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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:10 pm
@longjon,
You're on the wrong side of History.

Get an education, it seems it's badly needed.
longjon
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:13 pm
@neptuneblue,
Why does it please you so to lie? Were you raised in a two parent household?
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:15 pm
@longjon,
Please provide two citations proving Boehner worked with Obama.
longjon
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:18 pm
@neptuneblue,
Can you provide evidence that Obama isn't running the White House right now?

If you can't, then by your logic it makes that so.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:21 pm
@longjon,
And this is why liars muddle up things.
longjon
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:22 pm
@neptuneblue,
So stop lying.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:32 pm
@longjon,
I'm not lying. I'll go first. Then YOU provide two citations proving Boehner worked with Obama.

Conservatives Hated Boehner Because He Couldn’t Get Rid of Obama
By Jonathan Chait

If you peered carefully between the lines, you could find subtle clues that John Boehner did not fully adore what his job had become. For instance, in an interview last week with Jake Sherman, the House speaker said, “Garbage men get used to the smell of bad garbage. Prisoners learn how to become prisoners, all right?” Boehner’s life as speaker was an endless, repetitive succession of fighting off coup attempts and ending or preventing shutdowns, punctuated by occasional bouts of crying. Why Boehner would cling to this role when he could leave at any moment for an extravagantly remunerative lobbying gig was hard to understand.

To understand the pressures that brought about Boehner’s demise as an ideological split badly misconstrues the situation. The small band of right-wing noisemakers in the House who made Boehner’s existence a living hell could not identify any important substantive disagreements with the object of their wrath. (The one exception to this is Boehner’s brief, aborted 2011 attempt to craft a long-term debt deal with the Obama administration, which he abandoned under pressure from Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor.) The source of the disagreement was tactical, not philosophical. Boehner’s tormentors refused to accept the limits of his political power.

This was the proximate source of the struggle that appears to have finally sapped Boehner’s will (or ability) to cling to his title. The usual band of irreconcilables in the House have recently demanded that Republicans shut down the federal government to force President Obama to agree to zero out funding for Planned Parenthood. Boehner and the party leadership have resisted not because they agree with funding Planned Parenthood, but because this tactic has no chance of success. The irreconcilables have tried to pressure him into yet another futile gesture by openly threatening, once again, to depose him.

Boehner has never supported any important aspect of the Obama agenda. Even at the outset of the Obama administration, with the president soaring in the polls and the economy plunging into the abyss, he rallied his entire party to withhold support from the stimulus and never seriously considered negotiating. He not only voted against Obamacare, but he repeatedly punctuated his speech denouncing it with shouts of “hell no!” The positive “accomplishments” of the Boehner Era were limited to avoiding a series of brinksmanship-induced catastrophes. The limits of conservative power extended to the ability to block all legislative progress or compromise. Boehner successfully delivered that. He even joined in several creative efforts to expand his institution’s power by using threats of shutdowns or debt-ceiling crises to coerce Obama into enacting portions of the Republican agenda, giving up only when Obama had beaten him back repeatedly.

It was not enough. Three quarters of Republicans believe, incredibly, that their party leadership has not done enough to oppose Obama. Three fifths feel “betrayed” by their party. “In the last seven years Barack Obama has successfully recruited, or corrupted, or hijacked — however you want to describe it — John Roberts of the Supreme Court; John Boehner, speaker of the House; Mitch McConnell, Republican leader in the Senate; and, some might even say, the pope,” ranted Rush Limbaugh the other day.

This discontent runs much deeper and wider than Boehner. It has driven much of the support for Donald Trump, whose “conservatism” rests in his affect, radiating power and contempt for Obama, rather than in his policies, which actually lie to the left of the party platform overall. Boehner had the misfortune of leading, or attempting to lead, his party in an era when it had run up to the limits of crazy, where the only unexplored frontiers of extremism lay beyond the reach of its Constitutional powers.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2015/09/conservatives-hated-boehner-because-of-obama.html


The GOP's no-compromise pledge
By ANDY BARR 10/28/2010 08:09 AM EDT


If Republicans take the House as anticipated on election night, voters can expect to hear the customary talk about coming together with Democrats for the good of the country.

President Barack Obama inevitably will extend a hand across the aisle as well.

But that’s Tuesday. Right now, the tone is a lot different — with Republicans pledging to embrace an agenda for the next two years that sounds a lot like their agenda for the past two: Block Obama at all costs.

And even Obama’s pre-election appeals to cooperation are wrapped in an I’m-still-the-president tone that suggests that Americans will be looking at two opposing camps glaring at each other across the barricades — gridlock all around.

Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

Obama frequently reminds voters he believes all the delay in Washington this year is the Republicans’ fault.

“So I hope that my friends on the other side of the aisle are going to change their minds going forward, because putting the American people back to work, boosting our small businesses, rebuilding the economic security of the middle class, these are big national challenges. And we’ve all got a stake in solving them. And it’s not going to be enough just to play politics. You can’t just focus on the next election. You’ve got to focus on the next generation,” Obama said a recent event in Rhode Island.

It is popular to compare 2010 with 1994. Pundits point to a rejection of an overreaching Democratic president, a swing of moderate and independent voters to Republican ranks and a grass-roots groundswell that brings dozens of new faces to Washington.

But the second part of the prediction foresees that Obama will moderate his goals, Republicans will cool their tone and Washington will be able to responsibly address major issues.

Republicans are sounding like they’re not interested in that part.

To be sure, some of this is political trash-talk, each side trying to stoke up its partisans in the closing hours of the election. Republicans have premised much of their whole campaign on one idea — stop Obama — and it’s put them on the cusp of taking the House and scoring big gains in the Senate, so there’s no reason to quit now.

But veterans of the 1994 takeover are advising both Obama and the GOP to work together over the next two years, arguing that the strategy benefits both sides political and legislatively.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich advised Obama to consult with former President Bill Clinton on how to productively operate with Republicans. Gingrich led a budget fight that culminated in a government shutdown in 1995, but the two sides later were able to pass welfare reform legislation and other compromise measures.

“It was painful, it was difficult, and President Clinton did a tremendous job on working with us on balancing the budget and cutting taxes,” Gingrich said on CNN this week.

Obama “has an enormous opportunity to be in charge if he listens carefully to the American people and if he operates in the framework of what they want,” Gingrich added.

But if Obama’s listening to Republican leadership, he’d hear that he’s not wanted.

“To the extent the president wants to work with us, in terms of our goals, we'd welcome his involvement,” Boehner told Hannity.

“There will be no compromise on stopping runaway spending, deficits and debt. There will be no compromise on repealing Obamacare,” said Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) in an interview last week on conservative Hugh Hewitt’s radio show.

“There will be no compromise on stopping Democrats from growing government and raising taxes,” added Pence, who may leave the House GOP leadership to prepare for a presidential run.

And many of the potential incoming Republicans have stated that they wouldn’t budge in trying to meet Democrats halfway.

“When it comes to spending, I'm not compromising. I don't care who, what, when or where, I'm not compromising,” Ken Buck, the Republican Senate nominee in Colorado, told The Washington Post.

The White House has indicated that it is willing to reach out to the GOP following the election, though Republicans would contend that its track record suggests otherwise.

“I think we're open to speaking to the Republicans, if they really mean it, if they're talking about deficit reduction, if they're willing to move,” Vice President Joe Biden said recently.

Polls show that both parties would be wise to reach out.

A Bloomberg poll out Thursday shows that 80 percent of likely voters want the two parties to work together over the next two years.

And a new New York Times/CBS News poll showed that 69 percent of the public wants to see Obama compromise with Republicans and 72 percent wants congressional Democrats to work with Republicans.

Voters were split however when asked if they wanted to see Republicans work with Obama and congressional Democrats. Forty-six percent want to see Republicans work with Democrats, while 45 percent do not.
https://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311

Your turn.


longjon
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:39 pm
@neptuneblue,
I don't see any evidence in what you posted that proves that Obama isn't currently running the White House, or that you're not a liar.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:40 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
Apparently reading skills are not your forte.

Wrong. I am quite good at reading. You are the one with substandard abilities here.


neptuneblue wrote:
Nor are you correct in any way.

Wrong again.

But look. My posts are not meant for people with your lack of ability. It's OK if you skip over them without responding.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:41 pm
@longjon,
LMFAO!

Another poser!

Great...
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:42 pm
@oralloy,
Oh heavens no. I look forward to making sure you know you're wrong.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:42 pm
@longjon,
longjon wrote:
I think you have won this thread.

Facts and reality defeat progressivism every time.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:44 pm
@longjon,
longjon wrote:
Admitting that you're wrong would show maturity.

Progressives don't do maturity. If they did, they wouldn't be progressives in the first place.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:45 pm
@oralloy,
You don't portray a sense of honesty or integrity, so it's all equal.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:46 pm
@neptuneblue,
You shouldn't falsely accuse your betters of your own lack of honor.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:50 pm
@oralloy,
You're not better than me. Just a loud mouth with nowhere to go...
BillW
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:52 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

You don't portray a sense of honesty or integrity, so it's all equal.

Ask him about his "friends" - cjhsa and coldjoint!
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:53 pm
@neptuneblue,
The only person who is wrong here is you.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:54 pm
@neptuneblue,
Wrong. I am your mental superior.

You are also the only loudmouth here. The more wrong you are, the louder you get.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2021 08:55 pm
@oralloy,
Cite two examples of Boehner honestly working with Obama.
 

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