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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2022 02:40 pm
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2022 04:38 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Great!
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Builder
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2022 02:51 am
@Lash,
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Monitoring Biden. Part 4


Notice how the bean counters here are ignoring the facts you're providing, Lash?

They not only don't want to know the truth, but are quite happy singing Lalalalalalalalala, I can't hear you.

hightor
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2022 03:35 am
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Today the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol held its final public hearing. 

It reviewed the material establishing how former president Donald Trump planned even before the 2020 election to declare he had won even if he actually lost, and how he executed that plan. It then laid out how he maintained he had won even as his own lawyers and campaign advisors repeatedly assured him that the conspiracy theories on which he was relying were false. It showed how he contested Democratic candidate Joe Biden’s victories in court—losing 61 times—and then pressured state governments to “find” the votes he needed to win.

When those attempts to hand him the election all failed, he turned to trying to steal the election through pressuring state officials to create false slates of electors that chose him, rather than Biden, and then pressured the Department of Justice to get states to turn to those electors by alleging—falsely—that the department thought the election was fraudulent (its leaders had said repeatedly, in no uncertain terms, that the election was not fraudulent). When Justice Department leaders refused, he tried to put a loyalist, Jeffrey Clark, at the head of the department to do as he wished. He was stopped only when the department leaders threatened to resign as a group.

That left him with a plan hatched by right-wing lawyer John Eastman. The plan hinged on the outrageous idea that the vice president, in his capacity as the person to oversee the counting of electoral ballots, could decide not to count the legitimate ballots for which Trump loyalists had submitted competing ballots, enabling him single-handedly to throw the election to Trump over the wishes of the American voters. 

Eastman himself admitted this plan was illegal.

And yet it was Trump’s last hope to look like he was playing by the rules. When Trump’s vice president, Mike Pence, refused to participate in the scheme, Trump went to his final card—his trump card, if you’ll forgive me—his base. 

Exactly two years ago today, on December 19, 2020, when it became clear that his campaign lawyers had lost their legal challenges and the real electors had filed their electoral slates, Trump tweeted to his supporters to urge them to come to Washington, D.C., on January 6, the day those electoral votes would be counted and confirm Biden’s election to the White House. Falsely claiming what he knew to be untrue, that it was statistically impossible for him to have lost the election, he told his supporters: “Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild.” 

The right-wing militias he had courted since the Charlottesville, Virginia, Unite the Right rally of August 2017 heard the message. Immediately, they interpreted his tweet as an order to come to Washington to keep him in office, with violence if necessary, and they planned accordingly. Trump appears to have seen their potential violence as a final way to force Pence to do as he wished. When the vice president continued to refuse, Trump whipped up the crowd against his vice president and sent them toward the Capitol, where both houses of Congress and the vice president were all, in an exceedingly rare occurrence, together. 

For 187 minutes, as his supporters stormed the Capitol, Trump watched the chaos on television and did nothing to stop it, communicating only with those continuing to try to stop the counting of the electoral votes. Only when troops had been mobilized and it was clear the insurrection would not succeed did he tell his people that he loved them and they should go home. They promptly did, underscoring that he could have called them off whenever he wished. 

He expressed no concern for those under siege that day, and he did nothing to stop the rioters. 

After outlining the former president’s attempt to stay in power against the wishes of the American people, overturning the very foundation of our democracy, the committee members voted to refer Trump to the Department of Justice for criminal prosecution for violating at least four laws:  

The first law the committee says Trump broke was that he obstructed an official proceeding. Trump tried corruptly to stop the joint session of Congress counting electoral votes in a bunch of different ways, from gathering false electors, to trying to send a letter to state legislators from the Department of Justice lying that the department thought the election was suspect, to spurring on a mob. Under this charge, the committee also referred lawyer John Eastman “and certain other Trump associates.” 

It noted that “multiple Republican Members of Congress, including Representative Scott Perry, likely have material facts regarding President Trump’s plans to overturn the election. For example, many Members of Congress attended a White House meeting on December 21, 2020, in which the plan to have the Vice President affect the outcome of the election was disclosed and discussed. Evidence indicates that certain of those Members unsuccessfully sought Presidential pardons from President Trump after January 6th…revealing their own clear consciousness of guilt.”

The second law Trump broke was conspiring to defraud the United States, in this case by stealing the election. Other conspirators the committee suggests the department should look at include Trump lawyers Kenneth Chesebro and Rudolph Giuliani, and Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows.

The third was conspiracy to make a false statement, which the committee said described the false elector scheme. This conspiracy, too, might involve others, including Republican National Committee chair Ronna McDaniel, who agreed to help Trump with the project. 

The fourth law the committee says Trump broke was that he “Incited,” “Assisted,” or provided “Aid and Comfort” to an insurrection. 

The committee suggested that this list was not exhaustive and that there might be other laws the former president has broken. Those included obstruction of justice, as the committee revealed that some of its witnesses suggested Trump loyalists had attempted to affect their testimony. The referrals create no legal obligation for the Justice Department to act but, along with the evidence the committee has compiled, will make it important for the department to explain why it disagrees that crimes have been committed if it decides not to charge the former president.

The committee also referred four members of the House to the House Ethics Committee for ignoring the committee’s subpoenas: Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA), Jim Jordan (R-OH), Scott Perry (R-PA), and Andy Biggs (R-AZ). The incoming Republican House will likely ignore this referral, but that will make it hard for its members to enforce subpoenas themselves.

Along with the hearing, the committee released an introduction to its forthcoming report. At only 104 pages, the report is worth reading: it’s very clear and very fast paced, reading more like a 1940s thriller than a government report. And like an old-time novel, it has in it some eye-popping facts just waiting for more development. 

Trump raised “raised roughly one quarter of a billion dollars…between the election and January 6th” by falsely claiming election fraud. The “Trump Campaign, along with the Republican National Committee, sent millions of emails to their supporters, with messaging claiming that the election was ‘rigged,’ that their donations could stop Democrats from ‘trying to steal the election,’ and that Vice President Biden would be an ‘illegitimate president’ if he took office.” That’s a lot of money raised fraudulently, and the RNC was involved. The RNC shows up again when chair McDaniel agrees to help Trump with the fake elector scheme.

The committee establishes that Trump fully intended to go with his supporters to the Capitol. This is a very big deal indeed: the president traditionally cannot go to the chambers of Congress without a formal invitation. Trump confidant Rudy Giuliani told Cassidy Hutchinson, top aide to Mark Meadows, that Trump intended to be with the members of Congress and to “look powerful.” A White House security official said, “[W]e were all in a state of shock…we all knew what that implicated and what that meant, that this was no longer a rally, that this was going to move to something else…. I—I don’t know if you want to use the word “insurrection,” “coup,” whatever.”

The committee generously attributes this plan to be part of Trump’s hope to pressure Pence, but historian of authoritarians Ruth Ben-Ghiat noted that a leader launching a new regime needs to be present at the front of his cheering troops to mark his success.  

Fittingly, on December 15, the Coup d’État Project of theCline Center for Advanced Social Research at the University of Illinois, which maintains the world’s largest registry of coups, attempted coups, and coup conspiracies since World War II, reclassified the events of January 6 as an attempted “auto-coup.” According to its director, Scott Althaus, an auto-coup occurs when “the incumbent chief executive uses illegal or extra-legal means to assume extraordinary powers, seize the power of other branches of government, or render powerless other components of the government such as the legislature or judiciary.”

hcr
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2022 06:54 am
@snood,
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So whadya think Blatham old bean…
After these referrals - is a Trump indictment more likely, less likely, or no effect at all?

I don't really know enough about the operations of the DOJ to give a worthwhile opinion. And even those who do have varying opinions. But I think I can say a couple of things.

First, quite outside of indictments, I think it is highly probable that the Jan 6 committee's work had a significant effect on the midterm elections. That in itself is very important.

Second, the immense amount of work the committee did in gathering and collating evidence seems, to me at least, invaluable in aiding the DOJ to mount a formidable legal case against Trump and those around him who played key roles in the insurrection.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2022 10:00 am
When it comes to indictments, the news media, talking heads, are missing the big picture.

https://democraticunderground.com/100217481083

Most everyone is talking about Trump and the criminal referrals. They are asking, will the DOJ take up the criminal referrals, etc.

What they are missing is this. The coup plotters around Trump are a special kind of stupid. People like Eastman, Rudy, Meadows, Clark, Powell, Stone, Flynn, Navarro, are in deep ****. People like Navarro admitted to the coup attempt on TV. The evidence against people like Eastman and Rudy is overwhelming. The chances of these idiots being charged with multiple conspiracies, felonies, is extremely high.

When this happens it is going to change everything. It will be historic and their indictments, trials, will snowball. All of their indictments, trials, will point directly to Trump.

There's also the case of the fake electors. Many of them committed fraud. They signed their names to a forged document, sent it to congress. I see plea deals being made. They will talk. Rudy and Eastman were in charge of the fake elector conspiracy.

We are going to witness the trials of the coup plotters, I have no doubt. It will change everything.

As far as Trump is concerned, let's see what happens in the Georgia and the secret document investigation. Both of those investigations are near the end.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2022 10:41 am
@Builder,
I expected that. They’re following the example of their leaders. ‘Nothing burger’ Pretend like it didn’t happen—maybe it’ll go away. They own enough media that it seems plausible. You see their media is avoiding it.

But, you can take this event and easily compare it to Clinton’s unexpected loss to Trump. Even though polls and media worked hard to follow the Clinton campaign’s plan—elevate Trump, then destroy him with an October surprise—they vastly underestimated how much the public could see the game being played, underestimated how much the general public hated her, how much they reviled Clinton and democrats for NAFTA, and how thrilled they were to throw a grenade off any caliber (Trump) into the Democrat/msm/FBI/CIA machine.

Downvotes and looking the other way won’t save the DNC or their corrupt cheer squad from what’s coming.

The Biden family crimes makes the Trumps look like school kids.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2022 10:51 am
Trump Special Prosecutor Has a History of Indicting Presidents

Jack Smith, the special prosecutor in charge of deciding whether to prosecute Donald Trump, has experience going after former presidents.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-special-prosecutor-jack-smith-has-a-history-of-indicting-presidents

Witnesses had lost hope and disappeared. Criminal suspect No. 1 had become president. And the long-awaited indictment now seemed unreachable. Then, American prosecutor Jack Smith came along and took charge, sending his investigators on an aggressive mission to win back reluctant witnesses—by targeting the tight-lipped politicians and militant nationalists who had kept them silent.

The story may sound familiar, if not a bit like resistance fan-fiction. But this story is actually about Smith’s efforts in Kosovo, a small country in southeastern Europe that was historically an Albanian enclave in Serbia. It was difficult every step of the way. Smith had to defend his work from widespread accusations that he was conducting an unfair political prosecution to remove the nation’s favorite leader. And the narrative was that cooperators are traitors—and that these lawyers like Smith were trying to destroy the country.

It may prove to be an invaluable experience. Since the U.S. Department of Justice appointed Smith as the trusted special counsel investigating former President Donald Trump last month, there have been dozens of news profiles focusing on his time as a domestic prosecutor investigating public corruption. Several have even incorrectly identified the international court he served on. But this is the first sweeping look at what exactly he accomplished while on a special assignment abroad in Europe, where he took down Kosovo’s sitting president—and gained the credentials to target an American one.

“It’s not like this is his first rodeo,” said David Schwendiman, who led the Kosovo investigation until Smith took over. “It has huge political consequences. It takes bravery. Jack’s got to decide whether he’s going to indict a former president of the United States. But he did the same thing when it came to Hashim Thaçi.” Kosovo’s now ex-president remains trapped inside a jail in the Dutch city of The Hague. Understanding how he got there helps contextualize Smith’s legacy at the controversial international prosecutor’s office he led until last month—and his ability to face Trump now.

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2022 12:07 pm
@snood,
I read this in The Guardian today, I think it summarises a lot of what you've been saying.

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Thus far, Merrick Garland’s Department of Justice has been exceedingly slow and unwilling to pursue charges against Trump, an intransigence in the face of mounting evidence that has come to seem less like caution than like cowardice.


Trump might look done, but we shouldn’t count him – or those he inspired – out
Moira Donegan

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2022/dec/20/trump-january-6-committee-republicans-trumpism
snood
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2022 12:51 pm
@izzythepush,
Yeah, ugh. I want to feel hopeful but can’t quite bring myself to.😔
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2022 01:24 pm
@snood,
I am worried about an excess of wishful thinking.

Nothing concrete yet, everything is procedural.

It may be moving in the right direction, but it feels like jam tomorrow.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2022 03:41 pm
Watergate prosecutor: Trump will be indicted -- and not just by the feds

On CNN Tuesday morning, former Watergate prosecutor Nick Akerman summed up the evidence the House January 6 Committee holds that incriminates former President Donald Trump — and predicted he would soon be facing criminal prosecution from multiple fronts.

This comes after the committee voted to criminally refer the former president to the Justice Department on four different charges, including conspiracy to aid an insurrection.

"Obviously, historical perspective here ... I wonder what you thought of the final public hearing yesterday?" asked anchor Kaitlan Collins.

"I thought it was an excellent summation of the evidence that they've come up with over the last year," said Akerman. "They really dug into this deeply. They put together each of these schemes, all of the same objections in the end, which was to stop the lawful transfer of power. They showed through video clips. They showed, through other testimony, basically proof that Donald Trump was behind each and every one of those schemes. This was not something that we saw with the Senate Select Committee of Watergate. That was an investigation that started right from the get-go. They didn't really know what was there until they got testimony from witnesses. It was an investigation that unfolded in front of the public. But here you had a committee that was unified in terms of what it was doing. There were not any obstructionists on this committee. They put it together very succinctly. Put it together in an organized way, and I think the public really knows what the proof is and what they have found over the course of time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/watergate-prosecutor-trump-will-be-indicted-and-not-just-by-the-feds/ar-AA15uiA0
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2022 05:05 pm
Live Updates: House Committee Meets Privately About Releasing Trump’s Taxes

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/12/20/us/trump-taxes-news

The former president, who rejected modern tradition by keeping his returns private, fought the committee for almost four years. Democrats said they needed Mr. Trump’s records from 2015 to 2020 to assess an I.R.S. program that audits presidents.

A committee will decide whether the former president’s returns are released publicly.

The House Ways and Means Committee is expected to vote this afternoon on whether to publicly release the tax returns of former President Donald J. Trump, who kept his finances confidential during his campaign and while in office, in defiance of modern tradition. House Democrats and Mr. Trump engaged in a yearslong battle over the records that finally ended last month when the Supreme Court declined to block their release.

Here’s what to know:

Almost immediately after Representative Richard E. Neal, the committee chairman, began the hearing at 3 p.m., the committee went into a closed session to debate the public release of Mr. Trump’s tax documents, so it could be hours before there’s a vote. And then it could take some time after that for anything to be released.

Democrats have said they needed Mr. Trump’s records from 2015 to 2020 to assess an I.R.S. program that audits presidents. Republicans have insisted that rationale was a pretext for a politically motivated fishing expedition. Even before the hearing, committee Republicans made their view clear, holding a news conference in front of a bright red sign that read, “Dangerous new political weapon.”

While the public release of the documents would provide the most up-to-date information about Mr. Trump’s finances, much is already known. The New York Times in 2020 released findings of an investigation into Mr. Trump’s tax-return data covering more than two decades. He paid no federal income taxes in 11 of 18 years that The Times examined; he also reduced his tax bill with questionable measures, including a $72.9 million tax refund that, as of 2020, was the subject of an I.R.S. audit.

Prosecutors in New York had already obtained access to some Trump-related tax data, and his family business has been the subject of multiple investigations. The Trump Organization was convicted of a tax fraud scheme this month in a case brought by Manhattan prosecutors, and the New York attorney general has sued Mr. Trump and three of his children, accusing them of lying to lenders and insurers by fraudulently overvaluing his assets.
Lash
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2022 05:14 pm
Release all their taxes. Release all their stock trading information. Release all their pre-Congress worth—and their worth now.
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Builder
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2022 06:34 pm
@Lash,
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The Biden family crimes makes the Trumps look like school kids.


And Pelosi's clan. Lengthy history there, and her boy is definitely up there (down there>?) with Hunter.
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2022 08:32 pm
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Democratic-led House Ways and Means Committee votes to release Trump’s taxes to the public

..........the culmination of a years-long quest from House Democrats to obtain the former president’s taxes.

The panel approved a motion on a party-line vote to release the materials to the House, clearing the way for Trump’s tax returns to be released publicly within a matter of days. The vote was approved with all Democrats voting in favor and all Republicans voting no.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/politics/house-trump-tax-returns/index.html<br />
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2022 06:56 am
From a remarkable photographic series of subway riders in New York by Chris Maliwat published today in the Guardian UK

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/8c8b30ec2936e5c4d24be3c0a89094c9cf146ffa/0_0_3324_3324/master/3324.jpg?width=880&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=2fde63bdeb012f30083a37de2eb802bf
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2022 09:36 am
For four years we were round and round about Trump releasing his tax records. And for four years he was allowed to brush off all questions with “My tax returns are being audited and I’ll release them as soon as the audit is complete.”

So… now, shocker of shockers - we discover that Trump was lying. The IRS was not conducting an audit all that time.

One question among many that I have is, in all these years why couldn’t the IRS just dispel the lie that they were conducting this long, thorough audit? I have an idea why, and it sickens me.

tsarstepan
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2022 10:17 am
@snood,
And now for something completely different ...

and yet, not surprising. Especially regarding the lack of integrity and outright fraud that is synonymous with the Republican Party.

Incoming NY Rep. George Santos Faces Louder Calls to Resign After Reported Resumé Lies
snood
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2022 10:33 am
@tsarstepan,
That Santos guy? His resume was ever more false than Hershel Walker’s. He lied about EVERYTHING. Where he went to school, where he worked, his experience…
 

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