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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2023 01:16 pm
@hightor,
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And I don't recall seeing anyone in the Biden administration "blessing" anything.

Well let's see. Exactly who used their veto power at the UNSC to allow the for the continuation of Israel's war crimes?
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2023 01:20 pm
@hightor,
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Re: blatham (Post 7344975)
I think somebody said something very similar around 1:34 in the above video!

The lady in that video and Somebody are exactly the same just as the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are exactly the same.
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PoshSpice
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2023 02:44 pm
@Real Music,
Here’s one example:

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&mem=Y&recipdetail=S

Senator, State & Amount Received from Pro-Israel PACs
Biden, Joe (D) $4,346,264
Menendez, Robert (D-NJ) New Jersey $2,483,205
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) New York $2,358,112
Kirk, Mark (R-IL) Illinois $2,294,469
Lieberman, Joe (D-CT) Connecticut $1,996,274
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) Kentucky $1,953,160
Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) New York $1,725,324
McCain, John (R-AZ) Arizona $1,491,366
Cruz, Ted (R-TX) Texas $1,299,194
Wyden, Ron (D-OR) Oregon $1,279,376
Levin, Carl (D-MI) Michigan $1,245,913
Perdue, David (R-GA) Georgia $1,136,541
Durbin, Dick (D-IL) Illinois $1,126,020

You’ll note that Ds & Rs are happy to work for Israel. I wish they’d work as hard for the American people.

That’s A LOT of money from a foreign government.
I thought there was a law against that.
PoshSpice
 
  0  
Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2023 02:52 pm
$4 million to Joe Biden—who’s now cloaking his benefactor in a genocide.

Notable, wouldn’t you say?
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hightor
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2023 03:00 pm
@Glennn,
Yeah, we all heard Joe say, "Good job, Bibi, keep committing war crimes – you're doing the Lord's work." Realistically, do you think the IDF would stop fighting because of a UN resolution? Would Hamas? I doubt that even the suspension of military aid would have much effect as Israel is a well-armed country capable of manufacturing powerful bombs. It's not exactly a high-tech conflict. And remember, the US gave Israel a perpetual green light for this sort of action decades ago by propping it up militarily and diplomatically. Making a public about face which wouldn't change the course of the conflict or Israel's objectives would look like too little, too late, an attempt to shore up some domestic support and influence world opinion – with little likelihood of success.

I see no decent solution which doesn't involve a fantasy calendar. Either turning it back and avoiding the rise of Hamas, probably by dealing with an entity other than the PLO, maybe Marwan Hasib Ibrahim Barghouti. Or flipping it forward to a future Israel not under the direction of right-wing ultranationalists.

The die was cast when Hamas invaded and triggered the inevitable response. Can you see any other leader, of any other state, not responding militarily? And given the physical reality of a small territory with two million civilian inhabitants who have nowhere to go and a fighting force of desperate men willing to die, do you see any way that a disaster wouldn't have occurred?


PoshSpice
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2023 03:43 pm
@Glennn,
Gee Glenn, I didn’t even look for this. It popped up on my Twitter feed.

Every time I think it can’t get worse…

https://www.commondreams.org/news/us-geneva-conventions

In part:

US Quietly Working to Prevent Conference on Geneva Convention Violations
Biden administration officials are reportedly aiming to convince Switzerland to reject calls for a conference focused on alleged violations by Israel and Hamas
.

JAKE JOHNSON
Dec 21, 2023

The Biden administration is reportedly working to prevent the Swiss government from holding a conference on alleged Geneva Convention violations by both the Israeli government and Hamas, a private pressure campaign that comes as the U.S. is obstructing U.N. Security Council efforts to address the spiraling humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza.

HuffPost's Akbar Shahid Ahmed reported Wednesday that Palestinian diplomats and a number of U.N. member nations—including some U.S. allies—are "preparing a call for Switzerland to launch such a conference focused on the fighting in Israel-Palestine that would cover Geneva Conventions violations by all parties."

Beatrice Fihn, director of the Geneva-based organization Lex International, said she has heard that more than 60 countries have signed a letter urging the Swiss government to convene a conference on the Geneva Conventions. Norway is among the signatories.

Fihn called the initiative an "important effort" to make clear that "there are laws of war that need to be upheld."

Officials at the U.S. State Department are hoping to convince Switzerland to reject the call, which is backed by prominent human rights organizations including Amnesty International.
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thack45
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2023 04:10 pm
@PoshSpice,
PoshSpice wrote:

Here’s one example:

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&mem=Y&recipdetail=S

Senator, State & Amount Received from Pro-Israel PACs
Biden, Joe (D) $4,346,264
Menendez, Robert (D-NJ) New Jersey $2,483,205
Clinton, Hillary (D-NY) New York $2,358,112
Kirk, Mark (R-IL) Illinois $2,294,469
Lieberman, Joe (D-CT) Connecticut $1,996,274
McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) Kentucky $1,953,160
Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) New York $1,725,324
McCain, John (R-AZ) Arizona $1,491,366
Cruz, Ted (R-TX) Texas $1,299,194
Wyden, Ron (D-OR) Oregon $1,279,376
Levin, Carl (D-MI) Michigan $1,245,913
Perdue, David (R-GA) Georgia $1,136,541
Durbin, Dick (D-IL) Illinois $1,126,020

You’ll note that Ds & Rs are happy to work for Israel. I wish they’d work as hard for the American people.

That’s A LOT of money from a foreign government.
I thought there was a law against that.




What is noteworthy is that these donation figures are from 1990-2024, and it looks like a couple centuries worth of politickin' in there, with numerous presidential/nominee campaigns. Also I don't think US political action committees are regarded legally as foreign governments.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2023 04:11 pm
@PoshSpice,
I have never made any post on the subject or topic of Israel/Palestine/Gaza
And I still have never made any post on the subject of Israel/Palestine/Gaza
I have no intention on posting anything related to the topic of Israel/Palestine/Gaza
I haven't really been paying that much attention to that particular topic.
I focus my attention on various subjects and topics, it's just that particular topic or subject isn't one of those topics.

My response to you was in response to your response to a single line.
It's my error for not being specific. My response was not made in a vacuum.
Some background behind my response stems from your long history of asserting that the democrats and republicans are exactly the same and claims of there being no difference between the two parties. The background of my response helps explain my response to these particular lines. I just want to put some context to my response. The following is a chronology of what I was responding to. And the blue highlighted lines are the only lines I was commenting on. At no point was commenting on anything related to the topic Israel/Palestine/Gaza


izzythepush wrote to: PoshSpice (Sun 24 Dec, 2023 08:39 am)
That's the difference between expressed and implied communication.
I wanted to leave no doubt
As for Oligarchs, the mega rich have always supported the right.
My problem with Biden begins and ends with his stance on Israel.


PoshSpice wrote to izzythepush (Sun 24 Dec, 2023 08:57 am)
In the US, both parties are working for the same people.


Real Music wrote to: PoshSpice (Sun 24 Dec, 2023 10:27 am)
1. False equivalence is a type of logical fallacy in which a person attempts to draw an equivalence between two things based on the presence of a few shared features when those two things are not alike in the relevant respects.
2. Comparing a boulder to a pebble is a great illustration of this fallacy. Although both are rocks, they differ significantly in size, weight, and other properties.
3. Comparing them as if they were equivalent would be a false equivalence.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2023 06:42 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Yeah, we all heard Joe say, "Good job, Bibi, keep committing war crimes – you're doing the Lord's work."

I guess your point is that, until joe says exactly that--or something equally disturbing--you view his decision to veto a resolution to put a stop to the murder of the Palestinians and the razing of their land as benign. But no. joe wants to help out with with munitions and such . . .
Quote:
And remember, the US gave Israel a perpetual green light for this sort of action decades ago by propping it up militarily and diplomatically.

Yeah, and it was just as dysfunctional then as it is now.
Quote:
Realistically, do you think the IDF would stop fighting because of a UN resolution?

That's neither here nor there. It doesn't answer the question of why the biden administration would block an initiative (UNSCR) to put a stop to the continuation of war crimes against innocent Palestinians?
Quote:
I doubt that even the suspension of military aid would have much effect as Israel is a well-armed country capable of manufacturing powerful bombs.

Well then we're all going to have to come up with another way to stop the war crimes. People are starving.
Quote:
And given the physical reality of a small territory with two million civilian inhabitants who have nowhere to go and a fighting force of desperate men willing to die, do you see any way that a disaster wouldn't have occurred?

Israel, too, saw that there was no way that a war crime wouldn't occur. Good point.

Yeah, the people of Gaza have nowhere to go. Israel has enforced that for the longest time. Everyone knows that. You'll have to explain how that excuses Israel's war crimes against the people of Palestine. If you invade a territory in retaliation for an attack, and you claim that there's a terrorist in every house, and munitions in every school, I guess that means you can decimate the whole place--including the people--because the enemy is in every house, and munitions in every school, church, or hospital.
hightor
 
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Reply Sun 24 Dec, 2023 09:31 pm
@Glennn,
Quote:
It doesn't answer the question of why the biden administration would block an initiative (UNSCR) to put a stop to the continuation of war crimes against innocent Palestinians?

Who can answer this question? Wouldn't you really have to find out from people within, or at least very familiar with, the Biden administration itself? There could be many reasons and they could work against each other. The two countries have historically had close military and diplomatic ties – could that be part of the answer? Or maybe it might have something to do with the reluctance of the US to accede to the terms of the UNSCR – something about tying Israel's hands? And consider as well how many instances of "collateral damage" have been executed by the USA in its many incursions and imperial expeditions – maybe the US doesn't want to see an international legal precedent established? Hell, it's possible that the Netanyahu government has possession of a laptop that belonged to Hunter Biden that's filled with accounts of embarrassing and incriminating behavior by the Biden crime family and the Big Guy's being blackmailed – your guess is as good as mine – or, I hope, better. Because I'd like to know myself.
Quote:
Well then we're all going to have to come up with another way to stop the war crimes.

Probably you'd have to convince a majority of congressional representatives and their leadership to make some kind of motion to withhold funds or start a hostile investigation or something. That's how it's usually done. But the president might have some compelling argument which invokes "national security" or maybe he informs key senators about some secret operation concerning Iran that the administration wants to keep under wraps for a while. It might take a long time to come up with another way and I'm pretty sure it would need to go through Congress at some point.
Quote:
You'll have to explain how that excuses Israel's war crimes against the people of Palestine.

Again, what makes you think anyone can "explain" it? And if someone could explain it, what would you do with that knowledge? Pick through the rubble yelling, "Listen up everyone! – exclusive! – here's an explanation that excuses Israel's war crimes against the people of Palestine!" How would that feed people? How would that open the hospitals?
Quote:
If you invade a territory in retaliation for an attack...

Or, if you attack a country, kill over a thousand civilians, and retreat to a densely-populated territory, it will be very difficult for the attacked nation to retaliate without inflicting heavy civilian casualties and incurring international wrath, and you have achieved a measure of impunity.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2023 12:45 am
It's 10:45 my time here on Dec 24 and I just want to wish everybody (and I do mean everybody) a Merry Christmas or Merry Whatever.
hightor
 
  3  
Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2023 04:44 am
@blatham,
Thanks Bernie. Last night's Whatever was very nice and we enjoyed a sumptuous venison daube with fresh spinach from the garden, a butternut squash galette, and a delicious strawberry chocolate trifle. Now it's back to gruel and maybe a few crusts of stale bread washed down with "Adam's Ale".
izzythepush
 
  1  
Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2023 05:37 am
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:

I have never made any post on the subject or topic of Israel/Palestine/Gaza
And I still have never made any post on the subject of Israel/Palestine/Gaza
I have no intention on posting anything related to the topic of Israel/Palestine/Gaza



I appreciate what you'tre saying, but things don't happen in a vacuum, and Gaza is having an impact domestically. This is the article I mentioned earlier in full.

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It was a messy compromise. On Friday, after a week of wrangling, the United Nations security council (UNSC) staggered across the finish line, approving a watered-down bid to boost aid to Gaza and calling for urgent steps “to create the conditions for a sustainable cessation of hostilities”.

The US, a staunch ally of Israel, abstained to allow the 15-member council to adopt the resolution. Joe Biden’s allies will claim that it represents progress of sorts. But it will have little impact on the unfolding humanitarian catastrophe as Israel’s bombardment continues.

And to get even there, the president gave the impression of a man being dragged to the dentist for a root canal.

Like America after 9/11, Israel has squandered much global goodwill following the 7 October terrorist attack in which 1,200 people were killed and 240 taken hostage.

There is instead global outrage over its ruthlessly imprecise prosecution of the war. The death toll in Gaza now stands at 20,000. Most people have been driven from their homes. The World Food Programme says half of Gaza’s population is starving.

“While it is clear that Israel has the absolute right to respond militarily against a brutal terrorist attack, it is also clear that [Benjamin] Netanyahu’s rightwing, extremist government is waging that war in a deeply reckless and immoral way,” US senator Bernie Sanders said in a floor speech this week. “A just cause for war does not excuse atrocities in the conduct of that war.”

Yet by wielding the threat of a veto, Washington forced days of vote delays and negotiations at the UNSC.

It objected to an initial draft that called for “an urgent and sustainable cessation of hostilities”. It also ensured that the resolution does not end Israel’s control over all aid deliveries to 2.3 million people in Gaza.

The US continues to oppose a ceasefire, contending that it would only benefit Hamas. Earlier this month the 193-member UN general assembly demanded a humanitarian ceasefire, with 153 states voting in favour of a move that had been vetoed by the US in the security council days earlier.

Critics say Biden, praised for the empathy he displayed during the global pandemic in 2020, has certain blind spots.

He seemed strangely disconnected regarding the plight of Afghan civilians after America’s botched withdrawal. He questioned the reliability of the Palestinian death toll while failing to capture the emotional weight of dying children.

His grudging, inch-by-inch concessions over the latest resolution should come as no surprise given his lifelong faith in Israel and its right to defend itself – seemingly at any cost.

He has described himself “a Zionist in my heart” and told how his father impressed on him the value of establishing the Jewish homeland in the aftermath of the Holocaust.

Biden has met every Israeli prime minister over more than half a century in elected office, starting with Golda Meir in 1973. As they were posing for a photo after their meeting, Biden often recalls, she whispered to him that Israel had a “secret weapon” to protect them — “we have no place else to go”.

Less well known is an anecdote related by prime minister Menachem Begin, who in 1982 was grilled by the Senate foreign relations committee in Washington about Israel’s allegedly disproportionate use of force in Lebanon.

The Times of Israel reported in 2020: “‘A young senator rose and delivered a very impassioned speech – I must say that it’s been a while since I’ve heard such a talented speaker – and he actually supported Operation Peace for the Galilee,” Begin told Israeli reporters after he returned to Jerusalem.

“The senator – Biden – said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.

“I disassociated myself from these remarks,” Begin said. “I said to him: ‘No, sir; attention must be paid. According to our values, it is forbidden to hurt women and children, even in war … sometimes there are casualties among the civilian population as well. But it is forbidden to aspire to this. This is a yardstick of human civilization, not to hurt civilians.’”

From 1990 to the present, Biden was the Senate’s biggest ever recipient of donations from pro-Israeli groups with more than $4m, according to the Open Secrets database, well ahead of fellow Democrats Robert Menendez and Hillary Clinton at just under $2.5m each. In the aftermath of the 7 October attacks, all his empathy was on display and he has since urged Congress to send Israel $14bn in military aid.

Aaron David Miller, a former state department analyst, negotiator and adviser on Middle East issues, says: “Alone among modern American presidents, his bond and/ or experience with Israel is unique. His preternatural support was guaranteed. It’s his default position to accommodate, not to confront.

“I don’t think you can underestimate the impact on him emotionally and personally of the brutality and savagery of October 7 and the hostage situation.”

The US position has evolved in response to the exponential increase of Palestinian deaths and the growing humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Washington is now pressing Israel to find different ways to prosecute the war to minimise casualties and create corridors for humanitarian aid, as well as to plan for the long term.

But Miller, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, adds: “If the president were on this call, he would say we wouldn’t even be having this conversation if it wasn’t for October 7 and, while I understand that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict didn’t begin on October 7, it reached a new level of brutality and violence that we had not witnessed, and that’s on Hamas.

“All of this reinforces the president’s disposition. [The Biden administration] wants to see a fundamental change in the pictures and the ground campaign in Gaza in January.

“The deeper you get into the spring without that happening, the more they’re going to be very concerned about the impact this could have on the president politically.”

Indeed, for all Biden’s pro-Israel instincts, the countervailing forces include his own political survival heading into likely rematch with Donald Trump in next year’s presidential election.

Nearly three quarters of voters aged between 18 and 29 disapprove of the way Biden is handling the conflict in Gaza, according to New York Times/Siena College poll.

Come November, some might be tempted by the clarity of a pro-ceasefire candidate like Cornel West or simply not vote at all. Biden has often managed to hover somewhere in the middle of the Democratic party: when it moved left, he went with it.

As more Democrats shift in favour of a ceasefire and imposing conditions on military aid, the president may find himself not leading but following.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/22/joe-bidens-reluctance-to-call-for-ceasefire-may-leave-him-at-odds-with-his-party
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2023 05:46 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

It's 10:45 my time here on Dec 24 and I just want to wish everybody (and I do mean everybody) a Merry Christmas or Merry Whatever.


Back atcha, my friend.

I'm gonna make mine (and Nancy's) as merry as possible...which usually just means spiking the eggnog a bit heavy...and double dosing on the NFL games.
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2023 05:49 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Thanks Bernie. Last night's Whatever was very nice and we enjoyed a sumptuous venison daube with fresh spinach from the garden, a butternut squash galette, and a delicious strawberry chocolate trifle. Now it's back to gruel and maybe a few crusts of stale bread washed down with "Adam's Ale".


I had a craving for spinich last night, but had neglected to buy any when I picked up the few things I still needed. I love it with olive oil that has been infused with a bit of garlic...and a few red pepper seeds.

Hummm..."venison daube." I gotta think about that.
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Glennn
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2023 07:05 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Who can answer this question? Wouldn't you really have to find out from people within, or at least very familiar with, the Biden administration itself?

Well, for starters, I'd say that the biden administration blocks United Nations Security Council Resolutions to stop the war crimes against the Palestinians because they don't want them to stop. And we have biden's unconditional approval of, and material support for, the war crimes to prove it. That's dysfunctional in anyone's book. Maybe the fact that biden identifies as a zionist has something to do with it . . .

Plus there's Gaza's gas and oil fields. Do we really have to wonder?
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Hell, it's possible that the Netanyahu government has possession of a laptop that belonged to Hunter Biden that's filled with accounts of embarrassing and incriminating behavior by the Biden crime family and the Big Guy's being blackmailed

Yeah, that would be right in line with their characters. Sacrificing human beings to save face.
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But the president might have some compelling argument which invokes "national security" or maybe he informs key senators about some secret operation concerning Iran that . . .

A secret operation that includes starving Palestinians and allowing for the their removal from their land? That's called aiding and abetting in war crimes, but such is biden's loyalty to the war criminals.
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Or, if you attack a country, kill over a thousand civilians, and retreat to a densely-populated territory, it will be very difficult for the attacked nation to retaliate without inflicting heavy civilian casualties and incurring international wrath

Yeah, but when retaliation amounts to war crimes against an innocent population, it's no longer retaliation; it's war crimes! They're starving people to death.
hightor
 
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Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2023 08:16 am
@Glennn,
It's good that you can elucidate the situation as you see it. I think your presentation is more effective when you just state your opinion rather than trying to wheedle affirming positions from others .
Quote:
Sacrificing human beings to save face.

Hardly unprecedented. 55,000 of my fellow GIs and over a million civilians in Vietnam, maybe a quarter million civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. Other examples – the behavior of the corporate petrochemical giants in covering up the consequences of greenhouse gases emissions over the past thirty years. Big tobacco suppressing the deleterious health effects of smoking. Saving face = covering your (corporate) ass!

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A secret operation that includes starving Palestinians and allowing for the their removal from their land?

It wouldn't be that surprising. The consequences of the secret Manhattan project were spectacularly worse and have persisted for nearly eighty years.

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...it's no longer retaliation; it's war crimes!

As with the "genocide" label, I think whether this amounts to "war crimes" would have to be adjudicated, although we're free to refer to it as we wish. (Personally, I believe the bar is set way too high and nearly all acts of war are criminal.) As I mentioned, your best bet to end the conflict would be through political activity and it will be slow. But Netanyahu's predicting a long battle. Either his government or our own may be replaced before it's over. Or maybe an effective aid plan will be put in place to feed the hungry and you can contribute to the participating international relief agencies.
hightor
 
  2  
Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2023 08:25 am
These are great people:

Republicans Declare Banning Universal Free School Meals a 2024 Priority

As states across the country move to make sure students are well fed, Republicans have announced their intention to fight back.

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States across the country are moving to provide universal free school meals to all our children. Meanwhile, Republicans are trying to stop them from doing just that.

The Republican Study Committee (of which some three-quarters of House Republicans are members) on Wednesday released its desired 2024 budget, in which the party boldly declares its priority to eliminate the Community Eligibility Provision, or CEP, from the School Lunch Program. Why? Because “CEP allows certain schools to provide free school lunches regardless of the individual eligibility of each student.”

The horror.

Of note is that the CEP is not even something every school participates in; it is a meal service program reserved for qualifying schools and districts in low-income areas. The program enables schools that predominantly serve children from low-income backgrounds to offer all students free breakfast and lunch, instead of means-testing them and having to manage collecting applications on an individual basis. As with many universal-oriented programs, it is more practically efficient and, as a bonus, lifts all boats. This is what Republicans are looking to eliminate.

It’s the kind of provision that many would want every school to participate in. Why not guarantee all our children are well fed as they learn and think about our world and their place in it, after all?

But indeed, as California, Colorado, Maine, Minnesota, New Mexico, and as of this week, Vermont, all move to provide universal free school meals in one form or another—and at least another 21 states consider similar moves—Republicans are trying to whittle down avenues to accomplish that goal.

Along with trying to stop schools from giving all their students free meals, the proposed 2024 Republican budget includes efforts to:

• cut Social Security and Medicare
• make Trump’s tax cuts for the top 1 percent permanent
• impose work requirements on “all federal benefit programs,” like food stamps and Medicare
• extend work requirements on those aged 55–64
• bring back all of twice-impeached and twice-arrested former President Donald Trump’s deregulations, including the weakening of environmental protection.

And that’s just a taste of their hopes and dreams. But don’t mistake it all as just wish-casting: “The RSC Budget is more than just a financial statement. It is a statement of priorities,” the party assures in the document.

tnr
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Glennn
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2023 08:53 am
@hightor,
Quote:
I think your presentation would be more effective if you just stated your opinion rather than trying to wheedle affirming positions from others .

My opinion is that Israel, with the unconditional support of the biden administration, is now starving human beings, destroying their homes and land, and killing innocent human beings en masse. But actually, that's not my opinion; it's the provable facts. If you don't want to admit that Israel is committing war crimes, that would be an opinion not supported by the facts.
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I think whether this amounts to "war crimes" would have to be adjudicated

When innocent Gazans are buried in the rubble, killed en masse (mostly women and children), deliberately starved, and their homes destroyed, that's a war crime. When the biden administration approves of those war crimes, that makes them accomplices to war crimes no matter how much anyone would wish to paint it otherwise.

So, if you have nothing that changes the definition of "war crime," then the facts stand. Israel is committing war crimes at this moment, and the biden administration is using their veto power to allow for the continuation of those war crimes.

Some people seem to think that an investigation is necessary to verify that tens of thousands of innocent people are being killed while hundreds of thousands are being starved, and their homes destroyed. But that would only prolong the killing and suffering of human beings.

That's my point. If you rebut any of it, I'm going to consider your rebuttal and then comment on it.
hightor
 
  1  
Reply Mon 25 Dec, 2023 10:17 am
@Glennn,
Quote:
Some people seem to think that an investigation is necessary to verify that tens of thousands of innocent people are being killed while hundreds of thousands are being starved, and their homes destroyed.

An official investigation and subsequent judgment precede a declaration of guilt or innocence. People can hold their own opinions, to be sure, but a formal finding simply has more weight and credibility. Of course others will dispute the fairness of the reviewing panel or claim that it's biased. Architects of the Vietnam war and people like Kissinger remained unaccountable for their policies even though many of us believed them to be guilty of war crimes.
 

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