing international law, even though there is a risk of genocide.

My hope is that the ICJ proceedings, regardless of the final legal outcome, will contribute to a quick ceasefire.


An urgent decision could probably still be made in January, as the term of office of five judges ends on 5 February.

And Israel will be back in court on 19 February. On behalf of the UN General Assembly, the ICJ has scheduled a hearing on the legality of the Israeli occupation and settlement policy in the West Bank.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2024 07:02 pm
I wonder if the bombing of Yemen tonight by the US & UK is the US’ way of distracting from what happens at The Hague tomorrow.
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2024 07:24 pm
Quote:
My hope is that the ICJ proceedings, regardless of the final legal outcome, will contribute to a quick ceasefire

Most knowledgeable people I listen to re this subject don’t think we have the votes to win ultimately, but are more hopeful that we’ll get a ceasefire determination.

I don’t expect Israel to honor it completely—if at all.

A positive determination of the court might embolden some Arab states to approach Israel in other ways. Might spark a global boycott and / or strike.

For some of us with completely corrupted institutions, just having actual justice served in a court of law would seem like a miracle.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2024 08:47 pm
Admits "doing services" for foreign governments who paid him

Most Recent Post
Tori Otten
January 11, 2024/12:10 p.m. ET

Donald Trump says it’s OK that he got paid by foreign governments while he was president because he was “doing services” for them.

Trump participated in a Fox News town hall Wednesday night instead of the Republican primary debate. At one point, he was asked about a recent congressional report that found he made almost $8 million from nearly two dozen foreign governments during his first two years in office ...

Democrats on the House Oversight Committee released a report last week that found Trump’s businesses had received at least $7.8 million from at least 20 different countries. The report acknowledged that its findings were likely incomplete, as it covers just half of Trump’s presidency and transactions at just four of his more than 500 businesses ...

https://newrepublic.com/post/178023/trump-shocking-confession-bought-foreign-governments
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jan, 2024 08:49 pm
@Lash,
Bullshit.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2024 03:06 am
https://i.imgur.com/zM0Z6bxm.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/ZxR6zvvm.png

Waiting for Lash's comments ....
Lash
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2024 03:22 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Well, what network is that, Walter?
And did they use the live FEED of the proceedings or show clips and then give their spin of events?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2024 04:23 am
@Lash,
Stop making unsourced, wild accusations.

It does not help your cause in any way.

All it does is make it easy to dismiss anything you say.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2024 04:28 am
@Lash,
That's ridiculous. Like, maybe the US and UK armed the Houthis and told them to disrupt a major shipping lane so that, in case Israel gets brought before the ICJ, the US can bomb them to distract the world when Israel delivers its rebuttal today. Rolling Eyes
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2024 04:32 am
Quote:
“Today, at my direction,” President Joe Biden said this evening, “U.S. military forces—together with the United Kingdom and with support from Australia, Bahrain, Canada, and the Netherlands—successfully conducted strikes against a number of targets in Yemen used by Houthi rebels to endanger freedom of navigation in one of the world’s most vital waterways.”

The strikes came after the Iran-backed Houthi militia launched 27 attacks on vessels in the Red Sea, including merchant shipping vessels that carry about 12% of the world’s oil, 8% of its grain, and 8% of liquefied natural gas, as well as other commodities.

While the Houthis claim their attacks are designed to support the Palestinians in Gaza, they are also apparently angling to continue and spread the Hamas-Israel war into a wider conflict. Hamas, the Houthis, and Hezbollah, all nonstate actors backed by Iran, would like very much to extend and enlarge the war to enhance their own power and win adherents to their ideologies.

The Arab states do not want the conflict to spread. Neither does the U.S. government, and Biden and Secretary of State Antony Blinken have worked hard to make sure it doesn’t, sending two carrier groups to the region, for example, to deter enthusiasm for such an extension.

On October 19, shortly after the October 7 Hamas attack on Israel, Houthis launched cruise missiles and drones designed by Iran at Israel, but when the USS Carney and Saudi Arabia shot the weapons down, they turned to attacking shipping. Fifty or so ships use the Red Sea waterway every day.

On November 19, Houthis seized a Japanese-registered vessel, the Galaxy Leader, along with its 25-member international crew, prompting the United Nations Security Council to condemn “in the strongest terms” the “recent Houthi attacks” and “demanded that all such attacks and action cease immediately.” The Security Council “underlined the importance of…international law.”

On December 3, Houthis struck another three ships.

On December 19, the U.S., the European Union, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and a group representing 44 allies and partner nations condemned the Houthi attacks, noting that such attacks threatened international commerce, endangering supply chains and affecting the global economy. Also on December 19, the U.S. and partners announced a naval protection group for maritime shipping in the waterway, dubbed Operation Prosperity Guardian.

When the attacks continued, the governments of the U.S., Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Singapore, and the United Kingdom warned the Houthis on January 3, 2024, that their attacks were “illegal, unacceptable, and profoundly destabilizing,” delaying the delivery of goods and “jeopardizing the movement of critical food, fuel, and humanitarian assistance throughout the world.” They called for an end to the attacks and the release of the detained vessels and crew members, and they warned that the Houthis would bear responsibility for the “consequences” if the attacks continued.

“We remain committed to the international rules-based order and are determined to hold malign actors accountable for unlawful seizures and attacks,” the statement said.

Administration officials told the press the U.S. would strike the Houthis militarily if the attacks didn’t stop, although Biden has not wanted to destabilize Yemen further than it already is after a decade of civil war. “The president has made clear the U.S. does not seek conflict with any nation or actor in the Middle East,” John Kirby, spokesperson for the White House National Security Council, said. “But neither will we shrink from the task of defending ourselves, our interests, our partners or the free flow of international commerce.” An administration official said: “I would not anticipate another warning.”

On Tuesday, January 9, the Houthis launched 21 drones and missiles in the most significant attack yet—one that directly targeted U.S. ships—and on January 10 the U.N. Security Council passed UNSCR 2722, a resolution condemning the attacks “in the strongest terms.” Eleven members voted in favor and none opposed it. Four countries—China, Russia, Algeria, and Mozambique—abstained, but neither China nor Russia, both of which have veto power, would veto the resolution.

Today the U.S. and the U.K., with coalition support, responded. Military strikes came from the air, ocean, and underwater, according to a defense official, and they hit weapons storage areas and sites from which the Houthis have been launching drones and cruise missiles.

The governments of Australia, Bahrain, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, the U.K, and the U.S. announced the “precision strikes,” saying they were “in accordance with the inherent right of individual and collective self-defense, consistent with the UN Charter” and “were intended to disrupt and degrade the capabilities the Houthis use to threaten global trade and the lives of international mariners in one of the world’s most critical waterways.”

“Our aim remains to de-escalate tensions and restore stability in the Red Sea,” the statement read, “but let our message be clear: we will not hesitate to defend lives and protect the free flow of commerce in one of the world’s most critical waterways in the face of continued threats.” Biden’s statement sounded much the same but added: “I will not hesitate to direct further measures to protect our people and the free flow of international commerce as necessary.”

As the January 3 statement from the governments of the U.S., Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Singapore, and the U.K. made clear, one of the key things at stake in standing against the Houthi attacks is the international rules-based order, that is, the system of international laws and organizations developed after World War II to prevent global conflicts by providing forums to resolve differences peacefully. A key element of this international system of agreements is freedom of the seas.

Also central to that rules-based international order is partnerships and allies. Two days ago, one of Europe’s leading politicians revealed that in 2020, former president Trump told European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen: “You need to understand that if Europe is under attack, we will never come to help you and to support you.” According to the politician, Trump added that “NATO is dead, and we will leave, we will quit NATO,” a threat he has made elsewhere, too.

In contrast, as soon as he took office, President Biden set out to support and extend U.S. alliances and partnerships. While that principle shows in the international support for today’s strike on the Houthis, it has also been central in the administration’s response to Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine, managing migration, supporting African development, building the Indo-Pacific, and reacting to the Middle East crisis in general.

Today, Secretary of State Blinken finished a week-long trip to Türkiye, Greece, Jordan, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Israel, the West Bank, Bahrain, and Egypt, where he met with leaders and reaffirmed “the U.S. commitment to working with partners to set the conditions necessary for peace in the Middle East, which includes comprehensive, tangible steps toward the realization of a future Palestinian state alongside the State of Israel, with both living in peace and security.”

hcr
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2024 04:41 am
@Lash,
That doesn't make any sense.

If what you are saying were true then Yemen would have been bombed yesterday when South Africa was making its case, not today when Israel is responding.

One of the central parts of their response is a graphic description of rapes and mutilations perpetrated by Hamas.

Why would the UK/US want its citizens not to hear that?

You need to stop responding without thinking.

If what you're saying can be easily dismissed, and a lot of what you're saying can be, then don't expect anything you say to have any traction.

You could even be damaging the Palestinian cause.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2024 04:42 am
The bombing of Yemen was on the cards, Sunak said as much yesterday.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2024 05:19 am
Quote:
Scotland’s first minister Humza Yousaf is calling for parliament to be recalled to discuss the UK action in Yemen.

Yousaf said it was “pretty frustrating” that he was not briefed in advance of the UK and US strikes carried out last night.

He said there was “no equivocation” that the SNP aligns itself with the UN security council resolution calling for an end to Houthi rebel attacks in the Red Sea but that the UK’s record of military intervention in Middle East “is not a good one”.

“The correct and appropriate thing to have done would have been to have recalled parliament to have given serious detail about any proposed military action because there are significant questions.”

He said that, despite the UK insisting that this has nothing to do with the conflict between Israel and Gaza “that is a complete fallacy and the concern is that there will be a wider regional escalation because of the action taken.”

“My concern also is that we see thousands of children are dying in Gaza, and I just wish the UK government would care as much about those children that are dying.”



https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jan/12/middle-east-crisis-live-updates-yemen-houthi-rebels-joe-biden-us-uk-airtstrikes-red-sea-crisis-israel-gaza-war
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2024 05:38 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Well, what network is that, Walter?
And did they use the live FEED of the proceedings or show clips and then give their spin of events?
That's UN Web tv, the only possible live feed.
Walter Hinteler wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/zM0Z6bxm.png

I'd thought, you watched and relied on it.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2024 05:47 am
At least Biden had the balls to announce the strike.

Sunak slunk off to the Ukraine to avoid the ramifications from that and his disastrous Rwanda plan.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2024 06:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
As expected, Israel rejected as false and "grossly distorted" accusations brought by South Africa at the U.N.'s top court that its military operation in Gaza is a state-led genocide campaign against the Palestinian population.

It called on judges to dismiss South Africa's request to halt its offensive, saying to do so would leave it defenceless.

Israel argued the court has no jurisdiction under the Genocide Convention to order it to halt its military actions in Gaza since it is no genocide as defined there.

The court is expected to rule on possible emergency measures later this month but will not rule at that time on the genocide allegations.
Those proceedings will take years. The ICJ's decisions are final and without appeal, but the court has no way to enforce them.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2024 06:50 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
I'd thought, you watched and relied on it.


There you go again, Walter, interjecting fact into her whole-cloth narrative.

She's gone from discussing points to false accusations. I am shocked the discussion version of Lash lasted as long as it did.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2024 06:56 am
@izzythepush,
Humza Yousaf doesn't understand the nature of military operations. I thought UK and the US telegraphed their punches too much as it was.

There is no linkage between the decades of civil war in Yemen and the atrocity that is the IDF is perpetrating in Gaza. The Houthi are rapidly becoming pirate mercenaries for Iran.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2024 07:16 am
@bobsal u1553115,
At the very least the Scottish 1st minister should have been informed.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2024 07:16 am
@izzythepush,
Many people (and I) expected a ‘defense’ of hearsay and pathos. I thought it might be so poor of a defense against an accusation of genocide, they might want to distract from it.

Makes perfect sense to me.
 

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