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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
snood
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2023 02:21 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Someone might just ignore it but open another Pandora's box.


Yup, that’s the gist. Ignore her first pile of ****, and stir up another one. Just completely ignore the debunking of her asinine conspiracy theories about the assault, and go directly into sparring with some straw man that supposedly has people making a point of the attacker being right wing.

It’s almost like the goal is to stir up mindless contention… you know, hate- monger.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2023 02:29 pm
There’s actually only one conspiracy theory: Democrats are evil
Everything else — the attack on Paul Pelosi, the stolen election, the "deep state" targeting Donald Trump — is just a variation.

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There was one predictable, though certainly not universal, response to the release of footage showing the assault on the husband of Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.): that the gruesome snippet of police body-cam video bolstered ongoing, baseless conspiracy theories about that event rather than quite obviously dismantling them.

This is the nature of conspiracy theories, after all. Like a stream of water encountering an obstacle, they reroute, using whatever happens to be available to keep pressing forward. After all, it’s that movement that’s the point. It’s not the water itself or the route that matters. It’s the ability to point to it as a flowing, living stream because that stream invariably is used as evidence for something else. The conspiracy theory isn’t about the incident, it’s about how the incident bolsters some larger viewpoint or concept.

And for those making baseless claims about the Pelosi attack, that larger viewpoint is the same as the one that so many recent conspiracy theories have been crafted to serve: that Democrats are evil.
[... ... ...]
The Pelosi attack conspiracy theories similarly comport with this theme. It’s not worth getting into the specifics of the claims that quickly emerged following news of the assault, much less adjudicating them. The release of the body-cam footage makes very clear that what was described as happening is what actually happened. But even in the first minutes after it came out, there was an effort to identify anomalies in the video that might allow observers to cast suspicion on Pelosi and not his attacker — since Pelosi, by virtue of being a Pelosi, should be assumed by these parties to have been acting nefariously. That the attacker espoused right-wing rhetoric no doubt contributed to the effort to instead center questions on Pelosi.

The most extreme version of this idea is the most explicit: QAnon. It holds, in most formulations, that there is a devious cabal of evil actors — Democratic leaders, Hollywood elites (a.k.a. liberal Democrats) and the media (a.k.a. liberal Democrats) — that are conspiring together, perhaps to abuse children. It is the purest distillation of a movement centered on theoretical left-wing evil, one that’s been constructed from various and varying elements in service of that narrative. Even the child-abuse aspect of it is downstream from willful misreadings of emails stolen from a Clinton campaign staffer that were published by WikiLeaks in 2016. Democrats are evil, therefore their seemingly anodyne words must somehow be hiding secret evil messages.

Democrats are evil, therefore even when a Democrat appears to be a victim of assault, that Democrat must actually be the one at fault. Democrats are evil, therefore the unsurprising loss of an unpopular president in an election must come down to Democrats stealing votes or sneakily boosting turnout or controlling social-media sites to influence the outcome.

This approach has obvious rewards. Right-wing filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza hoovered up money with the release of his film “2000 Mules” last year, a film utterly bereft of any evidence of wrongdoing. Fox News recognizes that just asking questions about things like the Pelosi attack is, one, what much of its audience wants to hear and, two, bolsters their long-standing Republicans-good-Democrats-bad theme. And, of course, there are myriad right-wing voices jockeying for the lucrative benefits of grabbing the right’s attention.

Even when a conspiracy theory is entirely uprooted, you see how the broader conspiracy theory — that Democrats are bad — simply redirects around it.
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2023 04:36 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Yes. That's the process and the "rationale". But let's add one further purposeful aspect to all this. Gaslighting. If you can fill up a significant portion of the media space with disinformation ("flood the zone with ****" - Steve Bannon) then you not only block the truth from being communicated, you are much more able to confuse poorly educated citizens and lead them towards angry cynicism and nihilism.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2023 05:08 pm
I've just seen a second video release - the charged man breaking into the Pelosi house using the hammer he also used in the assault as the police had described in the first hours after the assault.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2023 05:09 pm
Yes. That's the process and the "rationale". But let's add one further purposeful aspect to all this. Gaslighting. If you can fill up a significant portion of the media space with disinformation (“We’ll call it ‘Correct the Record’ haha! - David Brock) then you not only block the truth from being communicated, you are much more able to confuse poorly educated citizens and lead them towards angry cynicism and nihilism.
vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2023 05:35 pm
@Lash,
Educated people have the same fault - many form a view and then won't hear anything other than what agrees with those views - everyone else is wrong. It's their way of coping with an uncertain world...
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2023 09:00 pm
How is Fox covering the Tyre Nichols story, you might be wondering.
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Fox News guest blames Black single mothers for the killing of Tyre Nichols
01/27/23 9:11 PM EST

Tucker Carlson says white people are victims of “racial hatred” amid coverage of Tyre Nichols killing
01/27/23 8:53 PM EST

Fox News host Jesse Watters says Tyre Nichols was killed because “police tactics have been hamstrung”
01/27/23 8:00 PM EST

Fox News host demands representation of “the cops’ perspective” on the killing of Tyre Nichols
01/27/23 5:53 PM EST

MM
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2023 09:10 pm
My reading of the visible posts above suggest that someone is behaving after the release of the police body-cam footage exactly as we all predicted. Here are some antonyms of the word "integrity"...
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deceit
dishonesty
corruption
disgrace
dishonor
incompleteness
vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2023 09:47 pm
@blatham,
Having passed the age of 50, I have noticed that in the last 10 years or so, that more and more people don't want to admit they were wrong when they say something incorrect. Maybe I just didn't notice it when I was younger, but it does seem to be becoming more prevalent - this inability to openly admit making an error.

We are all wrong an inordinate amount of the time, because:
- no one can know everything (not even close to everything)
- no one can fully predict another person
- no one makes perfectly considered decisions on any kind of regular basis
- no one can predict the outcome of factors they don't know
and so on....

Because of the above, making errors should be an expectation, so why is it an issue at all to any of us, when we personally, are wrong? I don't quite comprehend why people can't admit errors, even very public but minor ones.

I put it down to an inability to cope with uncertainty (which exists in ever growing amounts all around us)....but in reality, I am just guessing at that.
NSFW (view)
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2023 12:17 am
Vikorr and snood
I suppose it's possible that the phenomenon we're speaking of is on a broad uptick but I don't know how we'd ever measure this. I'm sure we can all recall childhood and grade school experiences where some kids were always more prone to a reluctance to admit error. Further, history and literature are packed with such characters. Fear of looking "silly" or of losing social status are factors. Bullies, for another example, epitomize the behavior. Politicians and others involved in the political game are often hyper-sensitive to the prospect of looking foolish or of being found wrong. Dick Cheney operated under the maxims Never admit error - Never defend, always attack. Try to find any example of Ted Cruz or Rush Limbaugh ever admitting error. It seems a personality trait. And dishonesty always attends with such personalities. Also I think a deep affinity for authoritarianism attends as well with such individuals.

So, what if (for whatever set of reasons) a political movement arose which attracted such personalities and if that movement became viable and increasingly powerful and present within the culture, couldn't we predict that levels of dishonesty and instances of the absence of integrity would increase?
vikorr
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2023 01:11 am
@blatham,
Your last paragraph's question is fraught with pitfalls. There would have to be so many qualifiers and conditions that it would become an unusable 'answer'.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2023 06:20 am
Are you all familiar with the media personality Andrew Tate, and the kinds of ideas he’s been spreading?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2023 06:26 am
@snood,
There is a documentary coming out on Vice called "The Dangerous Rise of Andrew Tate."

I heard the film maker being interviwed on the radio. The documentary includes secret recordings Tate's victims made where they get him to admit raping them.

This was taken to the metropolitan police who did nothing.

The film maker has also received numerous death threats from Tate's supporters.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2023 07:02 am
On a lighter note.

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The Associated Press Stylebook, considered one of the most reliable guides to correct use of the English language for journalists, has apologised after producing a list of terms it thought could be dehumanising that included “the French”.


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/jan/28/ap-issues-clarification-over-its-advice-not-to-use-term-the-french
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2023 07:15 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

There is a documentary coming out on Vice called "The Dangerous Rise of Andrew Tate."

I heard the film maker being interviwed on the radio. The documentary includes secret recordings Tate's victims made where they get him to admit raping them.

This was taken to the metropolitan police who did nothing.

The film maker has also received numerous death threats from Tate's supporters.


I think he represents an ugly undercurrent in the culture - one of the byproducts of the elevation of figures like Trump to the status of exemplary masculinity. Tate’s attitudes toward women; his “teachings” - are very popular with the angry white makes, the incels, the white supremacists, the ammosexuals. His media groupies call him “Top G”, and “Alpha #1”. It’s all quite bizarre and sad.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2023 08:04 am
@snood,
The radio programme was all about him with a few commentators.

One was a psychology professor who said Tate was a symptom, not the cause.

Young men are more likely to go to jail and drop out of further education than women. The phrase toxic masculinity gets about ten times as many results as masculinity.

In short the problem is a lack of positive male role models which is why Tate with his risky macho take on life is getting so much traction.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2023 08:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Great article, straight up explanation for these political times.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2023 08:34 am
@vikorr,
Quote:
Your last paragraph's question is fraught with pitfalls. There would have to be so many qualifiers and conditions that it would become an unusable 'answer'.

That paragraph was...
Quote:
So, what if (for whatever set of reasons) a political movement arose which attracted such personalities and if that movement became viable and increasingly powerful and present within the culture, couldn't we predict that levels of dishonesty and instances of the absence of integrity would increase?

I don't really understand your objection. You initially suggested (1) that to your mind, there has perhaps been an increase in the number of folks who can't admit error and (2) that a possible cause was an inability to cope with increasing uncertainty. And it's possible that you are correct on both. But your account is rather free of any specifics and of any description of how this is playing out in our culture. And it is when we try, through study and thought, to discern answers to those questions that we inevitably bump into significant complexities and must advance tentative hypotheses to detail what's going on and what has gone on.

For example: it is unquestionable that Rush Limbaugh's radio show changed political culture in America. It's equally unquestionable that Rupert Murdoch has done the same. It's also unquestionable that the influence of both has resulted in a degradation of that culture. Similarly, we can say with certainty (and many historians of US politics have said) that New Gingrich's rise in influence marked a period (which we are still living in) where Congress became far less a contemplative body with understood duties of governance and far more a battlefield of us against them.

Sure, all of this (and I could go on to add much more of the sort) is fraught with pitfalls. Any subject this complex is going to be so fraught. But it's not like such studies/hypotheses are unprecedented. Have you ever read passages from Hannah Arendt's The Origins of Totalitarianism or any of Rick Perlstein's series on modern Conservatism or Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich?
blatham
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2023 08:58 am
Winner of today's No ****, Sherlock! award...
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The brutal, politically motivated attack on Nancy Pelosi’s husband, explained
Footage and audio reveals new details about the attack, which is the culmination of Republicans’ years-long efforts to make Nancy Pelosi out to be a public enemy.
HERE
 

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