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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 01:46 pm
@Mame,
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Can I ask how it's possible that you have no problem with transgendered people using a washroom of their choice but you think drag shows are out of line? Have you ever been to a LGBTQ protest? They've been televised many times. If a child can watch that, how are drag shows any different?


I think children participating in drag shows are inappropriate. For the reason I already stated.

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Simply because I feel it sexualizes children and exposes them to needless risk. I feel the exact same way with young children in conventional beauty pageants, the way they have young girls dress up like women with sexy clothes. I just feel it is inappropriate and risky for children from predators of all sexual orientation. This is an issue I feel strongly about.


For me personally, the drag shows it is more of a safety issue from predators of all sexual orientation than a moral issue.
Mame
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 01:56 pm
@revelette1,
Yes, you said that before, but how does attending or watching a transgender event sexualize children? We're not talking about children actually participating in drag shows; merely attending one.

Don't you think it's healthier for all concerned to be in the know about all the various options so when and if a child does feel different to the 'norm', he/she knows it's common practice and nothing to be ashamed or afraid of?

When my children were younger (4 and 10), we lived next door to a gay couple for 9 years. One of my BILs was gay, as well, and we had parties with them all the time. I think the experiences normalized it for my kids, as it should be.

I also have a nephew who must be about 12 now; he played with dolls, dressed up, wore wigs and makeup, danced and sang, etc., with his slightly older sister. He has recently told us he's gay. I worry a little about the kids at school making fun of him (he's in a backwoods rural area) but I wouldn't worry if those kids thought it was normal and acceptable because it is.
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 02:22 pm
The following two tweets from our new favorite pathological liar...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlKjYzHagAAciXU?format=png&name=small

Gained this delightful response...

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Dan Savage @fakedansavage
2h
To lose your mother on 9/11 may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose her again on 12/23 looks like carelessness.
Mame
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 02:31 pm
@blatham,
That IS a funny response Smile

How can some people be so gullible?
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 02:42 pm
@Mame,
Quote:
@revelette1,
Yes, you said that before, but how does attending or watching a transgender event sexualize children? We're not talking about children actually participating in drag shows; merely attending one.

Yes. And further, rev seems to have the idea that such shows - where children are welcomed - portray sexual themes or activities but my understanding is that this is not at all the case. These all seem to be theatrical performances with song and/or dance. It seems obvious that if sexual matters were portrayed, no parents would be bringing their children.

So, if I have this right, it's not really a child safety issue at all but is just another in the long line of rightwing culture war anti-gay scare tactics.
revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 02:44 pm
@Mame,
If they're not participating in drag shows, I have no problem with children attending. I have friends and relatives (one I am really close to) who are gay. I don't know any transgender people or gender. My sister always dressed slightly boyish (stylish) if she could have gotten away with it when younger, she does now and she looks nice. She is gay, we've been close all our lives. She never wanted to play with dolls unless she was setting the house up for our adventure people dolls or barbie dolls. Used to drive me crazy, about the time it was time to play, she would lose interest.

There is a funny story which kind of illustrates what you are talking about. There is only 13 months differences in our ages, so like I said, we were close. We didn't fight, but she took on a protective role over me. Anyway, my mom would make our clothes, she would make them just alike, me, I didn't really pay attention. But I found out years later it would really bother my sister.

Once, my mom made us long white dresses with lace around the collar. She put them on the line to dry and they froze solid. My sister said she was never so happy in her life when she saw those dresses stiff and frozen. So yes, I know what you are talking about. However, as far as I know, my sister is perfectly happy being identified as female, she just dresses more conservative preppy than I do.

I think the kids are way more tolerant than kids of the past generation, even just the previous one.

Perhaps I should think some about the gender/kids issue. However, I am personally ready to drop it of you all are. Thanks for the discussion. Interesting topic.
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 02:50 pm
@Mame,
Quote:
How can some people be so gullible?

Now there's a question. Not paying close attention. Not doing research. Tribal blindness. The charisma of con men/women. Etc.

But even the press (in almost all cases) missed it as did the Dem party people who ought to have dug in on the fellow's claims and past. He wasn't high profile at all which accounts for some of this absence of scrutiny.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 02:52 pm
@revelette1,
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Perhaps I should think some about the gender/kids issue. However, I am personally ready to drop it of you all are. Thanks for the discussion. Interesting topic.

Of course.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 02:52 pm
@blatham,
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So, if I have this right, it's not really a child safety issue at all but is just another in the long line of rightwing culture war anti-gay scare tactics.


In my opinion, you don't have it right. I have watched drag shows on reality TV, it is sexualized. I also feel the same about conventional child beauty pageants, as I already explained. If they are dressed appropriately, and they sing and dance appropriately, it would be fine.
snood
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 03:36 pm
I don't know if it was Revelette or Mame who raised concerns here about children being indoctrinated into, or being allowed to make very premature choices related to, decisions involving their gender orientation.

But I just thought it might be useful for everyone to view the interview Jon Stewart did with the Attorney General of Arkansas. She had passed a state ban on "gender affirming care" - for all the scary reasons that someone raised here: It's grooming them into a gay/trans lifestyle, or it's sexualizing kids too early, or it's forcibly injecting them with gender-modifying hormones because of some extreme leftist agenda.

Stewart makes the case that the gender-affirming care is not a gestapo tactic of indoctrinating kids. It's a coordinated effort between parents, doctors, psychologists, endocrinologists and other people who are responding to things that the child is bringing up to the parents. The children are not getting forced into anything, but given support and guidance so that they can find out who they legitimately are.

I am just putting here the 6 minute or so interview. It's very good. But if you haven's seen the entire show it's excerpted from, you might want to check it out. It has parents who were dealing with children coming to them and saying they want to be the opposite sex. It's handled very thoughtfully.

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Mame
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 07:13 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
@revelette1,
Yes, you said that before, but how does attending or watching a transgender event sexualize children? We're not talking about children actually participating in drag shows; merely attending one.

Yes. And further, rev seems to have the idea that such shows - where children are welcomed - portray sexual themes or activities but my understanding is that this is not at all the case. These all seem to be theatrical performances with song and/or dance. It seems obvious that if sexual matters were portrayed, no parents would be bringing their children.

So, if I have this right, it's not really a child safety issue at all but is just another in the long line of rightwing culture war anti-gay scare tactics.


You have it exactly. I lived in the West End of Vancouver and attended many drag events over several years - brunches, lunches, dinners, dances - nothing 'sexualized' at all or even against straights. Just people being people. And what is wrong with that? The first drag show I saw was of The Supremes (almost 50 years ago). I never knew they weren't women (I was just an ignorant teenager) and loved the show. When I found out, I was surprised but entertained. They're as lovely as anyone else.
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 07:18 pm
@revelette1,
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I have watched drag shows on reality TV, it is sexualized.

On reality tv? Of course that will be sexualized. Were there children in the audience?


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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2022 07:31 pm
@Mame,
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I lived in the West End of Vancouver

I didn't know that. Me too. We were at the corner of Denman and Comox in one of the few remaining 1900-era houses. There were a series of restaurants below and a coffee shop. We had that place from 1985 until 2005 then I moved to Manhattan and my daughter had it another two years. Do you know the house I'm referring to?

As you know, the pride parade passed right below our house each year and we always had friends over for the extravaganza. About a year before I moved, I decided I ought to return the fun that the parade participants had always given us. A made a big paper mache bum along with a long handle and a mickey mouse hand that I rigged up with a rope over a tree branch so I could pull/release so as to spank the bum. That's me on the left, a bunch of friends (gay and straight) and that's my daughter in the blue top.

https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/321780538_716941913074304_5860024074941798287_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=1yM7V2mCoPAAX8c-YG1&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=00_AfBo0KCuvpCgHKGb6JWGz8Ma163c0v4dUjECRDr2nZRbbw&oe=63B3AC0C
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2022 04:40 am
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Today, President Joe Biden signed into law the bipartisan year-end omnibus funding bill passed by the House and the Senate before lawmakers left town.

The $1.7 trillion measure addresses key goals of both parties. It funds the military and domestic programs. It funds public health and science, invests in law enforcement, and funds programs to prevent violence against women. It funds veterans’ services, and it provides assistance to Ukraine in its struggle to protect itself against Russia’s invasion. It updates the Electoral Count Act to prevent a president from trying to overturn a presidential election, as former president Trump did.

Biden said, “This bill is further proof that Republicans and Democrats can come together to deliver for the American people, and I’m looking forward to continued bipartisan progress in the year ahead.”

But on his social media platform, Trump took a stand against the bill that funds the government. “Something is going on with [Senate minority leader] Mitch McConnell [(R-KY)] and all of the terribly and virtually automatic ‘surrenders’ he makes to the Marxist Democrats, like on the $1.7 Trillion ‘Ominous’ Bill,” Trump wrote. “Could have killed it using the Debt Ceiling, or made it MUCH better in the Republican House. Nobody can be this stupid.” Then he went on to blame the deal on McConnell’s wife, Trump’s own Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, using a racist slur.

This exchange reveals the dynamic dominating political leadership at the end of 2022. Biden and the Democrats are trying to show that the government can produce popular results for the American people. They are joined in that effort by Republicans who recognize that, for all their talk about liberty, their constituents want to see the government address their concerns. Together, they have passed the omnibus bill, as well as the CHIPS and Science Act, the bipartisan infrastructure law, and gun safety legislation.

This cooperation to pass popular legislation is an important shift in American politics.

But Trump and his cronies remain determined to return to power, apparently either to stop this federal action Trump incorrectly calls “Marxism” or, in the case of extremist Republicans, to use the government not to provide a basic social safety net, regulate business, promote infrastructure, or protect civil rights—as it has done since 1933—but instead to enforce right-wing religious values on the country. They reject the small-government economic focus of the Reagan Republicans in favor of using a strong government to enforce religion.

The determination of Trump and his team to dominate the government, and through it the country, has been illustrated powerfully once again today with the release of more transcripts from testimony before the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol. Former White House director of strategic communications Alyssa Griffin recalled how Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, dismissed the idea that the Trump administration should coordinate with the incoming Biden officials over the coronavirus pandemic. “It was the first COVID... meeting that Jared led after [Biden won],” Griffin recalled, “& Dr. Birx... said, "Well, should we be looping the Biden transition into these conversations?" & Jared just said, ‘Absolutely not.’”

Similarly, in an extraordinarily petty exchange, the chief of staff to former first lady Melania Trump, Stefanie Grisham, recalled that Trump wanted to fire the chief White House usher, Tim Harleth, for being in contact with the Biden team about the presidential transition. (Secret Service agents told Trump about the contact, raising more questions about the role of the agents around Trump.) Melania Trump stopped the firing out of concern for the stories Harleth could tell about the Trump family, but he was let go just before Biden’s inauguration, leaving the Biden’s standing before the closed doors of the White House for an awkwardly long time when they entered for the first time.

This determination of far-right Republicans to bend the country to their will presents a problem for the Republican Party. Establishment Republicans came around to backing Trump in 2017 after he promised them lower taxes and less regulation, the goals they had embraced since the presidency of Ronald Reagan.

But Trump managed to stay in power by feeding the reactionaries in the party: those who reject the idea of American equality. Trump’s base is fiercely opposed to immigration and against the rights of LGBTQ Americans, while also in favor of curtailing the rights of women and minorities. Rejecting the equality at the heart of liberal democracy, many of them hope to enforce religious rules on the rest of the country and admire Russian president Vladimir Putin and Hungarian leader Viktor Orbán for replacing democracy with what Orbán has called “Christian democracy,” or “illiberal democracy” that enforces patriarchal heterosexual hierarchies. As Trump encouraged them to, many of them reject as “fraudulent” any elections that do not put their candidates in power.

Now, as Republican establishment leaders recognize that Trump’s star is fading and his legal troubles seem likely to get worse—his tax returns will be released tomorrow, among other things—they seem eager to cut Trump loose to resurrect their anti-tax, anti-regulation policies. But those Americans who reject democracy and want a strong government to enforce their values are fighting for control of the Republican Party.

The far right has turned against Republican National Committee chair Ronna McDaniel, whom Trump hand-picked and who helped arrange the false electors in 2020. Trump loyalist Mike Lindell, the pillow magnate, is challenging McDaniel. Of more concern to her is the challenge of Harmeet Dhillon, a prominent election denier who has provided legal counsel for Trump in his struggles against the January 6th committee, calling it “a purely political witch-hunt, total abuse of process & power serving no legitimate legislative purpose.” Orbán supporter and Fox News Channel personality Tucker Carlson and Turning Points USA founder Charlie Kirk are backing Dhillon.

Kirk, who is a prodigious fundraiser, has warned the RNC that the party must listen “to the grassroots, our donors, and the biggest organizations and voices in the conservative movement” or it would lose in 2024. “If ignored, we will have the most stunted and muted Republican Party in the history of the conservative movement, the likes of which we haven’t seen in generations.”

The far right is also challenging the bid of House minority leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) for House speaker, creating such havoc that today former Republican representative, senator, and secretary of defense William S. Cohen and former congressional staff director and presidential senior fellow emeritus at the Council on Foreign Relations Alton Frye published an op-ed in the New York Times warning that “the Republican caucus is dominated by campaigns and commitments that gravely encumber efforts to define common ground in the political center.” They urged House members to recruit a moderate speaker from outside the chamber and to “fortify those Republicans who seek to move the party beyond the corrosive Trump era.”

They called for a secret ballot, so Republican members won't have to fear retaliation.

Cohen and Frye suggested that organization of the House by an outsider would allow for “meaningful coalition building,” but the Republicans about to take control of the House have so far indicated only that they intend to investigate the Biden administration before the 2024 election, a throwback to the methods party leaders have used since 1994 to win elections by portraying the Democrats as corrupt.

Representatives James Comer (R-KY) and Jim Jordan (R-OH), who are expected to take over the House Oversight Committee and the House Judiciary Committee, respectively, have already demanded records from the White House. When White House Special Counsel Richard Sauber said the White House would respond to those committees after the Republicans were in charge of them—a position administrations have as taken since the 1980s—Comer and Jordan took to social media today to complain that “at every turn the Biden White House seeks to obstruct congressional oversight and hide information from the American people.” (Jordan, of course, refused to respond to a subpoena from the January 6th committee.)

The year 2022 has seen an important split in the Republican Party. The party’s response to voters’ dislike appears to be either to reject democracy altogether or to double down on the old rhetoric that has worked in the past, although you have to wonder if they have gone to that well so many times it’s drying up.

In the meantime, the Democrats have worked with willing Republicans to demonstrate that lawmakers in a democracy really can accomplish big things for the American people, and for the world.

Which vision will win out will be a key political story of 2023.

hcr
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2022 06:27 am

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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2022 07:24 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:


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I lived in the West End of Vancouver

I didn't know that. Me too. We were at the corner of Denman and Comox in one of the few remaining 1900-era houses. There were a series of restaurants below and a coffee shop. We had that place from 1985 until 2005 then I moved to Manhattan and my daughter had it another two years. Do you know the house I'm referring to?

As you know, the pride parade passed right below our house each year and we always had friends over for the extravaganza. About a year before I moved, I decided I ought to return the fun that the parade participants had always given us. A made a big paper mache bum along with a long handle and a mickey mouse hand that I rigged up with a rope over a tree branch so I could pull/release so as to spank the bum. That's me on the left, a bunch of friends (gay and straight) and that's my daughter in the blue top.

https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/321780538_716941913074304_5860024074941798287_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=1yM7V2mCoPAAX8c-YG1&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=00_AfBo0KCuvpCgHKGb6JWGz8Ma163c0v4dUjECRDr2nZRbbw&oe=63B3AC0C


That "Vancouver" comment of Mame's surprised the hell out of me. I wondered how come it had never been mentioned. Now I see that you did not know.

Small world!

Have you seen that Jonathan is back posting? Hope he sticks around.
Mame
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2022 07:41 am
@blatham,
I can't say I do remember that house, but it looks familiar. That was near the Sylvia Hotel, wasn't it? You were at the other end - I was around the corner from St. Paul's on Pacific at Burrard. Loved living down there - you could walk everywhere and see all kinds of crazy things Smile
Mame
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2022 07:43 am
@Frank Apisa,
Hope springs eternal, Frank. At least you can see him in NY. I'll have to chase him up.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2022 08:45 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Have you seen that Jonathan is back posting? Hope he sticks around.
I had not seen that. I'm very pleased. Damned nice fellow.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2022 08:46 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Have you seen that Jonathan is back posting? Hope he sticks around.
I had not seen that. I'm very pleased. Damned nice fellow.


Well I wouldn't go that far.

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